God AND the Big Bang

[Flame Dragon]

@.:Raelen//:Solo:.

 

Please tell me. Were their dinos in the Genesis world?

 

 

I do believe in the Big Bang' date=' but when I reach the point of "matters has always been" or "God" I pick God because it gives me something to hope in, and that is all religion is. Hope for some thing better.

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There's a time skip somewhere in Genesis where its commonly believed that the Dinosaurs were. Too lazy to go look it up.

But this would still mean that they were on earth at the same time as every other animal. If this is the case then why is it only some bones are found in different layers of the earth. Also why is it carbon dating says the earth to be billions of years old? Based on the bible it's around 5000.

[OMGAKITTY]

@.:Raelen//:Solo:.

 

Please tell me. Were their dinos in the Genesis world?

 

 

I do believe in the Big Bang' date=' but when I reach the point of "matters has always been" or "God" I pick God because it gives me something to hope in, and that is all religion is. Hope for some thing better.

[/quote']

 

There's a time skip somewhere in Genesis where its commonly believed that the Dinosaurs were. Too lazy to go look it up.

But this would still mean that they were on earth at the same time as every other animal. If this is the case then why is it only some bones are found in different layers of the earth. Also why is it carbon dating says the earth to be billions of years old? Based on the bible it's around 5000.

 

Fundamentalist beliefs. Whose to say God's day is 24 hours long? Revelations details things in weeks, although each day in that week is supposed to be a year, or something >_>

[Flame Dragon]

@.:Raelen//:Solo:.

 

Please tell me. Were their dinos in the Genesis world?

 

 

I do believe in the Big Bang' date=' but when I reach the point of "matters has always been" or "God" I pick God because it gives me something to hope in, and that is all religion is. Hope for some thing better.

[/quote']

 

There's a time skip somewhere in Genesis where its commonly believed that the Dinosaurs were. Too lazy to go look it up.

But this would still mean that they were on earth at the same time as every other animal. If this is the case then why is it only some bones are found in different layers of the earth. Also why is it carbon dating says the earth to be billions of years old? Based on the bible it's around 5000.

 

Fundamentalist beliefs. Whose to say God's day is 24 hours long? Revelations details things in weeks, although each day in that week is supposed to be a year, or something >_>

That's kind of the point. Genesis was written for it's effect and to teach people. Had it said, On the first billion years it would loss a lot of it's power. Besides if 1 day=1 year that still about 5000 years. No where near the true scale.

[Fay D. Flourite]

I propose that everyone in this thread read both the Bible and actual information about the Big Bang theory and make a more informed post in favour of the Big Bang theory.

 

Im only gonna say one thing on the topic then I'm out.

 

In the Big Bang theory, there were gasses to start things out. Theres the problem right there. How did those gasses get there? Gas just doesn't appear out of nothing there are even scientific laws that state that nothing can just appear. This means that something or someone had to have made them. And if it was a something, again something or someone had to have made it. And it continues like that until you reach the final material that made it, someONE had to have made that 1 material that started it all.

 

There is my input I will leave it to you to figure it out.

[Raelen]

@.:Raelen//:Solo:.

 

Please tell me. Were their dinos in the Genesis world?

 

 

I do believe in the Big Bang' date=' but when I reach the point of "matters has always been" or "God" I pick God because it gives me something to hope in, and that is all religion is. Hope for some thing better.

[/quote']

 

There probably was, although all of the kid Bibles show giraffes and elephants and what not. I'm not exactly an expert on Genesis myself, although I have some ideas about it.

About your statement about carbon dating. Carbon dating is pretty accurate until a certain time period.

[Flame Dragon]

@.:Raelen//:Solo:.

 

Please tell me. Were their dinos in the Genesis world?

 

 

I do believe in the Big Bang' date=' but when I reach the point of "matters has always been" or "God" I pick God because it gives me something to hope in, and that is all religion is. Hope for some thing better.

[/quote']

 

There probably was, although all of the kid Bibles show giraffes and elephants and what not. I'm not exactly an expert on Genesis myself, although I have some ideas about it.

About your statement about carbon dating. Carbon dating is pretty accurate until a certain time period.

 

If their were do you think that the creature alive today would be. Dino are as big as buildings other animal would be crushed or eaten by them.

