U.S going towards communism

[Shonen Jump™]

xD i dont mean to offend or even be racist but the only people that look up to the u.s are the americans their are loads are different views but mine is the u.s is a powerful country that can misuse its power for instance some people dont look up to it because you have attacked people in Afghanistan or abused people in interrgogation however im not saying this is your fault im saying the army could well lay off :S sorry if you take this to offence

[OMGAKITTY]

XD I don't mean to offend' date=' or be racist, but the only people that look up to the U.S. are Americans. There are loads are different views, but mine is that the U.S. is a powerful country that can misuse its power. For instance, some people don't agree with the decision to attack people in Afghanistan, or abusing people in interrogation. However I'm not saying this is your fault, I'm saying the army could, well, lay off. :S Sorry if this offended you.

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There is nothing even remotely racist in this comment >_>

 

Oh, and fix'd.

 

 

You realize that the US doesn't support torture during interrogations? The soldiers responsible were dealt accordingly. Saying that the US abuses power because it tortures people is like saying all Germans hate Jews.

 

And anyone/thing that has power can misuse it...

 

And really, your comment was kind of off topic :/

[Felix Culpa]

The "No Child Left Behind Act" is a definitive form of communism. So is school' date=' school is extremely communist, it's basically like having a communist dictatorship.

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There are many flaws in this quote. Basically, the No Child Left Behind Act, says that you must be able to pass and the teachers and administartors are to blame if you don't. Technically, before you reach the age of 18, which you legally become an adult, you have limited rights, and school is just education. Good luck at life without education. I'll give you some spare change if I ever see you.

[Çå®∂îñål]

the us in not going to communisum and when it does im moving to canada

[Huntar!]

The U.S is very strong' date='many people look up to the U.S (Not trying to say its better than everyone else) but now we are going down to a communist government

 

Communism is a very terrible thing,you have no fair trials in jury,you always have to agree with it,they command what house you live in,whats your job etc.

discuss[/font']

 

United States won't be a communist country. Its against our constitution to be communist, or so its implied. Our rights kinda won't let us.

 

Communism isn't bad. Communism is the perfect society. The perfect world. Everyone gets the same everything in the same amount in the same way. No one has any more than anyone else. learn about communism then come back later when you become smart.

[Dweller of Parables]

The U.S is very strong' date='many people look up to the U.S (Not trying to say its better than everyone else) but now we are going down to a communist government

 

Communism is a very terrible thing,you have no fair trials in jury,you always have to agree with it,they command what house you live in,whats your job etc.

discuss[/font']

 

United States won't be a communist country. Its against our constitution to be communist, or so its implied. Our rights kinda won't let us.

 

Communism isn't bad. Communism is the perfect society. The perfect world. Everyone gets the same everything in the same amount in the same way. No one has any more than anyone else. learn about communism then come back later when you become smart.

 

Ants for the win.

[Huntar!]

yes. ants for the win.

[OMGAKITTY]

The U.S is very strong' date='many people look up to the U.S (Not trying to say its better than everyone else) but now we are going down to a communist government

 

Communism is a very terrible thing,you have no fair trials in jury,you always have to agree with it,they command what house you live in,whats your job etc.

discuss[/font']

 

United States won't be a communist country. Its against our constitution to be communist, or so its implied. Our rights kinda won't let us.

 

Communism isn't bad. Communism is the perfect society. The perfect world. Everyone gets the same everything in the same amount in the same way. No one has any more than anyone else. learn about communism then come back later when you become smart.

 

And there's even a television show to prove it.

[Huntar!]

Now that you mention it, the smurfs are communist.

[OMGAKITTY]

For naysayers who point to the Former Soviet Union as proof that communism is inherently flawed' date=' may we merely direct your attention to Smurf Village, where everyone shares everything, wears similar utilitarian clothing, battles Gargamel and his turn-Smurfs-to-gold get rich quick schemes and obeys the dictates of a bearded, red hat-wearing, benevolent authority figure. Quoth Comrade Papa: "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." Really, he actually said that.[/quote']

[Wyhe]

The U.S is very strong' date='many people look up to the U.S (Not trying to say its better than everyone else) but now we are going down to a communist government

 

Communism is a very terrible thing,you have no fair trials in jury,you always have to agree with it,they command what house you live in,whats your job etc.

discuss[/font']

 

United States won't be a communist country. Its against our constitution to be communist, or so its implied. Our rights kinda won't let us.

