A suggestion, a comment, a formal demand. Something Important.

[Silas Angel]

Darth is not a bad Super =/ So you haven't seen him do anything since Alias Emporium... like 2 days ago? Maybe he's on vacation for a while. o.0

 

Anyways' date=' I agree with Kaze and DJ and you ought to add Crab =/

 

[b']What's wrong with Crab?[/b]

He doesn't do anything. =/ Proven by his time online along with all the crap that should be done, but isn't.

 

And I agree with Icy, the current mods ought to be promoted and most Supers must be demoted.

 

That's a bad idea, though. Most of the current Mods couldn't handle the responsibility of being Super Mods, as a lot of them aren't even active enough.

Then promote a user who could handle it. Good users too, like SaTuRnPaLaDiN. He knows exactly what needs to be done on these forums and he would do it.

[Guest Star]

Darth is not a bad Super =/ So you haven't seen him do anything since Alias Emporium... like 2 days ago? Maybe he's on vacation for a while. o.0

 

Anyways' date=' I agree with Kaze and DJ and you ought to add Crab =/

 

[b']What's wrong with Crab?[/b]

He doesn't do anything. =/ Proven by his time online along with all the crap that should be done, but isn't.

 

I'm not sure how often you're in the TCG Section, but Crab locks tons of topics each day. There are a lot of spammers in that section and Crab is always locking threads.

 

And I agree with Icy, the current mods ought to be promoted and most Supers must be demoted.

 

That's a bad idea, though. Most of the current Mods couldn't handle the responsibility of being Super Mods, as a lot of them aren't even active enough.

Then promote a user who could handle it. Good users too, like SaTuRnPaLaDiN. He knows exactly what needs to be done on these forums and he would do it.

 

It's not a good idea to promote a Normal Member to a Super Mod without first having them be a Moderator. That doesn't work either. What YCM needs is more Regular Moderators, not new Super Moderators.

[Sander]

Darth is not a bad Super =/ So you haven't seen him do anything since Alias Emporium... like 2 days ago? Maybe he's on vacation for a while. o.0

 

Anyways' date=' I agree with Kaze and DJ and you ought to add Crab =/

 

[b']What's wrong with Crab?[/b]

He doesn't do anything. =/ Proven by his time online along with all the crap that should be done, but isn't.

 

And I agree with Icy, the current mods ought to be promoted and most Supers must be demoted.

 

That's a bad idea, though. Most of the current Mods couldn't handle the responsibility of being Super Mods, as a lot of them aren't even active enough.

Then promote a user who could handle it. Good users too, like SaTuRnPaLaDiN. He knows exactly what needs to be done on these forums and he would do it.

 

Crab is fine with being a Super Moderator. At least he does more than God Kaze/Raver do anymore.

 

SaturnPaladin isn't a good choice for a mod/super mod. I don't know why, but he isn't. Period.

[Brushfire]

Chaos Pudding? No...

I'd rather see an existing mod be promoted.

 

And this is neither of those. This is common sense.

Although' date=' I can defend Browarod here.

 

He is always online for much of the day. But unfortunately for you, YCM is not where he is. But rather playing WoW, watching TV (while on IM), or dueling with me *snickers*. He also has a job and college. But when he does come online he does do much.

 

Ooh, and Crab Helmet is useless as a moderator at this point. All he does is belittle people on the boards, that is not setting his role right. He is not great by any means.

[/quote']

 

This.

And the Mods that should be promoted are Umbra and Icyblue.

 

However, CC does not have a higher demand for more Mods then General does. Frunk isn't even active, so the only person doing anything in General is Browa. And even after the creation of the Multimedia category, the General section is still one of the most popular sections (if not the most).

[CinnamonStar]

Crab is a pretty cool guy, he made the drinking game and makes me drunk and see unicorns and butterflies everywhere.

 

But seriously, Crab pulls off great jokes but for his position, he should know better.-.- Yeah he uses long, elaborate sentences and made some insightful comments and yes he’s funny too but look at it, I’ve never heard any complaints about members being pulled down at the point of feeling like totals retard by Darth, Kaze or DJ.