 

Carbon dating works on things to about 60,000 years. That is 12x the age of the earth based on Genesis.

[OMGAKITTY]

@.:Raelen//:Solo:.

 

Please tell me. Were their dinos in the Genesis world?

 

 

I do believe in the Big Bang' date=' but when I reach the point of "matters has always been" or "God" I pick God because it gives me something to hope in, and that is all religion is. Hope for some thing better.

[/quote']

 

There probably was, although all of the kid Bibles show giraffes and elephants and what not. I'm not exactly an expert on Genesis myself, although I have some ideas about it.

About your statement about carbon dating. Carbon dating is pretty accurate until a certain time period.

 

If their were do you think that the creature alive today would be. Dino are as big as buildings other animal would be crushed or eaten by them.

 

Carbon dating works on things to about 60,000 years. That is 30x the age of the earth based on Genesis.

 

That's faulty logic. There have been fossils of dinosaurs the size of chickens. Just because there are large animals, doesn't mean that smaller ones can't survive.

[Flame Dragon]

@.:Raelen//:Solo:.

 

Please tell me. Were their dinos in the Genesis world?

 

 

I do believe in the Big Bang' date=' but when I reach the point of "matters has always been" or "God" I pick God because it gives me something to hope in, and that is all religion is. Hope for some thing better.

[/quote']

 

There probably was, although all of the kid Bibles show giraffes and elephants and what not. I'm not exactly an expert on Genesis myself, although I have some ideas about it.

About your statement about carbon dating. Carbon dating is pretty accurate until a certain time period.

 

If their were do you think that the creature alive today would be. Dino are as big as buildings other animal would be crushed or eaten by them.

 

Carbon dating works on things to about 60,000 years. That is 12x the age of the earth based on Genesis.

 

That's faulty logic. There have been fossils of dinosaurs the size of chickens. Just because there are large animals, doesn't mean that smaller ones can't survive.

 

Most of the smaller creatures lived in areas where they had some form of cover and protection from the larger animals, most of the time it was in a forest or underground. Not living in one of those two places would make life much harder.

[OMGAKITTY]

@.:Raelen//:Solo:.

 

Please tell me. Were their dinos in the Genesis world?

 

 

I do believe in the Big Bang' date=' but when I reach the point of "matters has always been" or "God" I pick God because it gives me something to hope in, and that is all religion is. Hope for some thing better.

[/quote']

 

There probably was, although all of the kid Bibles show giraffes and elephants and what not. I'm not exactly an expert on Genesis myself, although I have some ideas about it.

About your statement about carbon dating. Carbon dating is pretty accurate until a certain time period.

 

If their were do you think that the creature alive today would be. Dino are as big as buildings other animal would be crushed or eaten by them.

 

Carbon dating works on things to about 60,000 years. That is 30x the age of the earth based on Genesis.

 

That's faulty logic. There have been fossils of dinosaurs the size of chickens. Just because there are large animals, doesn't mean that smaller ones can't survive.

 

Most of the smaller creatures lived in areas where they had some form of cover and protection from the larger animals, most of the time it was in a forest or underground. Not living in one of those two places would make life much harder.

 

But not impossible.

[Flame Dragon]

@.:Raelen//:Solo:.

 

Please tell me. Were their dinos in the Genesis world?

 

 

I do believe in the Big Bang' date=' but when I reach the point of "matters has always been" or "God" I pick God because it gives me something to hope in, and that is all religion is. Hope for some thing better.

[/quote']

 

There probably was, although all of the kid Bibles show giraffes and elephants and what not. I'm not exactly an expert on Genesis myself, although I have some ideas about it.

About your statement about carbon dating. Carbon dating is pretty accurate until a certain time period.

 

If their were do you think that the creature alive today would be. Dino are as big as buildings other animal would be crushed or eaten by them.

 

Carbon dating works on things to about 60,000 years. That is 12x the age of the earth based on Genesis.

 

That's faulty logic. There have been fossils of dinosaurs the size of chickens. Just because there are large animals, doesn't mean that smaller ones can't survive.

 

Most of the smaller creatures lived in areas where they had some form of cover and protection from the larger animals, most of the time it was in a forest or underground. Not living in one of those two places would make life much harder.

