God AND the Big Bang

[Womi]

No, thats not. But if you maybe read, in a big part of the above posts, god is considered as "he". And "he" is, AFAIK, a word you use for males.

[Silas Angel]

Unfortunately' date=' yes.

But I'm referring to the "creator"-god.

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I don't think anyone believes in creationism anymore. I do =/

And I'm pretty sure the Bible never says that God has a flowing white beard. Christ in Revelation

In fact, I'm pretty sure it doesn't state a gender in the original Hebrew writing. God is shown in a fatherly light (the patriarch), but it never comes out and says "God's a dude". Give me a few for this one... I'll find it ;)

[OMGAKITTY]

Unfortunately' date=' yes.

But I'm referring to the "creator"-god.

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I don't think anyone believes in creationism anymore. I do =/

And I'm pretty sure the Bible never says that God has a flowing white beard. Christ in Revelation

In fact, I'm pretty sure it doesn't state a gender in the original Hebrew writing. God is shown in a fatherly light (the patriarch), but it never comes out and says "God's a dude". Give me a few for this one... I'll find it ;)

 

verse or it didn't happen.

[The Dark One]

< There r 2 things wrong with that theory...

 

1. The Universe is still expanding' date=' and therefore, had a beginning and is not infinite.

2. If the Universe had a beginning, there must also be an end.

 

The only things that still confuse scientists are...

 

1. What happened at the exact moment the Universe was created.

2. What existed before the creation of the Universe.

3. What will exist after the Universe ends.

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You're wrong. There is no such thing as a before or after in regards to the universe, as those are concepts of time, which is simply the 4th dimension of this universe. Outside of that, time becomes a meaningless abstract.

 

However, one theory does propose that the universe perpetually expands and then collapses, resulting in an infinite number of big bangs.

[Exiro]

I don't think anyone believes in creationism anymore.

 

Really?

Out of the 6,9 billion, you thought NOBODY believes in creationism anymore?

[The Dark One]

I don't think anyone believes in creationism anymore.

 

Really?

Out of the 6' date='9 billion, you thought NOBODY believes in creationism anymore?

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I know quite a few creationists. Every one of them is a fool. It's astounding how dumb Americans can be. (And they are Americans after all, so I don't exactly have high expectations in the first place.)

[OMGAKITTY]

I don't think anyone believes in creationism anymore.

 

Really?

Out of the 6' date='9 billion, you thought NOBODY believes in creationism anymore?

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I know quite a few creationists. Every one of them is a fool. It's astounding how dumb Americans can be. (And they are Americans after all, so I don't exactly have high expectations in the first place.)

 

Excuse me, anyone with an education.

[Flinsbon]

You're wrong. There is no such thing as a before or after in regards to the universe' date=' as those are concepts of time, which is simply the 4th dimension of this universe. Outside of that, time becomes a meaningless abstract.

 

However, one theory does propose that the universe perpetually expands and then collapses, resulting in an infinite number of big bangs.

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Scientists have decided that that is not quite correct. They now believe that space and time are not separate, but are 1 in the same as spacetime. You can't have 1 without the other. When 1 ends, the other will as well.

 

Think of it this way, if I wanted to meet you, what 2 pieces of info would you need? You would need a time and a place. Otherwise, you are totally lost. If i told u "meet me at 7-11," then u would not know what time. If i told u "meet me at 7:00 tonight," you wouldn't know where to go. Now if you combine space and time, then you can meet me as i would say "meet me at 7-11 tonight at 7:00."

[Guest JoshIcy]

I don't think anyone believes in creationism anymore.

 

Really?

Out of the 6' date='9 billion, you thought NOBODY believes in creationism anymore?

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I know quite a few creationists. Every one of them is a fool. It's astounding how dumb Americans can be. (And they are Americans after all, so I don't exactly have high expectations in the first place.)

 

Creationism is an assumption based on what is not known.

(That other one) is an assumption based on what can be observed.

 

But they are both theories. None is more true that the other. It's based on the person.

You sir/ma'am are the fool. And Americans have nothing to do with it.

 

You morons (most people who post in this thread), watch your words now.

[Flinsbon]

If the Big Bang theory is correct' date=' then there had to have been a reason that the original dense point of matter exploded into the universe and scientists are not sure what it is. I think this is exactly where God fits in. [b']He[/b] made it blow up.

 

Did you really consider god as "he"? Do you all think there is a grandpa with white beard sitting in the clouds, who points with the finger at a spot on earth and says "TREE!" and a tree grows? I think, if this oh so great god exists, its some kind of energy, no being which can think and speak. Especially not a human language. Oh please. :roll:

 

'God' has a wider definition that just that.

 

I believe that Christians like myself refer to God as "He" because Jesus was a man. We still know that He's beyond our understanding and can't be human. It's just easier to imagine Him and refer to Him as a human male.