But I guess if you’re funny and popular, “epic” enough it compensates for everything else.

As for his intelligence, I don’t know. I’ve never met him IRL and doubt I ever will. I never believed that using big, elaborated sentences with a superiority complex on the Internet makes you intelligent or wise either.

 

Don’t take him off, there's no real reason for him to not be a super anymore, but please guys, don’t put him higher than he deserves to be either.

 

DJ got a full-time job (last time I heard of him) so he can’t be as active as before. I see him quite a lot on Facebook, though to drop a few lines once in a while you just need to log in occasionally, but if you ask me, especially considering his posts in the new awards thread, he doesn’t seem to enjoy the site very much anymore.

 

Kaze is/was GREAT as a super but I think we can all agree that he isn’t active enough. I wouldn’t take him off the list though. Promote someone else but keep him as a reinforcement. Because WHEN he gets on he’s doing a good job.;)

 

Darth is the best super right now, IMO.

 

 

Crab Helmet is one of the best Moderators on the Forum. He locks a lot of Topics' date=' he's not really uptight, so he lets things go sometimes (which is good because sometimes Mods can overreact to things), and a lot of his posts are insightful.[/quote']

 

The same applies to Flame Dragon, Umbra, Icy, Hunter, Yankee, Blood Rose, Hallelujah Haptism, Hioco, Tyrantking, JoC, Darth and everyone who didn’t disappear that I forgot to mention.

I guess if we go by that definition we’re really all teh sex.=D

 

 

I think rather than make new Super Mods' date=' there should be more mods for each section. Custom Cards has like three, so why not add more to other sections?[/quote']

 

Oh yeah we need 3 mods to lock topics like “Kill the Jonas Brothers”, “Lock this Fanfic please” or “LOOK AT MY CARDS – oh wait, it’s Graphics”.xD

Nah the only forums that need so many mods are CC and General. I agree that Your Deck needs someone (once JoC has stepped down) and TCG too but honestly, I’ve been lurking around both sections recently and they’re not exactly as horrible as some people think they are/try to make us believe. I say if we promote 1 or 2 mods for both it should be fine.

 

 

More Moderators would make this a safer Forum' date=' a more active, respectful community and bring out the good in everyone.[/quote']

 

No, more respectful members will make this a better community and bring out the good in everyone. Not pointed towards you Aki, but we just need to look at General. ._.

 

And if we go by your definition of activity, all the mods (except for TotalObelisk and Kaze) are very active.

I think someone is active when he spends more than just an hour on the site and logs in on various times of the day.

 

 

But honestly, I think we’re more in need for supers than regular mods. We got Hunter, Tyrantking and Flame Dragon for Movies now. That’s still not enough?

 

Cheers!:) *takes sip*

 

 

EDIT: And yes Saturn would be a possible candidate.

[Silas Angel]

If Crab does do anything, you're right, it is in TCG section. Then he ought to be demoted to the TCG mod.

 

Icy and Umbra, like Flame said, would be good choices to promote to Super.

 

SaturnPaladin deserves a mods spot. I don't know what your beef with him is, but he would be great in that position.

 

Kaze and DJ ought to be demoted to regular Mods, if not, regular members.

 

Although none of this probably won't actually happen, I thought I might as well say it.

 

That is my 2 cents on this subject. kthnxbai ;)

[Guest JoshIcy]

And that's why we wuvs you Raven.

[ihop]

Chaos Pudding? No...

I'd rather see an existing mod be promoted.

 

And this is neither of those. This is common sense.

Although' date=' I can defend Browarod here.

 

He is always online for much of the day. But unfortunately for you, YCM is not where he is. But rather playing WoW, watching TV (while on IM), or dueling with me *snickers*. He also has a job and college. But when he does come online he does do much.

 

Ooh, and Crab Helmet is useless as a moderator at this point. All he does is belittle people on the boards, that is not setting his role right. He is not great by any means.

[/quote']

 

This.