 

But not impossible.

 

It wouldn't be for some. However some creatures that we have alive today could have easily died out because they were unable to compitete with the dinosaurs.

[Dark]

Anyone who believes science and Christianity are opposites' date=' is clearly ignorant on at least one of the subjects.

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Beat me to it.

 

I propose that everyone in this thread read both the Bible and actual information about the Big Bang theory and make a more informed post in favour of the Big Bang theory.

 

lol' date=' i luv ur posts

 

@.:Raelen//:Solo:.

 

Please tell me. Were their dinos in the Genesis world?

 

 

I do believe in the Big Bang, but when I reach the point of "matters has always been" or "God" I pick God because it gives me something to hope in, and that is all religion is. Hope for some thing better.

 

The problem is, hope changes nothing.

 

Imagine a die. This is a world without humans, and the only objects are a die and a lone table. For some reason, the die rolls itself. The odds of it landing on 4 (assuming a random roll)? 1/6

 

Imagine a world with God.

 

God comes along. He want's it to land on four. In fact, he uses every bit of power he has (infinite power) to make it land on four. The odds of it landing on 4? 1/6

 

Imagine a world with God and humans.

 

Then Flame Dragon comes along. If the die does not land on four, his family will die. He loves his family. He prays and hopes and believes (sp?) with all his might that it will land on 4. He gets a false sense of confidence. The odds? 1/6

 

Hoping and praying and believing will change nothing, so believing in God is therefore irrational.

[Exiro]

Anyone who believes science and Christianity are opposites' date=' is clearly ignorant on at least one of the subjects.

[/quote']

 

Beat me to it.

 

I propose that everyone in this thread read both the Bible and actual information about the Big Bang theory and make a more informed post in favour of the Big Bang theory.

 

lol' date=' i luv ur posts

 

@.:Raelen//:Solo:.

 

Please tell me. Were their dinos in the Genesis world?

 

 

I do believe in the Big Bang, but when I reach the point of "matters has always been" or "God" I pick God because it gives me something to hope in, and that is all religion is. Hope for some thing better.

 

The problem is, hope changes nothing.

 

Imagine a die. This is a world without humans, and the only objects are a die and a lone table. For some reason, the die rolls itself. The odds of it landing on 4 (assuming a random roll)? 1/6

 

Imagine a world with God.

 

God comes along. He want's it to land on four. In fact, he uses every bit of power he has (infinite power) to make it land on four. The odds of it landing on 4? 1/6

 

Imagine a world with God and humans.

 

Then Flame Dragon comes along. If the die does not land on four, his family will die. He loves his family. He prays and hopes and believes (sp?) with all his might that it will land on 4. He gets a false sense of confidence. The odds? 1/6

 

Hoping and praying and believing will change nothing, so believing in God is therefore irrational.

 

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Oh, and by the way, I have this question. I'm not sure if it's on topic or not, but I'll just ask it anyway. What is flawed in believing in both God and the Big Bang?

[Flame Dragon]

@.:Raelen//:Solo:.

 

Please tell me. Were their dinos in the Genesis world?

 

 

I do believe in the Big Bang' date=' but when I reach the point of "matters has always been" or "God" I pick God because it gives me something to hope in, and that is all religion is. Hope for some thing better.

[/quote']

 

The problem is, hope changes nothing.

 

Imagine a die. This is a world without humans, and the only objects are a die and a lone table. For some reason, the die rolls itself. The odds of it landing on 4 (assuming a random roll)? 1/6

 

Imagine a world with God.

 

God comes along. He want's it to land on four. In fact, he uses every bit of power he has (infinite power) to make it land on four. The odds of it landing on 4? 1/6

 

Imagine a world with God and humans.

 

Then Flame Dragon comes along. If the die does not land on four, his family will die. He loves his family. He prays and hopes and believes (sp?) with all his might that it will land on 4. He gets a false sense of confidence. The odds? 1/6

 

Hoping and praying and believing will change nothing, so believing in God is therefore irrational.

But you see, I don't have a false sence of confidence. I know the odds, and I'm not an idiot. I know hoping for a 4 when the odds are 1/6 changes nothing.

