U.S going towards communism

[PrometheusMFD]

Here's how things work out (from bad to good)

Fascism Communism Socialism Anarchy Democracy Republic Federalism Libertarianism

 

Opinion.

 

Not to mention that you're ignoring other vital factors. For example' date=' the smaller the area of government, the more effective democracy is; the larger the area, the more effective a republic is.

 

But even aside from that, you are simply declaring your opinion as fact.

 

Here is the political Spectrum

Fascism Communism Socialism Democracy Moderate Republic Conservative Federalist Libertarianism Anarchy.

 

Politics does not work that way.

 

What are you talking about? Modern politics is spread out into a political spectrum (from left to right). How does it not work like that?

 

I see a correlation' date=' don't you?

[/quote']

 

The only correlation I'm seeing is that users named "Prometheus" tend to be positively correlated with idiocy.

 

1, that was extremely rude and an attack at me personally.

2, the farther left you go, the greater government control you have. It is a constant.

[HORUS]

Here's how things work out (from bad to good)

Fascism Communism Socialism Anarchy Democracy Republic Federalism Libertarianism

 

Opinion.

 

Not to mention that you're ignoring other vital factors. For example' date=' the smaller the area of government, the more effective democracy is; the larger the area, the more effective a republic is.

 

But even aside from that, you are simply declaring your opinion as fact.

 

Here is the political Spectrum

Fascism Communism Socialism Democracy Moderate Republic Conservative Federalist Libertarianism Anarchy.

 

Politics does not work that way.

 

What are you talking about? Modern politics is spread out into a political spectrum (from left to right). How does it not work like that?

 

I see a correlation' date=' don't you?

[/quote']

 

The only correlation I'm seeing is that users named "Prometheus" tend to be positively correlated with idiocy.

 

1, that was extremely rude and an attack at me personally.

2, the farther left you go, the greater government control you have. It is a constant.

 

NO. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

Leftists believe in less government, especially ANARCHISTS.

 

 

Ecoboy, I believe in Anarcho-Communism. It's not Marxism.

[PrometheusMFD]

' pid='2206066' dateline='1242934379']

Here's how things work out (from bad to good)

Fascism Communism Socialism Anarchy Democracy Republic Federalism Libertarianism

 

Opinion.

 

Not to mention that you're ignoring other vital factors. For example' date=' the smaller the area of government, the more effective democracy is; the larger the area, the more effective a republic is.

 

But even aside from that, you are simply declaring your opinion as fact.

 

Here is the political Spectrum

Fascism Communism Socialism Democracy Moderate Republic Conservative Federalist Libertarianism Anarchy.

 

Politics does not work that way.

 

What are you talking about? Modern politics is spread out into a political spectrum (from left to right). How does it not work like that?

 

I see a correlation' date=' don't you?

[/quote']

 

The only correlation I'm seeing is that users named "Prometheus" tend to be positively correlated with idiocy.

 

1, that was extremely rude and an attack at me personally.

2, the farther left you go, the greater government control you have. It is a constant.

 

NO. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

Leftists believe in less government, especially ANARCHISTS.

 

 

Ecoboy, I believe in Anarcho-Communism. It's not Marxism.

 

You're kidding, right?

You have Socialism: Government mandation on all businesses

Communism: Government ownership of all businesses

on the left

And you have Conservatism: Restriction of the Government to a constitution with the ability to add ammendments easily

Libertarianism: Restriction of the government to control over National Security and regulating a common currency

 

I think right wing has smaller governments. I don't know who has been spoon feeding you lies, but you better think for yourself for once.

[CrabHelmet]

Here's how things work out (from bad to good)

Fascism Communism Socialism Anarchy Democracy Republic Federalism Libertarianism

 

Opinion.

 

Not to mention that you're ignoring other vital factors. For example' date=' the smaller the area of government, the more effective democracy is; the larger the area, the more effective a republic is.

 

But even aside from that, you are simply declaring your opinion as fact.

 

Here is the political Spectrum

Fascism Communism Socialism Democracy Moderate Republic Conservative Federalist Libertarianism Anarchy.

 

Politics does not work that way.

 

What are you talking about? Modern politics is spread out into a political spectrum (from left to right). How does it not work like that?

 

Declaring it to be a simple left/right spectrum is ludicrous and outdated; most modern representations of politics include a minimum of two axes, generally one for fiscal matters and one for social matters.

 

However, even if we accept that it can be very roughly summarized into a left/right chart, you got the order completely wrong. You even put fascism and communism next to each other, when everyone knows that they are on opposite ends of just about any conceivable one-dimensional political spectrum.