And the Mods that should be promoted are Umbra and Icyblue.

 

However, CC does not have a higher demand for more Mods then General does. Frunk isn't even active, so the only person doing anything in General is Browa. And even after the creation of the Multimedia category, the General section is still one of the most popular sections (if not the most).

I think the promoted mods should be Blood Rose, not Umbra, and yes, Icyblue is a good idea.

[Mehmani]

That is your opinion. I think we should have another Mod for General, and two new Super Mods.

[Guest JoshIcy]

That is your opinion. I think we should have another Mod for General' date=' and two new Super Mods.

[/quote']

 

This thread is also your opinion. And it is your thoughts.

[CrabHelmet]

I have a better idea: all moderators should be Super Moderators.

 

Seriously.

 

If a member is sufficiently trusted to have the ability to permaban any other member that he or she chooses, then there is no reason to withhold the ability from that member to lock topics that happen to be on a different section of the site. Once you hand someone a banhammer and control over one of the forums, there is no reason to restrict their power to a single section; to do so is akin to granting someone access to a machine gun and several hand grenades but denying them access to a handgun because they might shoot something.

 

In fact, local moderators already do this to some extent - they sometimes post in a thread in a forum where they lack moderation power and announce that the topic is defunct and will be locked as soon as possible, and that anyone who posts after they do will be warned/banned. This practice has never been deemed unacceptable, which means that the current system gives moderators the responsibility to act as Super Moderators, but not the power to do so. Such a discrepancy is completely unnecessary.

 

And disregarding the extension of where moderation powers are available, how do Super Moderators differ from moderators? I can think of only two differences off the top of my head:

 

1) Super Moderators cannot be warned.

 

2) Super Moderators can delete reps.

 

The former distinction is irrelevant, as any misconduct amongst the moderators is either minor enough that warns are unnecessary or major enough that warns cannot suffice; there is no middle ground when all the parties involved have banhammers. The latter distinction is irrelevant because the reputation system doesn't make a bit of difference to anything, and again, the power to ban is already far more important than the power to change the little green number displayed above each post that nobody in their right mind cares about.

 

I have raised this suggestion before in the moderator forum, where the responses, if I remember correctly, went through three phases:

 

1) "It might be abused". Refuted above; the ability to ban is enough abuse potential that expanding the range in which topics can be locked doesn't matter. If you give someone an atomic bomb, there's really no grounds for denying them a tank.

 

2) "Local moderators are better because they have a better understanding of local conventions and are best qualified to set local rules". A valid point, to be sure, but I see nothing wrong with having Super Moderators who happen to have closer affiliations with some forums than with others. Granting Super Moderator powers to all moderators does not sever their closer ties to their forums; rather, it simply gives them the authority to act outside of their own narrow range. I lock topics in most forums, but I still have the heaviest concentration in TCG and set the ground rules there; I see no reason why the same could not occur with all other moderators.

 

3) Nothing. Because here at YCM, the best one can hope for with an idea is for everyone to nod and say it sounds good... and for that idea to then fade away and be forgotten with nothing ever happening.

 

Beyond the challenge of actually effecting any sort of change at the ever-inert YCM, I honestly cannot think of any logical reason why local moderators should be denied Super Moderator abilities.

 

(In response to a post made earlier about most local moderators not being able to handle the responsibility: the responsibility gap isn't that big, and furthermore, a greater influx of Super Moderators results in a smaller increase in responsibility, and thus making a large number of Super Moderators becomes, by that very "difficulty" argument, the best thing to do.)

 

In short: Promote all the moderators. It is the rational course of action.

 

This thread has derailed to a considerable extent into a discussion about me, which is rather unfortunate in that, whereas which promotions would best solve understaffing problems is highly debatable, the one thing that is guaranteed to merely make things worse is the implementation of demotions; as such, the high ratio of the effort spent on debating whether I am Jesus or Faust to the effort spent on contemplating productive methods to improve the site does not reflect well on anyone involved, on either side. (And the biggest joke is that, in the end, it doesn't even matter; I'm going off to university when September comes and will be relatively inactive thereafter, and I will be gone for two weeks later this summer as well - thus, anything about me could only possibly have a month of actual effect anyhow.) As such, I will say no more on the matter than that I am exactly the same today as I have always been, and suggest that we turn our attention to the topic of giving all moderators the powers of Super Moderators - and perhaps of inducting a few completely new moderators (i.e. Super Moderators) in the process.