 

But hoping does change some things. It makes people happy. When some one that has faith losses a loved one their happy knowing that one day they hope they will be with them again. Even if they won't be they will die happy with that though.

 

 

Also, for the record, I "beleive" in logic and reasoning.

[Dark]

I understand that. I get that. 95% of the population does that.

 

What I don't get is people don't understand that being happy will change nothing. If the doctor comes up to me and says your dad has a 1/10000 chance of living, I will understand that. I won't pray and hope that he will live because that does not change anything.

 

And don't give me bullshit about the pope healing people. People believe they WILL be healed, so their brain sends a mental message that it is healed. Like taking a pill and feeling better, when it only had sugar in it.

 

I don't understand why faith matters. An atheists and a non-atheists can live the same life, and the only difference will be the atheists will save 5 minutes by not praying. Seriously, I shun the people who feel faith will change anything.

[Flame Dragon]

I understand that. I get that. 95% of the population does that.

 

What I don't get is people don't understand that being happy will change nothing. If the doctor comes up to me and says your dad has a 1/10000 chance of living' date=' I will understand that. I won't pray and hope that he will live because that does not change anything.

[b']Yes it does. It helps them come to terms with thing. They know their dad/mom/loved one is going to die, but the thought that they will be with them again makes the loss hurt that much less[/b]

And don't give me bullshit about the pope healing people. People believe they WILL be healed, so their brain sends a mental message that it is healed. Like taking a pill and feeling better, when it only had sugar in it.

What part of "I don't care" don't you get. Do you really think I would say that? But since you brought that up that only goes for simple things. Their have been people that were going to die, but SOMETHNG happened and they didn't. I can't give any examples, but if I'm not mistaken hospitals have records on such events.

I don't understand why faith matters. An atheists and a non-atheists can live the same life, and the only difference will be the atheists will save 5 minutes by not praying. Seriously, I shun the people who feel faith will change anything.

Who says non-atheists pray? I'm not an atheists but I haven't REALLY prayed in years. Have I made simple prays while I'm just laying in bed, yea, but I don't think anything will come of them

[OMGAKITTY]

I understand that. I get that. 95% of the population does that.

 

What I don't get is people don't understand that being happy will change nothing. If the doctor comes up to me and says your dad has a 1/10000 chance of living' date=' I will understand that. I won't pray and hope that he will live because that does not change anything.

 

And don't give me bullshit about the pope healing people. People believe they WILL be healed, so their brain sends a mental message that it is healed. Like taking a pill and feeling better, when it only had sugar in it.

 

I don't understand why faith matters. An atheists and a non-atheists can live the same life, and the only difference will be the atheists will save 5 minutes by not praying. Seriously, I shun the people who feel faith will change anything.

[/quote']

 

Term you're thinking of is "placebo". As said by Flame Dragon, there is a great comfort in believing you will see your loved ones again. My friend died last year, he was 14, and an only child. I attended the funeral and listened to his parents speak. They believe they will see him again, and it gives comfort.

 

Faith is not meant to change anything. Faith is...simply faith. Its a belief in something that cannot be proven. I personally, think life without God is an empty existence. But that's me. That's my faith.

 

And you shun people because of that? Seems close minded to me.

[Static]

I understand that. I get that. 95% of the population does that.

 

What I don't get is people don't understand that being happy will change nothing. If the doctor comes up to me and says your dad has a 1/10000 chance of living' date=' I will understand that. I won't pray and hope that he will live because that does not change anything.

 

And don't give me bullshit about the pope healing people. People believe they WILL be healed, so their brain sends a mental message that it is healed. Like taking a pill and feeling better, when it only had sugar in it.

 

I don't understand why faith matters. An atheists and a non-atheists can live the same life, and the only difference will be the atheists will save 5 minutes by not praying. Seriously, I shun the people who feel faith will change anything.

[/quote']

 

Who are you to judge the value that another can make of something? You must be a bitter person to be so egotistical to make such assumptions.

 

You ought to crawl under a rock and never be seen again, lest you begin to understand that your style of thought is not shared with the rest of the world.

 

ITT: There are many people alive who get a LOT out of their faith, inner strength and a lot of other things that faith just gives them in life. You're not one to say that faith changes nothing for anyone else other than yourself, bastard child.