 

Communism isn't bad. Communism is the perfect society. The perfect world. Everyone gets the same everything in the same amount in the same way. No one has any more than anyone else. learn about communism then come back later when you become smart.

The only flaw is that us humans are too flawed for this perfection.

 

Humans are controlling, so we desire to control others. (like Stalin or Mao or Kim Jong-Il)

 

Humans are inherently greedy as it drives us to do better, thus we desire wealth and wish to get it. (hence the opening market by Deng Xiaoping)

 

Communism is not flawed, just that we must change ourselves before being able to live out true Communism with the ultimate abolition of power

[CrabHelmet]

I believe Madison put it best in Federalist #51: "If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, men would complain."

 

Also, finding stupidity in this topic is like looking for hay in a haystack, so let's take care of a few bales, shall we?

 

The U.S is very strong' date='many people look up to the U.S (Not trying to say its better than everyone else) but now we are going down to a communist government[/font']

 

I know where all this got started. The economic crisis caused by capitalistic businessmen being colossal morons left America in a situation where the only solution was for the government to give business a bit of backing. Then some pundit combined that with Obama's proposal to improve healthcare (which still doesn't match up to the standards set by other capitalist countries in Western Europe) and declared that all of America was now socialist. Then idiot kids heard that, didn't understand it, and posted it on an internet forum with a stupid typeface.

 

And now you know the real story.

 

While it is true that providing more healthcare and the like are certainly steps in a somewhat socialist direction, to instantly declare "Oh no, that's socialist, it must be bad!" is ludicrous. Remember that the government only functions because it has the ability to collect taxes and use them to benefit the people through its functions; thus, the only way to totally avert socialism is to have anarchy or a broke government (i.e. anarchy). Unless you are anarchist, that alone should make it clear that certain socialist ideas - such as "Hey, maybe the government should actually help the people a bit instead of pretending it doesn't exist!" - are indispensable, which raises the next question of how far we should go with them, and while a clear-cut answer to that does not exist, calling a tiny step in a socialist direct an inexcusable act of tyranny and a sign of a communist apocalypse is the same as taking a minor reduction in healthcare and calling it a harbinger of fascist dictatorship.

 

Communism is a very terrible thing' date='you have no fair trials in jury,you always have to agree with it,they command what house you live in,whats your job etc.[/font']

 

Indeed. Also, the internet is a very terrible thing, it means that the government has direct access to your personal life, it can read your mind, it can edit your Word documents so that you drop out of high school, and it means that Google will take over the world using the army it is currently amassing with the profits it received after buying out HeadOn via the web.

 

Isn't it fun to declare utter nonsense as fact and warn the world about its impending Not Doom?

 

The "No Child Left Behind Act" is a definitive form of communism. So is school' date=' school is extremely communist, it's basically like having a communist dictatorship.

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I am not a fan of No Child Left Behind - what it promotes is lower standards, teaching to the test, and less gifted education - but this is pure nonsense. Of course, public money is used for public education, so in that sense public school education does include a facet of socialism, but again, the only alternative is to dissolve all public education. Yeah, let's do that! Tear down all the schools in our quest to drive out the reds! After all, with people like you posting this nonsense, they obviously aren't having any effect...

 

Also, "communist dictatorship" is a very winner phrase, in the sense that Big Rigs Over the Road Racing is a very winner game.

 

On the dictatorship front, though, school is a dictatorship. In your classes, the students don't vote on whether they should all instantly get A's or whether they should actually do the work to earn their grades; the teacher decides that. Student councils exist, but despite what you may have seen them do in anime, they never really decide anything important, and the school officials can always trump them if necessary. The alternative is ludicrous, for obvious reasons.

 

Communism and socialism aren't bad.

 

This statement seems fine on its own' date=' and most of the more intelligent people in this thread (note that I said "more", which isn't saying much, considering that they're being compared to these other idiots) seem to support it. However, there are two problems with it. The first has already been brought up, and is based on practicality. As James Madison said in Federalist 51: "If men were angels, socialist government would be sweet. If angels were to govern men, they'd use socialism because they're awesome." This has already been addressed, so I will not say anything more.

 

The second point, however, is more relevant: while communism and/or socialism may not be bad for the world as a whole, they could very well be bad for [i']you[/i].