[Brushfire]

^

Didn't Browa, Icy and I already destroy that idea when you suggested it before?

[Huntar!]

First thing's first. Brow is a great super mod. He has a life outside of the internet though, so you need to accept this. Ever notice that all super mods are 18+ in age? (idk about crab) They have lives, jobs, and they cant be on constantly.

 

Now about Super mods, Icy clearly stated on multiple occasions that he doesn't want to be a super moderator. I honestly can see Umbra doing it. I think he'd do a good job as one.

 

Yes, inactive moderators such as TotalObelisk, J-Max, God Kaze, Glasstin, and JoC should be sent to the Former Moderator group.

 

We are in need of a few General Mods, a few TCG/Your Deck mods, and that should be good.

 

Now on to Crab's post. Yes, regular moderators do have the authority to act as a global/super moderators but not the actual power, but I dont think we need to have 15 super moderators running around. Then there wouldn't be a need for half the moderators.

 

Oh, and then we'd have other mods trying to run eachother's respective sections, which would easily create problems and disagreements. If this would happen, these new powers would only be used when the moderator of that forum is not on and something thats going out of control is happening. Like in the general section.

[CrabHelmet]

^

Didn't Browa' date=' Icy and I already destroy that idea when you suggested it before?

[/quote']

 

I don't remember you even saying anything last time this came up.

 

Browa and Icy's argument amounted to "I would destroy the balance between the different moderator levels" and "You might at some point in the future hire someone bad and then it would be bad". The former argument doesn't make sense because of concentrations and because having separate tiers is unnecessary; the latter argument doesn't make sense because because, if you give someone who is Chaotic Evil a banhammer and control of a quarter of the site, he'll already be able to cause enough trouble anyhow. (Browa compared it to Draco, which makes no sense considering that the Draco incident was based on DRAMA rather than on any form of power.)

 

Now on to Crab's post. Yes' date=' regular moderators do have the authority to act as a global/super moderators but not the actual power, but I dont think we need to have 15 super moderators running around. Then there wouldn't be a need for half the moderators.

[/quote']

 

Really? You are saying that we are actually hideously overstaffed, and that the reverse only seems true because of the current organization. An organization that causes that effect is truly terrible.

 

Oh' date=' and then we'd have other mods trying to run eachother's respective sections, which would easily create problems and disagreements. If this would happen, these new powers would only be used when the moderator of that forum is not on and something thats going out of control is happening. Like in the general section.

[/quote']

 

1. Concentrations. See above.

2. I'm assuming we're not going to promote mute deaf five-year-olds to the moderator position, and as long as we avoid such a possibility, a little thing called TALKING handles the disputes you foresee.

 

Ever notice that all super mods are 18+ in age? (idk about crab)

 

I'm 17; I was 16 when I was made a Super.

[Silas Angel]

Well, Crab raises a good point. Another option would be to remove the banhammer from regular Mods. =/

[Mehmani]

Well' date=' Crab raises a good point. Another option would be to remove the banhammer from regular Mods. =/

[/quote']

 

NO. For several reasons, no.

If normal Mods can't ban, that means countless people will get away with things.

Imagine that 'Jishin:/Enigma' posted a thread in Custom Cards.

No. 1: Icyblue, Hunter, and all other CC Mods couldn't say s*it about it. They could lock the topic, but Jishin could easily repost it and spam.

No. 2: There are only Four Supers, and I'd say that one comes on every day. And they might not look at CC, which means Jishin's spam would stay until a Super comes online AND looks in CC..........

No. 3: .............which could take days.

[Brushfire]

^

Didn't Browa' date=' Icy and I already destroy that idea when you suggested it before?