 

I see a correlation' date=' don't you?

[/quote']

 

The only correlation I'm seeing is that users named "Prometheus" tend to be positively correlated with idiocy.

 

1, that was extremely rude and an attack at me personally.

 

Yes.

 

2' date=' the farther left you go, the greater government control you have. It is a constant.

[/quote']

 

Why, yes, it is. Assuming, of course, that we define "left" to be "greater government control". Which you did. And which nobody else on the planet does. Oh, and let's not forget that your ignorance of the systems' actual beliefs caused you to screw up where the systems belonged even given that definition.

 

tl;dr: You made a definition, then you declared a brilliant correlation between your definition and a chart you made based on your definition. And you screwed it up.

 

' pid='2206066' dateline='1242934379']

Here's how things work out (from bad to good)

Fascism Communism Socialism Anarchy Democracy Republic Federalism Libertarianism

 

Opinion.

 

Not to mention that you're ignoring other vital factors. For example' date=' the smaller the area of government, the more effective democracy is; the larger the area, the more effective a republic is.

 

But even aside from that, you are simply declaring your opinion as fact.

 

Here is the political Spectrum

Fascism Communism Socialism Democracy Moderate Republic Conservative Federalist Libertarianism Anarchy.

 

Politics does not work that way.

 

What are you talking about? Modern politics is spread out into a political spectrum (from left to right). How does it not work like that?

 

I see a correlation' date=' don't you?

[/quote']

 

The only correlation I'm seeing is that users named "Prometheus" tend to be positively correlated with idiocy.

 

1, that was extremely rude and an attack at me personally.

2, the farther left you go, the greater government control you have. It is a constant.

 

NO. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

Leftists believe in less government, especially ANARCHISTS.

 

 

Ecoboy, I believe in Anarcho-Communism. It's not Marxism.

 

You're kidding, right?

You have Socialism: Government mandation on all businesses

Communism: Government ownership of all businesses

on the left

And you have Conservatism: Restriction of the Government to a constitution with the ability to add ammendments easily

Libertarianism: Restriction of the government to control over National Security and regulating a common currency

 

I think right wing has smaller governments. I don't know who has been spoon feeding you lies, but you better think for yourself for once.

 

Yeah, you're completely clueless when it comes to spectrums.

 

First of all, communism and socialism do not work that way. The ultimate form of each involves government fading away into nothingness, leaving everything in the hands of the people.

 

Second of all, the extreme right is fascism, which is essentially a polar opposite of communism and socialism. You do know what fascism is, don't you?

[Ecoboy1324]

' pid='2206066' dateline='1242934379']

Here's how things work out (from bad to good)

Fascism Communism Socialism Anarchy Democracy Republic Federalism Libertarianism

 

Opinion.

 

Not to mention that you're ignoring other vital factors. For example' date=' the smaller the area of government, the more effective democracy is; the larger the area, the more effective a republic is.

 

But even aside from that, you are simply declaring your opinion as fact.

 

Here is the political Spectrum

Fascism Communism Socialism Democracy Moderate Republic Conservative Federalist Libertarianism Anarchy.

 

Politics does not work that way.

 

What are you talking about? Modern politics is spread out into a political spectrum (from left to right). How does it not work like that?

 

I see a correlation' date=' don't you?

[/quote']

 

The only correlation I'm seeing is that users named "Prometheus" tend to be positively correlated with idiocy.

 

1, that was extremely rude and an attack at me personally.

2, the farther left you go, the greater government control you have. It is a constant.

 

NO. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

Leftists believe in less government, especially ANARCHISTS.

 

 

Ecoboy, I believe in Anarcho-Communism. It's not Marxism.

 

Anarcho-Communism????

Sounds like a contradiction describe how it works please?

[Çå®∂îñål]

well this fits this

[PrometheusMFD]

I have a question. Name 1 time, 1 time, that communism has ever worked. Ever.

[Santi :D]

pacsteam.info

 

Check that out.

 

US is heading to New World Order, along with the rest of the globe.

[HORUS]

' pid='2206066' dateline='1242934379']

Here's how things work out (from bad to good)

Fascism Communism Socialism Anarchy Democracy Republic Federalism Libertarianism

 

Opinion.

 

Not to mention that you're ignoring other vital factors. For example' date=' the smaller the area of government, the more effective democracy is; the larger the area, the more effective a republic is.

 

But even aside from that, you are simply declaring your opinion as fact.

