Wyhe Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Let's change the topic to how sad communism is.Thanks to Pikachu, that I think of doing this here discussion. So discuss about these 2 political concepts that have been at loggerheads ever since after WWII & still on-going... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman The Master Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Democracy a system in which a government needs to take a vote on anything be it on war or to fix a pothole out side of a guys house. the economy goes up and down its not that stable... if the representatives get corrupt well its useless. Communism a social base government in which the little guys come first(that's what its sapost to be like.) basically its a workers union, the workers take down what ever government they have and give an equal share to everyone at the start. but as time goes on the guys at the top they get richer and richer in till the Communism republic turns it to a dictatorship. the Economy system is well flat out stable(unless it goes belly up like the USSR). in reality the both suck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Lord Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Communisim makes a funk of everything. It really messed up Russia and the east of Germany after WW2. "Let's be fair, alot of theories didn't work out.""yeah, like communisim."--Paul Merton = Legend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyhe Posted January 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Communism a social base government in which the little guys come first(that's what its sapost to be like.) basically its a workers union' date=' the workers take down what ever government they have and give an equal share to everyone at the start. but as time goes on the guys at the top they get richer and richer in till the Communism republic turns it to a dictatorship. the Economy system is well flat out stable(unless it goes belly up like the USSR). [/quote']But you got to admit that Communism makes the countries quite powerful rather quickly...both the former USSR & the current PR of China have become power nations within decades, while it took the US...like nearly 2 ceturies just to be one! Communisim makes a f*** of everything. It really messed up Russia and the east of Germany after WW2. "Let's be fair' date=' alot of theories didn't work out.""yeah, like communisim."--Paul Merton = Legend[/quote']Hey now, let's not forget about Cuba, Cambodia, North Korea, China, Laos, Vietnam & most of Asia! They have also suffer more than enough thanks to Stalin's perverted beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman The Master Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Communism a social base government in which the little guys come first(that's what its sapost to be like.) basically its a workers union' date=' the workers take down what ever government they have and give an equal share to everyone at the start. but as time goes on the guys at the top they get richer and richer in till the Communism republic turns it to a dictatorship. the Economy system is well flat out stable(unless it goes belly up like the USSR). [/quote']But you got to admit that Communism makes the countries quite powerful rather quickly...both the former USSR & the current PR of China have become power nations within decades, while it took the US...like nearly 2 ceturies just to be one! true but look who won i mean Communism can only goes so far with Com you get a boost but it only goes so far with, but with Democracy it takes a while but the skys the limit if its worked right. and if you work Communism with out the Green eye of the Human then it should turn out how the chines want it, a self governing nation. but i don't think the Russian's had the same idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
「tea.leaf」 Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Democracy and communism were meant to go hand-in-hand, really. Democracy is equal distribution of expression, communism is equal distribution of property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrometheusMFD Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Democracy and communism were meant to go hand-in-hand' date=' really. Democracy is equal distribution of expression, communism is equal distribution of property.[/quote'] ... Maybe so, but in practice, Communism is the Totalitarian control of all businesses, big and small.Democracy Republicanism (because that is what the US, UK, Japan, ect truely are) is public ownership and control of the government based on a system of representatives. It is an ideology that states that people will govern thier own lives, and the governments job is merely to regulate the system of currency (but not print it) and defend the citizens. Nothing more, nothing less. Communism is government ownership of all businesses based on an ideology that certain communities will do specific tasks (hence the name). This fails, however, because if communication between these "settlements" fails, the people in that community have lost 99.9999% of everything they need, including raw materials needed to create the products they have been assigned. I do believe in the idea of containment. And, in this current recession (in which Communism thrives), I do believe that the government should just stay out of it, and either get us into another world war with a draft, thus stimulating the economy (WWII did it), or stop trying to bailout stupid, greedy companies (similar to Upper Deck and the three American Car companies) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman The Master Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Democracy and communism were meant to go hand-in-hand' date=' really. Democracy is equal distribution of expression, communism is equal distribution of property.[/quote'] now if we can make a joint government.Democracy and communism were meant to go hand-in-hand' date=' really. Democracy is equal distribution of expression, communism is equal distribution of property.[/quote']I do believe that the government should just stay out of it, and either get us into another world war with a draft, thus stimulating the economy (WWII did it), or stop trying to bailout stupid, greedy companies (similar to Upper Deck and the three American Car companies) and let us not to forget Adult video businesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
「tea.leaf」 Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Communism Socialism is government ownership of all businesses based on an ideology that certain communities will do specific tasks (hence the name). This fails' date=' however, because if communication between these "settlements" fails, the people in that community have lost 99.9999% of everything they need, including raw materials needed to create the products they have been assigned.[/quote'] Fixed. I stand correct still. Although I do agree that the specialization that Communism/Socialism require will inevitably lead to sectionalism and stratification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrometheusMFD Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Communism Socialism is government ownership of all businesses based on an ideology that certain communities will do specific tasks (hence the name). This fails' date=' however, because if communication between these "settlements" fails, the people in that community have lost 99.9999% of everything they need, including raw materials needed to create the products they have been assigned.