[/quote']

 

I don't remember you even saying anything last time this came up.

 

Browa and Icy's argument amounted to "I would destroy the balance between the different moderator levels" and "You might at some point in the future hire someone bad and then it would be bad". The former argument doesn't make sense because of concentrations and because having separate tiers is unnecessary; the latter argument doesn't make sense because because, if you give someone who is Chaotic Evil a banhammer and control of a quarter of the site, he'll already be able to cause enough trouble anyhow. (Browa compared it to Draco, which makes no sense considering that the Draco incident was based on DRAMA rather than on any form of power.)

 

Well it was posted in the Mod Forum, I couldn't say anything directly. Everything I said was said through Browa (meaning, Browa's arguments were mine).

[Silas Angel]

Well' date=' Crab raises a good point. Another option would be to remove the banhammer from regular Mods. =/

[/quote']

 

NO. For several reasons, no.

If normal Mods can't ban, that means countless people will get away with things.

Imagine that 'Jishin:/Enigma' posted a thread in Custom Cards.

No. 1: Icyblue, Hunter, and all other CC Mods couldn't say s*it about it. They could lock the topic, but Jishin could easily repost it and spam.

No. 2: There are only Four Supers, and I'd say that one comes on every day. And they might not look at CC, which means Jishin's spam would stay until a Super comes online AND looks in CC..........

No. 3: .............which could take days.

 

Normal Mods could still warn members though =/

[Womi]

Well' date=' Crab raises a good point. Another option would be to remove the banhammer from regular Mods. =/

[/quote']

 

NO. For several reasons, no.

If normal Mods can't ban, that means countless people will get away with things.

Imagine that 'Jishin:/Enigma' posted a thread in Custom Cards.

No. 1: Icyblue, Hunter, and all other CC Mods couldn't say s*it about it. They could lock the topic, but Jishin could easily repost it and spam.

No. 2: There are only Four Supers, and I'd say that one comes on every day. And they might not look at CC, which means Jishin's spam would stay until a Super comes online AND looks in CC..........

No. 3: .............which could take days.

 

Normal Mods could still warn members though =/

pointless.

The banhammer is what mods make mods. Point 3 says the rest. But I think that Paladin is a VERY good choice for a mod, because he is friendly, but respected and strong. He is old enough to handle with problems and I can't think of an issue he couldn't solve.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Well' date=' Crab raises a good point. Another option would be to remove the banhammer from regular Mods. =/

[/quote']

 

NO. For several reasons, no.

If normal Mods can't ban, that means countless people will get away with things.

Imagine that 'Jishin:/Enigma' posted a thread in Custom Cards.

No. 1: Icyblue, Hunter, and all other CC Mods couldn't say s*it about it. They could lock the topic, but Jishin could easily repost it and spam.

No. 2: There are only Four Supers, and I'd say that one comes on every day. And they might not look at CC, which means Jishin's spam would stay until a Super comes online AND looks in CC..........

No. 3: .............which could take days.

 

Normal Mods could still warn members though =/

pointless.

The banhammer is what mods make mods. Point 3 says the rest. But I think that Paladin is a VERY good choice for a mod, because he is friendly, but respected and strong. He is old enough to handle with problems and I can't think of an issue he couldn't solve.

 

Trust me when I say, that's a bad move on everyones part. Including his.

[Womi]

Well' date=' Crab raises a good point. Another option would be to remove the banhammer from regular Mods. =/

[/quote']

 

NO. For several reasons, no.

If normal Mods can't ban, that means countless people will get away with things.

Imagine that 'Jishin:/Enigma' posted a thread in Custom Cards.

No. 1: Icyblue, Hunter, and all other CC Mods couldn't say s*it about it. They could lock the topic, but Jishin could easily repost it and spam.

No. 2: There are only Four Supers, and I'd say that one comes on every day. And they might not look at CC, which means Jishin's spam would stay until a Super comes online AND looks in CC..........

No. 3: .............which could take days.

 

Normal Mods could still warn members though =/

pointless.