 

Look at yourselves. You have comfortable houses, comfortable lives, time to kill, money to spend, several degrees of luxury. You are the upper middle class, the bourgeois of a nation whose reserves of coin and gun have placed it consistently at or near the top amongst the other nations of the world for more than half a century, and which has enjoyed superpower status for just as long. You have high hopes for yourselves, high dreams, high prospects, a several mile head start in the race of life, and even if you personally aren't going to become the next Bill Gates, you are all well on your way to living an excellent life. You are citizens of the great United States of America, and you are proud of it.

 

You are the bourgeois of the world.

 

The Haves.

 

Not everyone in the world is so lucky.

 

To your South lies a nation so poor that your own country is unable to handle mass of humans whose only goal is to break into your paradise so that they can get by with a minimum-wage job. And Mexico is one of the better cases. Ask yourselves how many people in Africa have the same advantages you have. The world is filled with poor people, and you avert your eyes because you don't want to understand what that means.

 

The 2004 tsunami killed three hundred thousand people in countries not your own - and that was just the immediate deaths. Those left homeless, their possessions lost, scrambling to simply find food? Uncountable. But those are foreigners, and you avert your eyes because you do not care. Katrina's death toll was under two thousand, less than one percent of that of the tsunami, but you care far more about Katrina because it happened in your own nation. But what of the poor of your own country? How much do you care about them? Do you make excuses about how this is the great nation of America and the golden land of opportunity where everyone has the power to do whatever they want if they have the strength, ignoring the obvious inequality between being raised as a single black child of an impoverished single mother in a bad section of the city and being raised white by two supportive, well-off parents in the suburbs in a strong school district? Perhaps Katrina only matters to you because it hit people like you who were similarly well-off? And what of the illegal immigrant that you want to deport? Do they deserve to be here any less than you do on the grounds that they were born on the wrong patch of soil?

 

Not everyone was born as a bourgeois in one of the world's wealthier nations.

 

They are the proletariat of the world.

 

The Have-Nots.

 

They outnumber you.

 

You decry socialism and communism as the ultimate symbols of evil because their core principles involve spreading the wealth around. In your mouth, you say the problem is that this fails to reward the American dream or some other pretentious nonsense. But the fact of the matter is that you are so well-off that any such sharing would harm you personally. You don't want socialized healthcare because that would result in you paying more to save those too poor to save themselves. Now, imagine if all of the wealth and property in the world were instantaneously evenly distributed amongst every person alive. You're all so high up that the only result is that you fall down while your assets bring the impoverished up to an even level.

 

Will you starve to death? No.

 

Will you not live the same life of luxury now that you are no longer sacrificing the poor to do so? That's another story.

 

The failure to recognize the selfishness of everyone posting here is at best an error made by those foolish enough to overlook it and at worst the true motivation behind you greedy pigs who make other excuses (or don't even manage to do that) and cry out against socialism while hiding the real truth: the problem is not that socialism is bad but rather that the current economic inequalities result in socialism hurting you personally. Capitalism versus socialism is a battle fought between those who are so well off they take it for granted and those who envy them.

 

And that is the reason that you all suck.

[Metal Lord]

Pure Communism is humanly impossible to create.

 

You radiate the truth, man.

 

yep, there will always be a greedy bugger who will attempt to beat the system at our expense.

[OMGAKITTY]

After Crab, I'm pretty sure this thread can be locked now...

[HORUS]

I lol'd very hard at the OP and his lack of understanding of what exactly a pure communist regime entails.

 

Meanwhile, I'm loling at how OP thinks the US is becoming communist. Not going to happen. I'm a communist myself, and I don't think it will happen.

[Felix Culpa]

I think we are all looking over the fact that Communist governments normally have very strong leaders. I'd like to say the same about us... but in my opinion the last great leader we had was JFK, and he was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald. You people put such a heavy stereotype on Communists, you obviously haven't been to a foreign country. To some people in foreign countries, we are all lazy, layabout slobs. Just the fact of the amtter is, Americans aren't Communist and as umm... "Dicatator7" (horrible name if you're supporting U.S. ideals) said, the Constitution and Declaration of Independence say otherwise. The Constitution states that we are a democratic republic of the people, and a free market economy. And the Declaration of Independence (just in case you are thinking about it) says you can create a new government if you do not like the current government. We are a government "for the people, by the people, and from the people" so there. (At least I think I got that quote right.) All in all, you should actually read about Communism to learn more about it. And Communists follow Communism. Dictatorships follow A. there dictators B. Socialism (sometimes)... And remember Hitler was elected democratically (different subject, but still somewhat relevant)