[/quote'] Fixed. I stand correct still. Communism and Sociallism are two sides of the same coin (with totalitarianism in the middle). Marx, Stalin, and Kruschev were all communists, and that is exactly what they taught and did. This book (which can't be found in print, thank you very much) shows what communism is, how it was enacted, and why it needs to at least be contained, if not eliminated.http://redprimer.com/Communism=Socialism=Fascism=Totalitarianism=Gov't control of the people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman The Master Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 what is sectionalism and stratification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrometheusMFD Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 ...Ok, I'll admit I don't have any knowledge on those two particular subjects XPIf you could fill us in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Lord Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 When WW2 ended, Germany was split by the Berlin wall. The west was controlled by Britain and france (non-communists) and the east by Stalin and his communist Co. The east was prosperous and the west was EPIC FAIL ON MAJOR SCALE. If that's not proof communisim is bad, what is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman The Master Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Communism Socialism is government ownership of all businesses based on an ideology that certain communities will do specific tasks (hence the name). This fails' date=' however, because if communication between these "settlements" fails, the people in that community have lost 99.9999% of everything they need, including raw materials needed to create the products they have been assigned.[/quote'] Fixed. I stand correct still. Communism and Sociallism are two sides of the same coin (with totalitarianism in the middle). Marx, Stalin, and Kruschev were all communists, and that is exactly what they taught and did. This book (which can't be found in print, thank you very much) shows what communism is, how it was enacted, and why it needs to at least be contained, if not eliminated.http://redprimer.com/Communism=Socialism=Fascism=Totalitarianism=Gov't control of the people your form America arnt you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Lord Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Communisim makes a f*** of everything. It really messed up Russia and the east of Germany after WW2. "Let's be fair' date=' alot of theories didn't work out.""yeah, like communisim."--Paul Merton = Legend[/quote']Hey now, let's not forget about Cuba, Cambodia, North Korea, China, Laos, Vietnam & most of Asia! They have also suffer more than enough thanks to Stalin's perverted beliefs. Now, let's not blame everything on Super Mario's alter-ego devil-driven mad man. It is also the people's choice wheather to suffer or make their stand. And it wasn't Stalin who made the communist beliefs, so you can't say 'Thank's to Stalin's perverted beliefs' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman The Master Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 When WW2 ended' date=' Germany was split by the Berlin wall. The west was controlled by Britain and france (non-communists) and the east by Stalin and his communist Co. The east was prosperous and the west was EPIC FAIL ON MAJOR SCALE. If that's not proof communisim is bad, what is?[/quote'] well actually Europe was controlled by the Allies which was mostly America and Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrometheusMFD Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Communism Socialism is government ownership of all businesses based on an ideology that certain communities will do specific tasks (hence the name). This fails' date=' however, because if communication between these "settlements" fails, the people in that community have lost 99.9999% of everything they need, including raw materials needed to create the products they have been assigned.[/quote'] Fixed. I stand correct still. Communism and Sociallism are two sides of the same coin (with totalitarianism in the middle). Marx, Stalin, and Kruschev were all communists, and that is exactly what they taught and did. This book (which can't be found in print, thank you very much) shows what communism is, how it was enacted, and why it needs to at least be contained, if not eliminated.http://redprimer.com/Communism=Socialism=Fascism=Totalitarianism=Gov't control of the people your form America arnt you? Land of the free and home of traitors, liberals, and Micheal Moore(for some of our slower/younger readers, those things tend to be detrimental to the USA)When WW2 ended' date=' Germany was split by the Berlin wall. The west was controlled by Britain and france (non-communists) and the east by Stalin and his communist Co. The [b']west[/b] was prosperous and the east was EPIC FAIL ON MAJOR SCALE. If that's not proof communisim is bad, what is? fix'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
「tea.leaf」 Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Communism=Socialism=Fascism=Totalitarianism=Gov't control of the people We're talking about ideals' date=' not execution, so that comparison cannot be more wrong. Sectionalism, in my case, is the economical division that occurs when regions control differing dominant industries. Ideally, this is good because it would eliminate local competition and would promote a symbiotic economical relationship between the two regions through exchange of products that the other other doesn't have. Of course, in this symbiotic relationship, if one end were to fail, then so must the other, because the regions' dependence upon each other is broken. This plays perfectly into the all-for-one-and-one-for-all gist of Communism. It's an interesting concept in that it's entirely ironic; unity through division. Stratification is the division of society into social classes. Because of economic sectionalism, large groups of people end up producing one good, and these groups may involuntarily break into social hierarchies based on the value of the good that they produce. This side effect of sectionalism is what breaks Communism. It sets up social inequality and thus inevitably brings about social discrimination. Of course, people don't like being tread upon, so eventually the symbiotic relationship of sectionalized states would fall apart. Communism is interesting in this manner in that it's basically set itself to fail from the start because humans are so naturally judgmental and critical, see? Also, there is absolutely no precedent in world history that can justify Communism as a poor system of (lack of) government because it has [b']never[/b] been correctly executed since its conception. The Communist states that have existed, perished and still stand are more socialist states by standards, mostly because they have always had some sort of executive office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman The Master Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 well this will make you made UCA... UCA... just kidding man America has fallen so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrometheusMFD Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 well this will make you made UCA... UCA... just kidding man America has fallen so much. We support Britian, Japan, Germany, France, Spain (but not Portugaul), South Korea, South Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan, ect.The US has become the World Police (which completely sucks!)If we have fallen, you have fallen just as much if not more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman The Master Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 ya i do see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
「tea.leaf」 Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 well this will make you made UCA... UCA... just kidding man America has fallen so much. We support Britian' date=' Japan, Germany, France, Spain (but not Portugaul), South Korea, South Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan, ect.The US has become the World Police (which completely sucks!)If we have fallen, you have fallen just as much if not more[/quote'] This isn't relevant to the topic at hand. Don't tell me you didn't read what I wrote up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman The Master Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 ya i know i wish the confederates won...i did and well that explanes a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
「tea.leaf」 Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 ya i know i wish the confederates won... Things wouldn't be too different, except states would be a lot more unruly, and the president a figurehead. Get back on topic, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman The Master Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 how dose thos Communism=Socialism=Fascism=Totalitarianism=Gov't control of the people equal up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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