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[Infinitus]

The only problem is' date=' many times I [i']have[/i] annoyed religious people.

 

In the end, however, what do you obtain? The satisfaction of knowing you have annoyed a religious man for no more than 300 seconds? In the end, they actually would, and probably have, forgiven you, moved on, forgot about the whole incident, and moved on with their lives.

 

Regardless of how much you have done it, after a while, it just doesn't work. It used to annoy me, but now, I almost find it amusing, yet predictible since it seems to be a common theme for a good portion of your posts.

[Dark]

In the end, however, what do you obtain?

 

A good laugh.

 

And as old idiots subjects leave, new idiots subjects come my way.

 

You know, 1/3 of the world is Christian, and most of the world is un-atheist.

[Infinitus]

In the end' date=' however, what do you obtain?[/i']

 

A good laugh.

 

And as old idiots subjects leave, new idiots subjects come my way.

 

You know, 1/3 of the world is Christian, and most of the world is un-atheist.

 

I believe I know why you do this.

 

Boredom. You have intelligence that is greater than those around you, and you tend to get bored with the fact that no one can keep up. So, you decide that you will exploit something that has no scientific logic whatsoever, because it relies on faith, relies on faith that even though things don't add up, they still believe. So you use your intelligence to gain a laugh by easily exploiting the laws in scientific logic, when all that person can answer you with is "Faith". Am I correct?

 

However, have you ever considered that you are STILL waisting your time? You could be doing so much greater things with your mind.

[Willieh]

In the end' date=' however, what do you obtain?[/i']

 

A good laugh.

 

And as old idiots subjects leave, new idiots subjects come my way.

 

You know, 1/3 of the world is Christian, and most of the world is un-atheist.

 

I believe I know why you do this.

 

Boredom. You have intelligence that is greater than those around you, and you tend to get bored with the fact that no one can keep up. So, you decide that you will exploit something that has no scientific logic whatsoever, because it relies on faith, relies on faith that even though things don't add up, they still believe. So you use your intelligence to gain a laugh by easily exploiting the laws in scientific logic, when all that person can answer you with is "Faith". Am I correct?

 

However, have you ever considered that you are STILL waisting your time? You could be doing so much greater things with your mind.

 

You could seriously get a job at any company being a motivational speaker.

[Dark]

Wow. This is truly amazing. Most of the religious people I meet just flame me and walk away.

 

You are a persistant one.

 

For the most part, your theory is correct. For the minor places where you are wrong, you are pretty close.

 

But it's not wasting my time. I actually learn things, considering that so many people on the internet are atheist (which is quite un-proportional, I think they do it to act cool) and have arguments of their own.

 

And I'm getting a good laugh, so that's enough for me.

 

Could I be doing better things? Sure. Maybe when I get older, I will. But for now, I'm a 15-year-old atheist who loves making fun of religion.

 

And not only do I get faith as an answer, but I get "The Bible" as an answer.

 

If a religious person doesn't give me those two answers as a comeback, I will take them much more seriously.

[Infinitus]

Wow. This is truly amazing. Most of the religious people I meet just flame me and walk away.

 

You are a persistant one.

 

For the most part' date=' your theory is correct. For the minor places where you are wrong, you are pretty close.

 

But it's not wasting my time. I actually learn things, considering that so many people on the internet are atheist (which is quite un-proportional, I think they do it to act cool) and have arguments of their own.

 

And I'm getting a good laugh, so that's enough for me.

 

Could I be doing better things? Sure. Maybe when I get older, I will. But for now, I'm a 15-year-old atheist who loves making fun of religion.

 

And not only do I get faith as an answer, but I get "The Bible" as an answer.

 

If a religious person doesn't give me those two answers as a comeback, I will take them much more seriously.

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Then tell me, what kind of things do you learn? Are they about religion, yourself, other people, what?

[Dark]

Wow. This is truly amazing. Most of the religious people I meet just flame me and walk away.

 

You are a persistant one.

 

For the most part' date=' your theory is correct. For the minor places where you are wrong, you are pretty close.

 

But it's not wasting my time. I actually learn things, considering that so many people on the internet are atheist (which is quite un-proportional, I think they do it to act cool) and have arguments of their own.

