U.S going towards communism

[Nnoitra Jiruga]

The U.S is very strong,many people look up to the U.S (Not trying to say its better than everyone else) but now we are going down to a communist government

 

Communism is a very terrible thing,you have no fair trials in jury,you always have to agree with it,they command what house you live in,whats your job etc.

discuss

[OMGAKITTY]

1. Socialism =/= Communism.

 

2. The US is not a continent.

 

3. No.

[Holy Babylon]

The "No Child Left Behind Act" is a definitive form of communism. So is school, school is extremely communist, it's basically like having a communist dictatorship.

[HelioSpark]

1. We are going towards socialism, which can actually work. Communism cannot work and our government would NEVER become Communist.

2. I don't know why people are so scared of Socialism, I think it only makes life easier :/

And if people actually took the time to read Marxist theory, they would find that it actually has pure, good intentions, but is just impossible to execute. So don't blame the philosophy...blame humans and our flawed existence.

[____pi____]

you are reffering to russian style communism, after WWII eavry body reffers to russian style comunnisum as communisim. we are not heading towards communisum, exept no child left behind wich is stuped in eavry possible way but that is another thread.

[Holy Babylon]

Russian Communism wasn't even real Communism, it was just stupid.

[HelioSpark]

No one has ever executed "Communism" correctly, and I doubt anyone ever will.

[OMGAKITTY]

Pure Communism is humanly impossible to create.

[Luna Lovegood]

I think that your idea of comunism fails.

[The Dark One]

I think that your idea of comunism fails.

 

I think his concept of the English language fails too.

 

I mean seriously Crystal Skull' date=' I really hope that English isn't your first language.

 

Now to get to the meat of it: You simply stated two propositions.

 

You said

A. The United States is becoming Communist.

B. Communism is bad.

 

Now, the problem is, you made no arguments to support either statement. So, as of now, there is nothing to discuss, other than your own apparent stupidity.

 

As it happens, both statements are entirely false.

 

The United States is in no way, shape, or form, beginning to slip into Communism. You could conceivably make the argument (I wouldn't) that the United States is becoming a Socialist state. (We do have some Socialist policies, and are thinking about adopting more, but this is not Socialism, this is just the limitation of Capitalism to prevent lasse fair economics from taking place [Lasse Fair is terrible.']) However, Communism =/= Socialism.

 

This brings us to the second point. Communism is NOT a bad thing. Anybody who actually has a clue what they're talking about understands that. The argument is over whether or not it's conceivable to pull off, not whether or not it is a good thing. I just happen to believe that given human nature it is not possible to successfully create a Communist state. However, I think that means that we simply have to change human nature. But that is a topic for a different discussion. the point is you have no clue what you're talking about, so stop now while you're ahead. owait. Let me fix that. Stop now while you're not too far behind.

[OMGAKITTY]

I think that your idea of comunism fails.

 

I think his concept of the English language fails too.

 

I mean seriously Crystal Skull' date=' I really hope that English isn't your first language.

 

Now to get to the meat of it: You simply stated two propositions.

 

You said

A. The United States is becoming Communist.

B. Communism is bad.

 

Now, the problem is, you made no arguments to support either statement. So, as of now, there is nothing to discuss, other than your own apparent stupidity.

 

As it happens, both statements are entirely false.

 

The United States is in no way, shape, or form, beginning to slip into Communism. You could conceivably make the argument (I wouldn't) that the United States is becoming a Socialist state. (We do have some Socialist policies, and are thinking about adopting more, but this is not Socialism, this is just the limitation of Capitalism to prevent lasse fair economics from taking place [Lasse Fair is terrible.']) However, Communism =/= Socialism.

 

This brings us to the second point. Communism is NOT a bad thing. Anybody who actually has a clue what they're talking about understands that. The argument is over whether or not it's conceivable to pull off, not whether or not it is a good thing. I just happen to believe that given human nature it is not possible to successfully create a Communist state. However, I think that means that we simply have to change human nature. But that is a topic for a different discussion. the point is you have no clue what you're talking about, so stop now while you're ahead. owait. Let me fix that. Stop now while you're not too far behind.

 

TL;DR version:

 

1. Communism =/= Socialism

2. Communism isn't bad, just impossible to fully actualize.

3. No.

[Man0waR]

let me define communism for you.

 

Comunism (in the eyes of americans)- When a countrie's government rules under the leadership/ruling of a military body. And will use force to maintain such position. In otherwords, its being ruled by a military.

 

I don't think we're being ruled by the military. So this "U.S is a communist 'soon-to-be' is total bullshit and is just making the impression that, you have no faith in the leadership of this nation and that you believe we can't do something about the problems that we have as a nation.

[Holy Babylon]

let me define communism for you.

 

Communism (in the eyes of Americans)- When a country's government rules under the leadership/ruling of a military body. And will use force to maintain such position. In otherwords' date=' its being ruled by a military.

 

I don't think we're being ruled by the military. So this "U.S is a communist 'soon-to-be' is total bullshit and is just making the impression that, you have no faith in the leadership of this nation and that you believe we can't do something about the problems that we have as a nation.