[Silas Angel]

If the Big Bang theory is correct' date=' then there had to have been a reason that the original dense point of matter exploded into the universe and scientists are not sure what it is. I think this is exactly where God fits in. [b']He[/b] made it blow up.

 

Did you really consider god as "he"? Do you all think there is a grandpa with white beard sitting in the clouds, who points with the finger at a spot on earth and says "TREE!" and a tree grows? I think, if this oh so great god exists, its some kind of energy, no being which can think and speak. Especially not a human language. Oh please. :roll:

 

'God' has a wider definition that just that.

 

I believe that Christians like myself refer to God as "He" because Jesus was a man. We still know that He's beyond our understanding and can't be human. It's just easier to imagine Him and refer to Him as a human male.

 

Bold- The contradicting words. What exactly do you mean?

[Raelen]

God did more than just cause a giant explosion, like the "Big Bang" to create the universe. In Genesis, it shows how God thought out the whole process of creation. None of creation was created by accident or pure chance.

God created the universe and all creation carefully. As it says in Psalm 139:14, "I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well."

[Womi]

The Bible is just a book!

You dont know which books are hidden in the deepest chambers of the Vaticane. The bible is just a LITTLE part of all the scripts. We dont know the secrets.

[Tormented]

Thesse type of threads allways seem to conjure all the time anyhow, well of course god may have exisited but then what stopped people believing in wizards and Necromancers, the big bang was a sort of explosion which suppousedly happend millions of years ago, which was thought up by some guy called Georges Lemaître, who sugested that thousands of galaxies which where created in seconds and has been techincally proven by scientiffic observations etc but their could be someone who made The big bang happen?

 

I'm not exactly sure.

[The Dark One]

I don't think anyone believes in creationism anymore.

 

Really?

Out of the 6' date='9 billion, you thought NOBODY believes in creationism anymore?

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I know quite a few creationists. Every one of them is a fool. It's astounding how dumb Americans can be. (And they are Americans after all, so I don't exactly have high expectations in the first place.)

 

Creationism is an assumption based on what is not known.

(That other one) is an assumption based on what can be observed.

 

But they are both theories. None is more true that the other. It's based on the person.

You sir/ma'am are the fool. And Americans have nothing to do with it.

 

You morons (most people who post in this thread), watch your words now.

 

No.

 

One is a scientific theory. Go look it up. In science, we call what you would call a theory a hypothesis, and even that has a certain level of backing evidence in either a direct or indirect manner, enough so that it was hypothesized to begin with.

 

Only after rigorous testing is something named a theory. Of course, theories can be wrong, because human perception is flawed, but to label a valid scientific theory with an extraordinary level of evidence, upon which an entire science (that of biology) has been built as being on the same par as a wild conjecture thought up thousands of years ago without that supporting evidence and rigorous testing is beyond foolish. Creationism is NOT true science.

 

This being said, both are equal in the sense that everything one experiences is subject to error due to the impossibility of proving one's senses, the basis of a person's reality, to be accurate. You could be hallucinating, or dreaming, or insane, and just never realize it. The scientists who have rigorously tested the theory of evolution and created supporting evidence might never have even existed. The entire concept of evolution could simply be a defect in my memory. I could be experiencing an entirely different reality from you and never realize it.

 

That's the basis of subjectivism, but bringing that into the discussion is useless, because in order to live somewhat sensibly, we just have to make the assumption that we are perceiving the world around us at least somewhat accurately. From there we can build up the evidence that structures everything we decide.

 

So, I must return the threat of foolishness to you, I'm afraid.

 

And yes, America has a highly flawed education system, and more importantly a culture in which it is standard to view America, and the things that make up the American experience, as greater than other places in the world. That extends to our religions. But that was not an important concept in my previous post, so I do not wish to discuss it further.

[Flinsbon]

I believe that Christians like myself refer to God as "He" because Jesus was a man. We still know that He's beyond our understanding and can't be human. It's just easier to imagine Him and refer to Him as a human male.

 

Bold- The contradicting words. What exactly do you mean?

 

When referring to God, "He" is also a proper noun. Therefore, the second sentence refers to God, not Jesus. Then again, Jesus is God's human form so i don't know. =/ Anyway, your first bold is referring to Jesus while the second refers to God.

[Exiro]

If the Big Bang theory is correct' date=' then there had to have been a reason that the original dense point of matter exploded into the universe and scientists are not sure what it is. I think this is exactly where God fits in. [b']He[/b] made it blow up.

 

Did you really consider god as "he"? Do you all think there is a grandpa with white beard sitting in the clouds, who points with the finger at a spot on earth and says "TREE!" and a tree grows? I think, if this oh so great god exists, its some kind of energy, no being which can think and speak. Especially not a human language. Oh please. :roll:

 

'God' has a wider definition that just that.

