Красивая Ведьма Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I think too many people don't truly understand communism. In all reality' date=' Communism doesn't really exist, because Communism is just Utopianism in disguise. Communism has never existed because a truly Utopian society has never existed. Communism doesn't deal with money or government, because such things are unecessary in a Communist, or Utopian, society. In theory Communism is the realization of complete moral perfection, as everyone is equal and trivial things like government are unecessary because all the members of the community are working toward the common goal of perfection. To answer your question Horus, you aren't wrong, perhaps just a little foolhardy for believing in a system that contradicts human nature.[/quote'] The first two paragraphs are correct; however. If we don't dream and stand up for what we believe in, what are we? How dare you say "If we don't dream and stand up for what we believe in, what are we?" after all the bull that you purged. You claimed we should all be in a society where we are without dreams and if we stand up for what we believe in that we should be killed for "blasphemy." I don't think you even know what you suggest or want. You just flip-flop your views in a New York minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I think too many people don't truly understand communism. In all reality' date=' Communism doesn't really exist, because Communism is just Utopianism in disguise. Communism has never existed because a truly Utopian society has never existed. Communism doesn't deal with money or government, because such things are unecessary in a Communist, or Utopian, society. In theory Communism is the realization of complete moral perfection, as everyone is equal and trivial things like government are unecessary because all the members of the community are working toward the common goal of perfection. To answer your question Horus, you aren't wrong, perhaps just a little foolhardy for believing in a system that contradicts human nature.[/quote'] The first two paragraphs are correct; however. If we don't dream and stand up for what we believe in, what are we? How dare you say "If we don't dream and stand up for what we believe in, what are we?" after all the bull that you purged. You claimed we should all be in a society where we are without dreams and if we stand up for what we believe in that we should be killed for "blasphemy." I don't think you even know what you suggest or want. You just flip-flop your views in a New York minute. Different person, different argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 This thread is about morality' date=' not about the actuality of Communism. Is there anything "wrong" with the philosophic, theoretical perfect communist state?[/quote'] I lol'd. This is how most if not all ideas start. And much of this thread ignores that. But no Communism itself isn't wrong.The events that lead INTO it, is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 This thread is about morality' date=' not about the actuality of Communism. Is there anything "wrong" with the philosophic, theoretical perfect communist state?[/quote'] I lol'd. This is how most if not all ideas start. And much of this thread ignores that. But no Communism itself isn't wrong.The events that lead INTO it, is. I disagree. The Red Revolution justified Bloody Sunday, and it was a just revolution against the nepotistic Czar. (albeit, the CCCP was also nepotistic, but to a lesser degree. It was favoritist only in two variants: for the party (favored) and other(not favored) ) I'm not justifying the actions of anyone post Lenin, but the Red Revolution was poetic justice upon the Czar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
六兆年と一夜物語 Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Communism is wrong because it isn't fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyhe Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Communism is wrong because it isn't fair.But then again, a democracy or a monarchy or a military junta are not fair either...no political system alive are actually truly fair. Fair just goes against human nature by all means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EocDragon Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Communism is wrong because it isn't fair. You haven't been reading, have you? Communism in its true form is nothing but fair. Your thinking of Socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Poison Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 If there is nothing wrong with it, why did it fail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Красивая Ведьма Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Different person' date=' different argument.[/quote'] Oh, I see. So you don't have any real opinions or views. You just say whatever pops into your head first. My views are always the same. I don't change depending on who I am talking to. Since you do, then we don't have to listen to you because it will always change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EocDragon Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Communism has never failed because Communism has never truly been implemented. All the so called Communist governements of the world aren't really Communist, their some sort of fusion between Communism and another form of government, usually some sort of Dictatorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Красивая Ведьма Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Communism has never failed because Communism has never truly been implemented. All the so called Communist governements of the world aren't really Communist' date=' their some sort of fusion between Communism and another form of government, usually some sort of Dictatorship.[/quote'] Communisms are blends between socialist economy and despotist leaders. But, I don't like communism in its purest form either. It makes it impossible for personal improvement. Also, I like having control of my money and my life. The government should work for the people not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Poison Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Since they haven't implemented it's pure form, then it means that they can't do it, right?As stated earlier in this thread, communism is perfect in theory, but impossible in practice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Красивая Ведьма Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Since they haven't implemented it's pure form' date=' then it means that they can't do it, right?As stated earlier in this thread, communism is perfect in theory, but impossible in practice[/quote'] I totally agree. Communism is one of those things that look good on paper but implemented it is tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelioSpark Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 If there is nothing wrong with it' date=' why did it fail?[/quote'] The imperfect nature of humans exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EocDragon Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Some of you still don't seem to understand that communism is not a form of government, nor does communism have a government. In theory, a communist society is made up of the working class who has overthrown repressive government and social structure. What is left are a group of hardworking individuals who are all equals. Everybody shares, everybody's needs are fufilled. Government isn't needed, because everybody works only for the common good. The problem with Communism is people don't want to be equals, they want to be better. The ideals of Communism never really took root in America, because it directly conflicts with the idea of the American Dream. Communist ideals take root in countries who already have oppresive governments, mostly dictatorships. But the movements for change are always lead by a person, or a group of people, who end up corrupted by power and set up their own dictatorships. All that a "communist" revolutions really does is eliminate the middle class, which is not communism in any shape or form. Pure Communism could, theoretically, be set up on a small scale among a group of devoted individuals, however, the society would have to be extremely sheltered and would most likely not last more than a single generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Tbh, I think this whole communism thing is part of your shock value sheet. But w/e. Communist defeats the point of living. If everyone lived in peace, and everyone was in the same social class, and nobody was different, life would be boring. True story bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunk Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Tbh' date=' I think this whole communism thing is part of your shock value s***. But w/e. Communist defeats the point of living. If everyone lived in peace, and everyone was in the same social class, and nobody was different, life would be boring. True story bro.