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That isn't how Ameicans see communism, it's just how they interperet it. They always see the corrupt leaders of communist nations and how they just use their people as sickly pawns in Hell's game. We're just scared of everything being taken away from us. If we were to see the true Utopian idea of communism, then perhaps we would realize it isn't the worst government at all, and that fascism-dictatorship is the worst.

[Lemniscate]

I have not seen a single valid, well thought out, and competent arguement yet.

 

Communism, is not what is really being discussed here, or at least, not what should be discussed here. To use the term communism in this context is entirely incorrect.

The better term would be that of socialism, which, as defined by the merriam webster dictionary is:

1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.

3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

Now, we see that socialism at an idealistic level is the moral plane of absolute equality, in any sort of metaphysical, physical, and spiritual sense. The idea of absolute equality bypasses the idea of militaristic rule or of tyrannical oppression.

Now, the north american view of socialism is misguided in the sense that it instead looks at European democracies such as France that appear as close to the model as possible.

This is again, incorrect. European parliamentary systems are in actuality more naturally inclined to reach towards a greater equality value system. The existance of political coalitions creates a level of weakness within the people, and also inter-dependedness. This will inherently lead to more socialistic societal paradigms.

 

The United States is not subject to these coalition formations, and instead finds devisiveness and separation within the (essentially) 2-party system.

That is why it is near impossible for the United States to ever reach Socialism is the European sense (the only truly near form of socialism in the world today).

[Man0waR]

when people refer to 'russian communism' they see it as- do what we say or die. And that's not the case. If our government was trying to take utter control over our lives, than we would be fighting a government that we know can't work for a free economical and liberal solution to our fallacies, but since our leaders don't try to kill our friends, family, and pie, I can't see you guys even bwgining to conceive the ideas that our government sucks because they can't fix a problem in 1 year that requires 5 years or more. Then that's when we consider our nation "socialists, facists, or communists" so there. I think I've ended your bullcrap logistical lingo ^.^

[Careless Whisper]

The U.S is very strong' date='many people look up to the U.S (Not trying to say its better than everyone else) but now we are going down to a communist government

 

Communism is a very terrible thing,you have no fair trials in jury,you always have to agree with it,they command what house you live in,whats your job etc.

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How about reading more about communism before making a statement. You might learn something. For instance, ask yourself this. How are all the other communist countries thriving with that sort of government> Obviously all forms of governments have their advantages as well as disadvantages.

[Bloodrun]

That's the thing, You expect to get what your getting.

That's always been americas problem. We always expect what we want.

 

You need to learn, to take what your given, and want nothing.

[Wyhe]

The "No Child Left Behind Act" is a definitive form of communism. So is school' date=' school is extremely communist, it's basically like having a communist dictatorship.

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Agreed, schools may even be a prototype for communist controlling on the masses.

 

However, the governments of the world are still not moving to the communist level, maybe just the socialist frontier. (which is able to work effectively)

 

Note: Communism is not evil. It is actually good plans, but only thanks to dumb tyrants like Stalin, Mao Zedong & Kim Il-Sung that it has such bad rep.

 

Furthermore, this world needs a clear-cut balance between the 2 major political systems. US representing the democracies of the world & China acts as the "Big Brother" of global communism & even socialism.

[~Shore]

there is nothing to debate here except crystal skull's intelligence

[OMGAKITTY]

there is nothing to debate here except crystal skull's intelligence

 

There can't be a debate about that if everyone agrees.

[Mister Sir]

there is nothing to debate here except crystal skull's intelligence

 

There can't be a debate about that if everyone agrees.

 

I lol'd.

 

And Socialism=/=Communism, as OMG has said multiple times.

[Dictator7]

It is ridiculous! Our constitution says we are a market economy! If we were a dictatorship, then it could be a comunist or socialist form of government.

[「tea.leaf」]

This thread is full of things that piss me off.

 

The U.S is very strong' date='many people look up to the U.S (Not trying to say its better than everyone else) but now we are going down to a communist government

 

Communism is a very terrible thing,you have no fair trials in jury,you always have to agree with it,they command what house you live in,whats your job etc.

discuss[/font']

 

The U.S. is only strong militarily, but we're probably at the point where China could run over America's ass any day now.

 

I have absolutely no idea where you got the notion that America was resorting to communism, especially after two Red Scares.

 

Where did you come up with this definition of communism anyway?

 

The "No Child Left Behind Act" is a definitive form of communism. So is school' date=' school is extremely communist, it's basically like having a communist dictatorship.

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The term "communist dictatorship" probably just destroyed all of your credibility from here on.

[Willieh]

America's already is a communism; minus all the benefits.

 

Basically, if you took communism and gave it a vagina...

 

Yeah that's the U.S.

[Mehmani]

Communism is a very terrible thing' date='you have no fair trials in jury,you always have to agree with it,they command what house you live in,whats your job etc.

discuss

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You don't understand what communism is, do you? I've read a lot of Karl Marx's work, and it's very interesting subject. It's practically impossible to have a communist society, but a Marxist or Socialist one can work.