 

I believe that Christians like myself refer to God as "He" because Jesus was a man. We still know that He's beyond our understanding and can't be human. It's just easier to imagine Him and refer to Him as a human male.

 

Still, 'God' has a wider definition.

 

 

God did more than just cause a giant explosion' date=' like the "Big Bang" to create the universe. In Genesis, it shows how God thought out the whole process of creation. None of creation was created by accident or pure chance.

God created the universe and all creation carefully. As it says in Psalm 139:14, "I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well."

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Irrelevant much?

[Raelen]

 

God did more than just cause a giant explosion' date=' like the "Big Bang" to create the universe. In Genesis, it shows how God thought out the whole process of creation. None of creation was created by accident or pure chance.

God created the universe and all creation carefully. As it says in Psalm 139:14, "I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well."

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Irrelevant much?

 

I believe I addressed the topic at hand. Believing in both God and the Big Bang means that you think that God created the universe by complete chance, not by carefully creating each individual creation with care.

I illustrated that, in Genesis it shows that God created everything carefully and did not cause a giant explosion to randomly create the universe.

I was 100% on topic. If anything, most of the other people here are off topic, debating over whether God should be referred to as a "He" or not. I was addressing the original topic.

[Flinsbon]

Who says the result of the Big Bang was random? To us it may have seemed random, but God may have planned everything out beforehand.

[OMGAKITTY]

 

God did more than just cause a giant explosion' date=' like the "Big Bang" to create the universe. In Genesis, it shows how God thought out the whole process of creation. None of creation was created by accident or pure chance.

God created the universe and all creation carefully. As it says in Psalm 139:14, "I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well."

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Irrelevant much?

 

I believe I addressed the topic at hand. Believing in both God and the Big Bang means that you think that God created the universe by complete chance, not by carefully creating each individual creation with care.

I illustrated that, in Genesis it shows that God created everything carefully and did not cause a giant explosion to randomly create the universe.

I was 100% on topic. If anything, most of the other people here are off topic, debating over whether God should be referred to as a "He" or not. I was addressing the original topic.

 

False. Just because it may have happened by explosion does not mean in anyway that God just "randomly" blew the universe into existence. Look at demolition teams: they blow up buildings, but do they just throw dynamite in at random points and hope it will work out? No, careful planning used to place each piece of dynamite at a specific location, so that when the explosion happens, the result is as desired.

[Raelen]

 

God did more than just cause a giant explosion' date=' like the "Big Bang" to create the universe. In Genesis, it shows how God thought out the whole process of creation. None of creation was created by accident or pure chance.

God created the universe and all creation carefully. As it says in Psalm 139:14, "I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well."

[/quote']

 

Irrelevant much?

 

I believe I addressed the topic at hand. Believing in both God and the Big Bang means that you think that God created the universe by complete chance, not by carefully creating each individual creation with care.

I illustrated that, in Genesis it shows that God created everything carefully and did not cause a giant explosion to randomly create the universe.

I was 100% on topic. If anything, most of the other people here are off topic, debating over whether God should be referred to as a "He" or not. I was addressing the original topic.

 

False. Just because it may have happened by explosion does not mean in anyway that God just "randomly" blew the universe into existence. Look at demolition teams: they blow up buildings, but do they just throw dynamite in at random points and hope it will work out? No, careful planning used to place each piece of dynamite at a specific location, so that when the explosion happens, the result is as desired.

 

God is close to us. God loves humans and would want to create us and the universe with his hands, not from afar with a giant explosion. I imagine God would put more care into his handiwork than that. He is the type of God who would want to create us with his own hands and with care.

Also, your demolition team idea may not be the best. Demolition teams destroy and we're talking about God creating the universe. You do not explode a building into existence, you hammer in the nails, you glue the bricks together, you build a building with your hands. I believe that is how God created the universe, with His own hands.

[OMGAKITTY]

You missed the point of my analogy. I was saying just because its an explosion, does not mean that care and planning did not go into it.

[HORUS]

I propose that everyone in this thread read both the Bible and actual information about the Big Bang theory and make a more informed post in favour of the Big Bang theory.

[Flame Dragon]

@.:Raelen//:Solo:.

 

Please tell me. Were their dinos in the Genesis world?

 

 

I do believe in the Big Bang, but when I reach the point of "matters has always been" or "God" I pick God because it gives me something to hope in, and that is all religion is. Hope for some thing better.

[OMGAKITTY]

@.:Raelen//:Solo:.

 

Please tell me. Were their dinos in the Genesis world?

 

 

I do believe in the Big Bang' date=' but when I reach the point of "matters has always been" or "God" I pick God because it gives me something to hope in, and that is all religion is. Hope for some thing better.

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There's a time skip somewhere in Genesis where its commonly believed that the Dinosaurs were. Too lazy to go look it up.