[/quote'] That's a highly narrow-minded point of view. Actually, "life" for most people is "made worthy" by ordinary time spent with those who are close to you, and by experiencing the rest of the world in peace. Those who see their lives as good solely because they are in a higher class, which is what you implied, don't really deserve to live anyway. As for war, one of my favourite quotes is fitting: "War is delightful to those who have no experience of it." - Erasmus Any one who lives for conflict is to be gifted a rude awakening when they are to experience it. Communism is wrong because it isn't fair. You haven't been reading' date=' have you? Communism in its true form is nothing but fair. Your thinking of Socialism.[/quote'] I believe you're getting Communism and Socialism mixed up. Socialism is where everyone is provided for. Communism is where the minorities and unenlightened are purged, then the remainder are provided for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EocDragon Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Communism is wrong because it isn't fair. You haven't been reading' date=' have you? Communism in its true form is nothing but fair. Your thinking of Socialism.[/quote'] I believe you're getting Communism and Socialism mixed up. Socialism is where everyone is provided for. Communism is where the minorities and unenlightened are purged, then the remainder are provided for. Sort of. The whole idea of communism, at least by Marx, was that the working class of the world would unite and overthrow the oppresive aristocratic regimes, then live together in unity. The way you make it sound is that both Communism and Socialism have a higher power that distributes everything, where as in Communism, the whole point is to get rid of higher powers. There is also nothing about purging minorities or the unenlightened, unless you consider the upper class aristorcracy as being the unenlightened. In short, you seem to have written off Communism as being the evil that Americans tend to write it off as. I suppose I could be misinterpreting your statement, so correct me if you meant something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Different person' date=' different argument.[/quote'] Oh, I see. So you don't have any real opinions or views. You just say whatever pops into your head first. My views are always the same. I don't change depending on who I am talking to. Since you do, then we don't have to listen to you because it will always change. First off, I can argue whichever side I want on a given debate, and I can argue something that I disagree with for the sake of arguing. Secondly, the argument you proposed and the argument that Eoc proposed were two completely different argument's, so I had two completely different opinions on each of them. Eoc was much more on the actual topic of "the morality of communism" and applied to the world we live in. While we live in a world like this (Capitalist, Social Darwinist mentality); with little to no care for moral integrity, I think we should dream of perfection; a world without need to worry about the moral integrity of others because we would all share the same morals. A world where all see right and wrong as the same will exist in a state of harmonious justice. The argument with you was about the actual political theory of socialist-theocracy, the form of government I would call closest to perfect (verses Democracy). A member of such a society, given that it was close to ideal, should not think freely on certain subjects, such as the validity of their beliefs, and recognize that the really important part about their beliefs is that they bring the community together. So no, I wasn't flip flopping, I was encouraging two different perspectives based on two different states of reality. If I lived in Iran, I would support Ahmadinejad and follow the creeds of Islam. If I lived in Tibet, I would support his Holiness and I would follow the creeds of the Buddha. Haha, the latter was a bad example, that's not much of a change from my current spiritual perspective. While I live in the United States, I will hope for a world where we can trust our neighbors and all share the same creeds; the elimination of fundamental differences to establish a more connected community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juuzou Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 because human brains want to control everything. in theory, it would work perfectly, but humans are too imperfect to live without rules... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 because human brains want to control everything. in theory' date=' it would work perfectly, but humans are too imperfect to live without rules...[/quote'] Please tell me why Communism is wrong. Where is the ethical flaw in the theory of communism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Красивая Ведьма Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 because human brains want to control everything. in theory' date=' it would work perfectly, but humans are too imperfect to live without rules...[/quote'] Please tell me why Communism is wrong. Where is the ethical flaw in the theory of communism? There isn't an ethical flaw in the theory of communism. The flaw is it in practice. It just doesn't work well. Can everyone live in harmony under the government? The theory is fine, but it is flawed when implemented. The main flaw in communism is that it prohibits free and independent thought. Just like a fundamentalism or a theocracy only without a deity at the head of the propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juuzou Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 because human brains want to control everything. in theory' date=' it would work perfectly, but humans are too imperfect to live without rules...[/quote'] Please tell me why Communism is wrong. Where is the ethical flaw in the theory of communism? There isn't an ethical flaw in the theory of communism. The flaw is it in practice. It just doesn't work well. Can everyone live in harmony under the government? The theory is fine, but it is flawed when implemented. The main flaw in communism is that it prohibits free and independent thought. Just like a fundamentalism or a theocracy only without a deity at the head of the propaganda. ^this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunk Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 because human brains want to control everything. in theory' date=' it would work perfectly, but humans are too imperfect to live without rules...[/quote'] Please tell me why Communism is wrong. Where is the ethical flaw in the theory of communism? There isn't an ethical flaw in the theory of communism. The flaw is it in practice. It just doesn't work well. Can everyone live in harmony under the government? The theory is fine, but it is flawed when implemented. The main flaw in communism is that it prohibits free and independent thought. Just like a fundamentalism or a theocracy only without a deity at the head of the propaganda. That, again, is a problem of humanity, not Communism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Poison Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 No there is nothing wrong with the theory of communism, it just doesn't work in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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