[Wyhe]

I think we are all looking over the fact that Communist governments normally have very strong leaders. I'd like to say the same about us... but in my opinion the last great leader we had was JFK' date=' and he was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald. You people put such a heavy stereotype on Communists, you obviously haven't been to a foreign country. To [b']all people in every foreign countries[/b], we are all lazy, layabout slobs. Just the fact of the amtter is, Americans aren't Communist and as umm... "Dicatator7" (horrible name if you're supporting U.S. ideals) said, the Constitution and Declaration of Independence say otherwise. The Constitution states that we are a democratic republic of the people, and a free market economy. And the Declaration of Independence (just in case you are thinking about it) says you can create a new government if you do not like the current government. We are a government "for the people, by the people, and from the people" so there. (At least I think I got that quote right.) All in all, you should actually read about Communism to learn more about it. And Communists follow Communism. Dictatorships follow A. there dictators B. Socialism (sometimes)... And remember Hitler was elected democratically (different subject, but still somewhat relevant)

Now's much more accurate now...

[HORUS]

PEOPLE. FIGURE IT OUT. COMMUNISM HAS NO LEADERS.

[OMGAKITTY]

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PEOPLE. FIGURE IT OUT. COMMUNISM HAS NO LEADERS.

 

Communism goes against human nature. We want a leader so there's someone to make the hard choices for us. We want a leader so there's someone to blame when things go wrong. We want to have sheet, and we want it to be ours, because we're all selfish bastards. Unless you're a smurf, communism doesn't really work.

[HORUS]

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PEOPLE. FIGURE IT OUT. COMMUNISM HAS NO LEADERS.

 

Communism goes against human nature. We want a leader so there's someone to make the hard choices for us. We want a leader so there's someone to blame when things go wrong. We want to have s***' date=' and we want it to be ours, because we're all selfish bastards. Unless you're a smurf, communism doesn't really work.

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1. I don't want a leader. Following is for sheep.

 

2. Smurfs aren't communists. They're actually anarchists.

[OMGAKITTY]

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PEOPLE. FIGURE IT OUT. COMMUNISM HAS NO LEADERS.

 

Communism goes against human nature. We want a leader so there's someone to make the hard choices for us. We want a leader so there's someone to blame when things go wrong. We want to have s***' date=' and we want it to be ours, because we're all selfish bastards. Unless you're a smurf, communism doesn't really work.

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1. I don't want a leader. Following is for sheep.

 

2. Smurfs aren't communists. They're actually anarchists.

 

There are sheep, there are shepherds, and then there are anarchists. Something like that.

[PrometheusMFD]

Here's how things work out (from bad to good)

Fascism Communism Socialism Anarchy Democracy Republic Federalism Libertarianism

 

Here is the political Spectrum

Fascism Communism Socialism Democracy Moderate Republic Conservative Federalist Libertarianism Anarchy.

 

I see a correlation, don't you?

[HORUS]

Here's how things work out (from bad to good)

Fascism Communism Socialism Anarchy Democracy Republic Federalism Libertarianism

 

Here is the political Spectrum

Fascism Communism Socialism Democracy Moderate Republic Conservative Federalist Libertarianism Anarchy.

 

I see a correlation' date=' don't you?

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That is not the funking political spectrum.

 

It's something like this:

 

Anarchy - Communism - Socialism - Libertarian - Moderate - Republic - Fascist

[CrabHelmet]

Here's how things work out (from bad to good)

Fascism Communism Socialism Anarchy Democracy Republic Federalism Libertarianism

 

Opinion.

 

Not to mention that you're ignoring other vital factors. For example' date=' the smaller the area of government, the more effective democracy is; the larger the area, the more effective a republic is.

 

But even aside from that, you are simply declaring your opinion as fact.

 

Here is the political Spectrum

Fascism Communism Socialism Democracy Moderate Republic Conservative Federalist Libertarianism Anarchy.

 

Politics does not work that way.

 

I see a correlation' date=' don't you?

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The only correlation I'm seeing is that users named "Prometheus" tend to be positively correlated with idiocy.

[Ecoboy1324]

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PEOPLE. FIGURE IT OUT. COMMUNISM HAS NO LEADERS.

 

Read the Manifesto again my friend

Marx said that in a true communist society the state whould eventually collaspe but it still needs a leader to enforce the new order which is where the problem lies in the theory