zombiepromking Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Monsters(14)Submarineroid x3Mother Grizzly x3Mobius, the Frost Monarch x2Iron Blacksmith Kotetsu x3Sunlight Unicorn x2Sangan Spells (15)Swords of Revealing LightDifferent Dimension CapsuleGiant TrunadeMist Body x2Heavy Storm Mystical Space TyphoonBig Wave, Little WaveUnstable Evolution x3MegamorphTwin Swords of Flashing Light - Tryce x3 Traps (13)Call of the HauntedDraining Shield x3Dark Bribe x3Sakuretsu Armor X2Wall of Revealing Light x3Solemn Judgement NOTE: In TF -1 Tryce and Unstable for 2 Megamorph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Excuse my ignorance, but how is does this OTK works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Read Submarineroid's effect. Read it carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Is about the part of the original ATK? then this deck would have "Unstable Evolution". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombiepromking Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Is about the part of the original ATK? then this deck would have "Unstable Evolution". Okay thanks. Yes, the OTK is based around equipping submarineroid with axe(s) of despair and using his original ATK effect so he gains every turn. This is strangely an unseen OTK opportunity, and one of the fastest i've seen, you can win in three turns with just one axe of despair in use. Everything else in the deck is just meant to speed things up or protect yourself from spells and traps. I'm thinking about adding Moray of Greed, Backfire, Malfunction, Black Horn of Heaven, more defensive spells and traps. Any more suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Axe of Dispair doesn't changes the original ATK. It doesn't matter how many cards you equip to it, the damage will always be 800 (Except if you use evolution). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacondas1 Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 I thought that part of his effect meant that the damage he inflicts becomes his original attack? Am I reading it wrong? Anacondas1 (once I know the answer to this question I can help :D) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 3TK =/= OTKAlso I don't undertand anything you said, but if you equip Submarine with Axe it's ATK will become 1800 and when it ATKs it will deal 800 damage. Thats it! No OTK. (nor 3TK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombiepromking Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Axe of Dispair doesn't changes the original ATK. It doesn't matter how many cards you equip to it' date=' the damage will always be 800 (Except if you use evolution).[/quote'] Submarineroid's effect:This card can attack your opponent directly. If it does, any Battle Damage this card inflicts to your opponent becomes the original ATK of this card. You may switch this card to Defense Position at the end of the Damage Step. Does that clear it up? It gains 1000 every turn because it's orig. ATK is equal to the battle damage inflicted. Do you understand now? Everyone else has understood this but you and i don't know why. I figured Cliff 'em All's post would've clreared things up for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 TCG Rulings * "Submarineroid" does not assume new "original ATK" values. Its original ATK does not modify after the battle is concluded. It does not become a "new original ATK" or anything of that sort. It's effect means to explain that the battle damage inflicted, in this situation, will be equal to whatever "Submarineroid's" original ATK is. If equipped with "Axe of Despair", it will only inflict 800 damage, and "Submarineroid's" ATK remains at 1800.[1] Does that clear it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombiepromking Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 3TK =/= OTKAlso I don't undertand anything you said' date=' but if you equip Submarine with Axe it's ATK will become 1800 and when it ATKs it will deal 800 damage. Thats it! No OTK. (nor 3TK)[/quote'] Wait...what? It says any battle damage he inflicts becomes his orig. ATK which means that his orig. ATK after he attacks w/ axe of despair equipped becomes 1800 + Axe of Despair means he has 2800 at the end of the Battle Phase how does no one get this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Ugh. This deck doesn't work. YOu will ALWAYS deal 800 damage >.<And not ATK gain. ATK is equal to the battle damage inflicted. *facepalm* 3TK =/= OTKAlso I don't undertand anything you said' date=' but if you equip Submarine with Axe it's ATK will become 1800 and when it ATKs it will deal 800 damage. Thats it! No OTK. (nor 3TK)[/quote'] Wait...what? It says any battle damage he inflicts becomes his orig. AND HIS ORIGIANL IS 800 ATK which means that his orig. ATK after he attacks w/ axe of despair equipped becomes 1800 + Axe of Despair means he has 2800 at the end of the Battle Phase how does no one get this? NO! His original ATK is always 800 (unless you use Unstable Evolution ot something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombiepromking Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 TCG Rulings * "Submarineroid" does not assume new "original ATK" values. Its original ATK does not modify after the battle is concluded. It does not become a "new original ATK" or anything of that sort. It's effect means to explain that the battle damage inflicted' date=' in this situation, will be equal to whatever "Submarineroid's" original ATK is. If equipped with "Axe of Despair", it will only inflict 800 damage, and "Submarineroid's" ATK remains at 1800.