The banhammer is what mods make mods. Point 3 says the rest. But I think that Paladin is a VERY good choice for a mod, because he is friendly, but respected and strong. He is old enough to handle with problems and I can't think of an issue he couldn't solve.

 

Trust me when I say, that's a bad move on everyones part. Including his.

Fine. You've got the experience, I've got the smex. xP

jk

You know what you're talking about.....*cough*....yes.

[40kendgame]

100% support. More mods are needed on this forum, especially in the Fan Fiction, Role Play, and General forums. Those have the most spam (Thank God for Crab Helmet, even though he does take his job light (in a good way)), and the least cover. And it's not just spam. I have seen abuse and flaming all over the forum, even though the mods are trying their best to stop it. They just aren't able to cover all those posts.

[Saturn of Elemia]

Well' date=' Crab raises a good point. Another option would be to remove the banhammer from regular Mods. =/

[/quote']

 

NO. For several reasons, no.

If normal Mods can't ban, that means countless people will get away with things.

Imagine that 'Jishin:/Enigma' posted a thread in Custom Cards.

No. 1: Icyblue, Hunter, and all other CC Mods couldn't say s*it about it. They could lock the topic, but Jishin could easily repost it and spam.

No. 2: There are only Four Supers, and I'd say that one comes on every day. And they might not look at CC, which means Jishin's spam would stay until a Super comes online AND looks in CC..........

No. 3: .............which could take days.

 

Normal Mods could still warn members though =/

pointless.

The banhammer is what mods make mods. Point 3 says the rest. But I think that Paladin is a VERY good choice for a mod, because he is friendly, but respected and strong. He is old enough to handle with problems and I can't think of an issue he couldn't solve.

 

Trust me when I say, that's a bad move on everyones part. Including his.

Fine. You've got the experience, I've got the smex. xP

jk

You know what you're talking about.....*cough*....yes.

 

I just couldn't help but laugh at WiiOmi and Icyblue's comments. Seriously...

 

We DO need more Super Mods. It's a bit ridiculous...

[CrabHelmet]

As a corollary to what I said above: Removing moderator powers from the inactive Super Moderators merely acts to our detriment; if they are offline, their accounts' statuses are irrelevant, and if they ever happen to be online, we would rather be capable of making use of their services.

 

Well it was posted in the Mod Forum' date=' I couldn't say anything directly. Everything I said was said through Browa (meaning, Browa's arguments were mine).

[/quote']

 

Ah, of course.

 

Will you at least admit that, though there could perhaps be a danger of hiring someone who might abuse Super Moderator powers in the future (and we'll assume for argument's sake that mere normal moderator powers are somehow not a problem in such a person's hands, and that YCMaker/Pizza would actually make such a ludicrously grave error of judgment), at the very least the current moderator staff has proven themselves not to be Chaotic Evil? In other words, even if you and those in agreement with you do not support the fundamental abolition of the local moderator position, will you at least support promoting all of those currently occupying said position to Super Moderators? Even Browarod said that such a change would be excellent and that only future hiring practices might lead to some sort of problem.

 

Well' date=' Crab raises a good point. Another option would be to remove the banhammer from regular Mods. =/

[/quote']

 

Again, removing power from the existing moderators is the last thing we want.

 

Normal Mods could still warn members though =/

 

That is a contradiction. Warns, when they accumulate to 100%, automatically generate a 3-day ban. To be unable to ban, a moderator must also be unable to warn. A moderator capable neither of banning nor of warning possesses far too little power to be effective. Presumably, it could be possible to remove the automatic ban from the warning system, but that would just make warns even more useless than they currently are, and is certainly not worthwhile for this purpose.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Crabs...

I have but one question.

 

What would happen to the supposed "Global-Mods" who get promoted, and end up taking their power too far. Instead of just cleaning up a section, that does not belong to them (such as me and Hunter. We would not want some super, or moderator from another section interfering with our mod styles and rules).

 

What happens to the Mods who step out of line, when it is not their place?

Would that mean you and Darth get the ability to ban/demote said new supers?