 

And I'm getting a good laugh, so that's enough for me.

 

Could I be doing better things? Sure. Maybe when I get older, I will. But for now, I'm a 15-year-old atheist who loves making fun of religion.

 

And not only do I get faith as an answer, but I get "The Bible" as an answer.

 

If a religious person doesn't give me those two answers as a comeback, I will take them much more seriously.

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Then tell me, what kind of things do you learn? Are they about religion, yourself, other people, what?

 

I've learned a lot about different religions that I haven't known before. Mostly because people try to string together some random story from a religious book to counter my points. So I know a bunch of religious stories.

 

And I've learned a lot about atheism. A lot of atheists have been challenging religion as well, and they have better arguements (or some of them) than I.

 

@ Willeh: I concur.

[Infinitus]

Wow. This is truly amazing. Most of the religious people I meet just flame me and walk away.

 

You are a persistant one.

 

For the most part' date=' your theory is correct. For the minor places where you are wrong, you are pretty close.

 

But it's not wasting my time. I actually learn things, considering that so many people on the internet are atheist (which is quite un-proportional, I think they do it to act cool) and have arguments of their own.

 

And I'm getting a good laugh, so that's enough for me.

 

Could I be doing better things? Sure. Maybe when I get older, I will. But for now, I'm a 15-year-old atheist who loves making fun of religion.

 

And not only do I get faith as an answer, but I get "The Bible" as an answer.

 

If a religious person doesn't give me those two answers as a comeback, I will take them much more seriously.

[/quote']

 

Then tell me, what kind of things do you learn? Are they about religion, yourself, other people, what?

 

I've learned a lot about different religions that I haven't known before. Mostly because people try to string together some random story from a religious book to counter my points. So I know a bunch of religious stories.

 

And I've learned a lot about atheism. A lot of atheists have been challenging religion as well, and they have better arguements (or some of them) than I.

 

@ Willeh: I concur.

 

Quite interesting. So, this helps you learn a lot about other religions? Which, I'm sure, helps strengthen your arguments, by understanding the religion you are against.

 

I am going to try and put myself in an atheist's shoes, and look at their viewpoint. Perhaps, they are trying to make themselves known, and let people realize that religious beliefs are not the only option in life, rather than having their opinions be ignored by most of the world, so they feel respected by the rest of society.

 

Perhaps, this is part of their purpose? So people can see that there is more ideas out there than just religious ideas?

[Dark]

That, and, (trying not to speak for all atheists) I don't want to put all my faith and trust in a being that (probably) doesn't exist. It's stupid, I think.

[Infinitus]

That' date=' and, (trying not to speak for all atheists) I don't want to put all my faith and trust in a being that (probably) doesn't exist. It's stupid, I think.

[/quote']

 

I, personally, have never had any problem with doing this, but I can see how others might. I can also see how you think he doesn't exist, because of the fact that it is scientifically illogical. However, I am trying not to speak for all people who believe in religions, but perhaps they believe in something more than logic, something beyond things that make sense to our feeble human minds. Something beyond our understanding. These things, these wonderous thoughts, may motivate people to believe.

 

That and doing nothing for eternity after human life sounds pretty scary. And dull.

[Dark]

Also, I hate it when people use the word "miracle" to constitute as proof of God.

 

Miracles are events unexplained by tools/knowledge we currently have. That doesn't mean a higher power decided to save someone because he donated to something.

[Infinitus]

Also' date=' I hate it when people use the word "miracle" to constitute as proof of God.

 

Miracles are events unexplained by tools/knowledge we currently have. That doesn't mean a higher power decided to save someone because he donated to something.

[/quote']

 

I believe, that for miracles, when we truly need a miracle, God does not do it for us. He gives us the opportunity to do it ourselves, but we must make the right choice in order to do so. Which is why I believe that you should try your hardest to be moral and just, for you may just end up being rewarded not only in heaven, but in our own world.

 

And no, that doesn't mean if you say please and thank you all the time means a Sony Truck will drop a PS3 right in front of you.

[rustyowl]

"I have a global vision of the universe wherein matter and spirit, body and soul, nature and super-nature, science and faith find their unity in Christ."

[J-Max]

Miracles? Pah... It's all part of the 50/50 Gamble of Life. You live or you die.