[1'] Does that clear it up? Okay now i get it, so OTK is impossible. Nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 You can still use Unstable Evolution and Tryce, but you'll need a way to decrease your LP and you'll 2TK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombiepromking Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 You can still use Unstable Evolution and Tryce' date=' but you'll need a way to decrease your LP and you'll 2TK.[/quote'] There was an idea i had for a TF deck with megamorph in it, in that idea i remembered a card that made you pay LP i think it was Samsara Lotus, so yeah Samsara at 2 and i think unstable and tryce should be at 3. what do you think? Thanks again, so the ?TK isn't necessarily broken. With the Deck Thinners i have here by a stroke of luck i could OTK but it would probably require more than 5 cards so it's an OTK but not literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exyst Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 -1 Samsara+1 Wall of Revealling light Much better way to lose LP IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Does Draining Shield still helps you here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombiepromking Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Does Draining Shield still helps you here? It's mainly filler but it does help so samsara doesn't murder you and so you stop an attack towards your precious sub, but as it's a 2TK i doubt i'll really need it but it's nice to have around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 I'm confused at why Megamorph is better than Unstable... Mega with Tryce you get a total of 1100 ATK (there is also the little fact that Megamorph is LIMITED) while with Unstable you get a total of 1900. Even if the order mattered (Tryce + mega or Unstable = only original atk change) Unstable would still get you more, 2400 (Unstable) > 1600 (Megamorph) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombiepromking Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 I'm confused at why Megamorph is better than Unstable... Mega with Tryce you get a total of 1100 ATK (there is also the little fact that Megamorph is LIMITED) while with Unstable you get a total of 1900. Even if the order mattered (Tryce + mega or Unstable = only original atk change) Unstable would still get you more' date=' 2400 (Unstable) > 1600 (Megamorph)[/quote'] I dunno if you heard the BS about this card's effect but when it's equipped with tryce it's ATK doesn't decrease since it only inflicts damage equal to it's original ATK. okay, and now that i know that Megamorph is limited i'll run it. Oh yeah, Sub's Orig. ATK is 4000 if you equip him with unstable and then Mega + tryce means you can do 8000 damage in one turn but i need something that can mow down my LP really easily so i can OTK. i need something that will leave my LP lower than 4000 really quickly. Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Um, Wall of Revealing Light... Maikitsu suggested it. A single Solemn might also be good to half your LP. Edit: Wouldn't its ATK be 4800 with Unstable + Megamorph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombiepromking Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Um' date=' Wall of Revealing Light... Maikitsu suggested it. A single Solemn might also be good to half your LP. Edit: Wouldn't its ATK be 4800 with Unstable + Megamorph?[/quote'] No unstable makes it's orig. ATK 2000 and then Mega doubles it so it comes out to 4000. Thank you both Maikitsu and DAZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exyst Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Um' date=' Wall of Revealing Light... Maikitsu suggested it. A single Solemn might also be good to half your LP. Edit: Wouldn't its ATK be 4800 with Unstable + Megamorph?[/quote'] No unstable makes it's orig. ATK 2400 and then Mega doubles it so it comes out to 4800. Thank you both Maikitsu and DAZ ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombiepromking Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Um' date=' Wall of Revealing Light... Maikitsu suggested it. A single Solemn might also be good to half your LP. Edit: Wouldn't its ATK be 4800 with Unstable + Megamorph?[/quote'] No unstable makes it's orig. ATK 2400 and then Mega doubles it so it comes out to 4800. Thank you both Maikitsu and DAZ ... Whoops misread the effect okay so this deck is quicker than i thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Doodle Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 -2 Malfunction +Tryce+ Solemn-Big Wave Small Wave+Sangan-Monster Gate-2 Deep Sea Diva+3 Bribes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.