 

Here is the political Spectrum

Fascism Communism Socialism Democracy Moderate Republic Conservative Federalist Libertarianism Anarchy.

 

Politics does not work that way.

 

What are you talking about? Modern politics is spread out into a political spectrum (from left to right). How does it not work like that?

 

I see a correlation' date=' don't you?

[/quote']

 

The only correlation I'm seeing is that users named "Prometheus" tend to be positively correlated with idiocy.

 

1, that was extremely rude and an attack at me personally.

2, the farther left you go, the greater government control you have. It is a constant.

 

NO. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

Leftists believe in less government, especially ANARCHISTS.

 

 

Ecoboy, I believe in Anarcho-Communism. It's not Marxism.

 

Anarcho-Communism????

Sounds like a contradiction describe how it works please?

 

Anarcho-Communism is an Anarchist society based around subsistence farming, but it has a council that makes minor decisions and deals with wrong-doers.

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' pid='2206066' dateline='1242934379']

Here's how things work out (from bad to good)

Fascism Communism Socialism Anarchy Democracy Republic Federalism Libertarianism

 

Opinion.

 

Not to mention that you're ignoring other vital factors. For example' date=' the smaller the area of government, the more effective democracy is; the larger the area, the more effective a republic is.

 

But even aside from that, you are simply declaring your opinion as fact.

 

Here is the political Spectrum

Fascism Communism Socialism Democracy Moderate Republic Conservative Federalist Libertarianism Anarchy.

 

Politics does not work that way.

 

What are you talking about? Modern politics is spread out into a political spectrum (from left to right). How does it not work like that?

 

I see a correlation' date=' don't you?

[/quote']

 

The only correlation I'm seeing is that users named "Prometheus" tend to be positively correlated with idiocy.

 

1, that was extremely rude and an attack at me personally.

2, the farther left you go, the greater government control you have. It is a constant.

 

NO. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

Leftists believe in less government, especially ANARCHISTS.

 

 

Ecoboy, I believe in Anarcho-Communism. It's not Marxism.

 

Anarcho-Communism????

Sounds like a contradiction describe how it works please?

 

Anarcho-Communism is an Anarchist society based around subsistence farming, but it has a council that makes minor decisions and deals with wrong-doers.

 

 

Prometheus: Communism has never worked because it has never been implemented.

[OMGAKITTY]

Anarcho-Communism...sounds terrible.

 

Subsistence farming? -____-

 

How do you plan to get.....anything else? (ie, clothing, medicine, houses....)

[Shrekstasy]

Better Red than dead.

[Ecoboy1324]

Anarcho-Communism...sounds terrible.

 

Subsistence farming? -____-

 

How do you plan to get.....anything else? (ie' date=' clothing, medicine, houses....)

[/quote']

 

What Horus is saying is that we will go back to the pre Mesopotamian days where everyone did a there bit to the general cause and society works because there is no reason to go against the flow. This theroy has no flaws and if somehow we can convince the worlds governments to go this route it will save humanity IMO

[Santi :D]

NWO > Communism and other forms of government

 

One World Governemnt.

[Azmodius]

Yeah, right. USA will not convert to Communism.

 

I wore a hammer + sickle shirt to school and got beat up for it! Also got some funny looks.

[Static]

Anarcho-Communism...sounds terrible.

 

Subsistence farming? -____-

 

How do you plan to get.....anything else? (ie' date=' clothing, medicine, houses....)

[/quote']

 

What Horus is saying is that we will go back to the pre Mesopotamian days where everyone did a there bit to the general cause and society works because there is no reason to go against the flow. This theroy has no flaws and if somehow we can convince the worlds governments to go this route it will save humanity IMO

 

It has two flaws.

 

Collectivism does not work anymore. The human brain has developed too much in the last 9001 years of our existence with the development of civilization, morality, justice, and all that which is wrong. We are inclined to act selfishly; collectivism is not going to work without some serious injustice occurring first.

 

We've funked sheet up pretty bad. The general schema of the populous, the state of the earth, and the amount of toxican's that we've pumped into each of those will prevent us from going into such a perfect phase.

 

 

 

On the issue at hand:

 

The US is not moving towards communism. Obama might be a socialist, but all he has done so far that is even remotely communistic is pass "Fair Trade" policies. (Credit card company restrictions, etc..) Fox News can call him a "socialist," but we all know how honest and reliable Fox News is.

 

As far as my moral integrity goes, we need more "Fair Trade" policy; companies should exist to serve the good of the people, not just their stockholders. Obama is in the right, but he is in no way pushing the US towards Marxism.