[Exiro]

Also, what is flawed in believing in both God and the Big Bang?

[Dark]

Two words:

 

False emotions.

[OMGAKITTY]

Two words:

 

False emotions.

 

lolwhat?

 

No such thing. Any emotion you experience is...well, real. The source may be false, but the emotion is real.

[Huntar!]

This is a debate, and theres already a debate about this.

[Dark]

Sorry, wrong choice in words.

 

I meant to say emotions that are generated due to a possibly false cause.

 

If I told you that you can eat Taco Bell for dinner tonight (assuming you like Taco Bell), you will obviously be happy. The truth of the matter is, however, every Taco Bell in the world has closed. You don't know this information, however.

 

I am telling you false things and your emotions are caused because you think I am saying the truth.

 

Also, if I carried around a fully loaded rifle (assuming I have perfect aim), how many people could I convert by saying "believe in my religion or I shoot"?

 

EDIT: @ Hunter:

 

Are you going to merge the threads? That is always a pain, as you can never find the post you wanted to quote in a mess of 2 threads.

[OMGAKITTY]

Sorry' date=' wrong choice in words.

 

I meant to say emotions that are generated due to a possibly false cause.

 

If I told you that you can eat Taco Bell for dinner tonight (assuming you like Taco Bell), you will obviously be happy. The truth of the matter is, however, every Taco Bell in the world has closed. You don't know this information, however.

 

I am telling you false things and your emotions are caused because you [i']think[/i] I am saying the truth.

 

Also, if I carried around a fully loaded rifle (assuming I have perfect aim), how many people could I convert by saying "believe in my religion or I shoot"?

 

EDIT: @ Hunter:

 

Are you going to merge the threads? That is always a pain, as you can never find the post you wanted to quote in a mess of 2 threads.

 

You'd be surprised how many people would die for their religion.

 

And so you tell them they will have Taco Bell, and they are happy. Ok. Well in this scenario, when dinner comes around, they will be disappointed. Apply that to an afterlife? By "dinner time" they're dead. :/

I don't see the harm.

[Dark]

How did Muhammad (sp?) get his followers? ;D

[The Dark One]

I propose that everyone in this thread read both the Bible and actual information about the Big Bang theory and make a more informed post in favour of the Big Bang theory.

 

Im only gonna say one thing on the topic then I'm out.

 

In the Big Bang theory' date=' there were gasses to start things out. Theres the problem right there. How did those gasses get there? Gas just doesn't appear out of nothing there are even scientific laws that state that nothing can just appear. This means that something or someone had to have made them. And if it was a something, again something or someone had to have made it. And it continues like that until you reach the final material that made it, someONE had to have made that 1 material that started it all.

 

There is my input I will leave it to you to figure it out.

[/quote']

 

First of all, the Big Bang did not involve gases. Keep in mind, we're talking about compacting the entire universe, and quite a bit more (it's theorized that the Big Bang happened because of matter-antimatter annihilation, so there was considerably more matter and anti-matter initially than after the Bang occurs.) into an infinitely small region. We aren't talking about atoms or even protons and electrons (They are all mostly empty space.) Initially, it was all just baryons.

 

Secondly, you are using on of Aquinas's ideas. I think it's maybe the best proof out there in support of a god or gods, but unfortunately it still falls rather short.

 

This is because we're trying to solve a theoretical impossibility with another theoretical impossibility. We're still left with something that defies our logic. Putting the god into the equation just adds another step. Using Occam's Razor, we can then discard the idea of a god, as it just isn't the simplest solution.

 

Now, Occam's Razor isn't actually proof in and of itself, so we don't truly have a way of knowing that a god does NOT exist. However, it is technically accurate to say that you can't disprove flying pigs with laser-eyes that like to wear ballerina shoes, nor can you disprove the possibility of a giant conspiracy by ants to eradicate the human race, or a matrix-like scenario, or anything else you care to think up. The point is, there's no evidence to suggest that any of those things DO exist (and there is an inductive argument against them in the form of our present worldview and the scientific laws we have invented to go with it) so it's beyond foolish to go on living in such a way that accounts for these things. Doesn't it make sense to treat the possibility of a god or gods in the same fashion?