[Dark]

Miracles? Pah... It's all part of the 50/50 Gamble of Life. You live or you die.

 

If it was a 50/50 gamble, we wouldn't have overpopulation.

 

It's more like 80/20 gamble.

[Infinitus]

Miracles? Pah... It's all part of the 50/50 Gamble of Life. You live or you die.

 

If it was a 50/50 gamble' date=' we wouldn't have overpopulation.

 

It's more like 80/20 gamble.

[/quote']

 

Is it a gamble? Or is it simply kindness, one small morsal of kindness, being shown between men? One small sandwich, allowing a man to live one more day. The next day, he is taken in by a young man who allows him to get back on his feet.

 

Perhaps it is more than just a gamble, but is truly small acts of kindness towards other people.

[Dark]

If you are kind to someone, and someone is kind to you back, that shouldn't constitute for karma. :/

[Infinitus]

If you are kind to someone' date=' and someone is kind to you back, that shouldn't constitute for karma. :/

[/quote']

 

Perhaps it does. Karma is when you are rewarded or punished for your actions, depending on whether they were moral or immoral.

 

Perhaps, rather than the universe rewarding us, perhaps it is us who is the karma system, but we must be kind to others when the can, because perhaps someone has done something to deserve the oppurtunity to have something kind done onto them.

[Dark]

I can easily take kindness and be an asshole back.

 

In fact, I do that many times.

 

Did I break the karma system? Am I going to hell, or something similar? Do bad things happen to me? No.

[Infinitus]

I can easily take kindness and be an asshole back.

 

In fact' date=' I do that many times.

 

Did I break the karma system? Am I going to hell, or something similar? Do bad things happen to me? No.

[/quote']

 

Well, if it's based off of choices as I said, then giving up the oppurtunity to do wrong to you would end up being bad, which would conflict with my beliefs. Cross that idea out. Back to the drawing board.

 

However, I was originally talking about miracles, not karma. The fact that we could very well be the miracle, if we make the right choice.

[Dark]

And what do you define a miracle as?

 

The most logical definition is an unexplained event.

 

For example, a guy coming back to life after being in a coma for 12 years. While science cannot explain that at the moment, it doesn't necessarily have to be a work of a higher power.

 

Then again, not many people believe in the logics and like to go out on a limb and use faith as the all-powerful answer to everything.

[Infinitus]

And what do you define a miracle as?

 

The most logical definition is an unexplained event.

 

For example' date=' a guy coming back to life after being in a coma for 12 years. While science cannot explain that [i']at the moment[/i], it doesn't necessarily have to be a work of a higher power.

 

Then again, not many people believe in the logics and like to go out on a limb and use faith as the all-powerful answer to everything.

 

Who was that last statement referring to?

 

No, it may not be a higher power. Perhaps it is just luck, getting the high enough roll. However, sometimes, it's kind of hard to turn down the idea of a higher power doing a big favor for you.

[Tentacruel]

Life isn't very fun when you go by 'logic.'

[Dark]

It was just a general statement, but it wasn't referring to you.

 

If there is an all-powerful being, why doesn't he or she distribute this "karma" fairly?

 

Why are millions of Africans starving in Africa?

 

Surely not every African has done bad things to deserve that.

 

I'd like to believe that it is not a being that determines your future, but the actions that you take.

 

Life isn't very fun when you go by 'logic.'

 

Okay, so you can go believe in whatever you want.

 

I'll take the more rational route and not believe in that.

 

While our lives will remain the same, I get the upper hand because I don't have to pray or go to church.

 

That's an extra 5 hours in my whole lifetime.

 

Hooray!

[The Dark One]

To refer back to the original topic:

 

I am an athiest that goes to a Catholic school. I did not get sent there by my parents. I chose to attend.

 

While certainly I stand out, and people, or some people at least, are perhaps a little uncomfortable about me at first, I do not face the problems described.

 

I can't rule that A is entirely at fault for his situation, but his behavior towards his fellow classmates and teachers almost certainly has a significant impact on said situation. There is a distinction between disbelief and rebellion. You can go to a Catholic school without making a scene just fine, but don't expect to get along too well at a school like that if you try to challenge everybody at every turn.