[OMGAKITTY]

Anarcho-Communism...sounds terrible.

 

Subsistence farming? -____-

 

How do you plan to get.....anything else? (ie' date=' clothing, medicine, houses....)

[/quote']

 

What Horus is saying is that we will go back to the pre Mesopotamian days where everyone did a there bit to the general cause and society works because there is no reason to go against the flow. This theroy has no flaws and if somehow we can convince the worlds governments to go this route it will save humanity IMO

 

It has two flaws.

 

Collectivism does not work anymore. The human brain has developed too much in the last 9001 years of our existence with the development of civilization, morality, justice, and all that which is wrong. We are inclined to act selfishly; collectivism is not going to work without some serious injustice occurring first.

 

We've f***ed s*** up pretty bad. The general schema of the populous, the state of the earth, and the amount of toxican's that we've pumped into each of those will prevent us from going into such a perfect phase.

 

 

 

On the issue at hand:

 

The US is not moving towards communism. Obama might be a socialist, but all he has done so far that is even remotely communistic is pass "Fair Trade" policies. (Credit card company restrictions, etc..) Fox News can call him a "socialist," but we all know how honest and reliable Fox News is.

 

As far as my moral integrity goes, we need more "Fair Trade" policy; companies should exist to serve the good of the people, not just their stockholders. Obama is in the right, but he is in no way pushing the US towards Marxism.

 

Also, farming communities back then consisted of what, 100 people? You can't apply that same theory on a global scale. It wouldn't work.

[Static]

And you can't have separate countries for such a system to work.

 

ITT: Ain't gonna work

[HelioSpark]

Thank heavens Static is here to pump some sense into this discussion :]

 

Also, I don't see why people have such a huge problem with Forms of govt. like Socialism and Communism. I would rather live in a Rousseau-esque society than one dominated by Private intrests and little regulation. Just blame the people who twist the ideas to fit their own selfish needs >.> (this is not saying that I support Communism...people should just realize what it actually is they should be critisizing......human nature)

[PrometheusMFD]

Thank heavens Static is here to pump some sense into this discussion :]

 

Also' date=' I don't see why people have such a huge problem with Forms of govt. like Socialism and Communism. I would rather live in a Rousseau-esque society than one dominated by Private intrests and little regulation. Just blame the people who twist the ideas to fit their own selfish needs >.> (this is not saying that I support Communism...people should just realize what it actually is they should be critisizing......human nature)

[/quote']

 

So what you're saying is we should regulate the common citizen to prevent thier human nature from taking over, with a government run by humans with said bad human nature?

It is human nature to succeed in life, to prosper, to be happy.

It is not human nature to control other humans. That is just greed.

[Static]

It is human nature to succeed in life' date=' to prosper, to be happy.

It is not human nature to control other humans. That is just greed.

[/quote']

 

Someone needs to hit the bong pretty hard and listen to some Tool.

 

Desire towards wealth (power, greed) and pleasure are THE most human desires that exist. It is rare for someone to desire freedom from desires or to be a part of the whole collective system, even if either would bring them more success or happiness than the original two.

 

Human nature is hostile. Darwinism is literally the philosophy of nature and it works like this; The universe is hostile and impersonal. Devour to survive; kill or be killed.

[OMGAKITTY]

...Which is why communism will never work.

[Static]

...Which is why communism will never work.

 

Here's the other thing.

 

Humans are sadistic, but they are also masochistic. People loved to be controlled and manipulated when it gives them some sort of pleasure. Religion stands as proof of this.

 

ITT: Peace -> No Freedom; Freedom -> No Peace.

[PrometheusMFD]

Ah, but you are forgetting that Big Government->Control Over Citizens->No Peace.

[Static]

Ah' date=' but you are forgetting that Big Government->Control Over Citizens->No Peace.

[/quote']

 

Big Religion -> Submission

 

When Big Government = Big Religion, then peace becomes plausible.

[EocDragon]

People need to stop calling everything communist. There are no communist countries in the world, because Communism is a society in which government doesn't need to exist, because every person is working to better eachother. Communism in it's true state is a form of Utopianism.

 

However, Socialism, which is a basically a version of communism made to work with human nature factored in, is used by many countries around the world. The United States is becoming a little bit more socialist, not communist.

 

Also, the No Child Left Behind Act is not really Socialist. The idea behind the Act is that every child should get an equal chance at life, through education. That idea is closer to the Philosophy of the American Dream than Socialism.