ITT: 'Riku for Mod' is a taboo.

[Brushfire]

Eh. maybe.

YCM needs two things

1) More mods

2) New rules' date=' more strict, there would be less breaking them because the punishment would be severe.

[/quote']

 

No, that is not what YCM needs at all. Severe punishments are a bad thing, or did this thread teach you nothing?

[Guest Tainted Black]

And if he dosen't come back' date=' it work out well too.

 

Win-Win.

[/quote']

 

Eh. maybe.

YCM needs two things

1) More mods

2) New rules, more strict, there would be less breaking them because the punishment would be severe.

---

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with this theory at all.

 

The problem with the strict rules can be seen in RP (or Fanfic, I don't know which one it is). They're trying to make it better by making more strict rules, but clearly a good number of members don't like this. So in do this we could only end up with more backlash.

 

Naturally the members who don't like the rules are the ones who break them, more or less. Not everyone will be satisfied but if it means that order will be restored, somewhat, I say go for it.

Well, right now I think it would be best to clarify the current punishments for breaking rules. Cause really some members getting 3 day bans for trolling, some getting warns, and other getting nothing at all is just wrong.

 

On the trolling I think a 3-strike rule should be passed, Strike 1- A 3-4 day ban Strike 2- a week ban and Strike 3 - Permabanned from YCM. The same goes for Flaming. On Spamming I say keep the same rules because not everyone means to spam. That's how I see it should be, somewhere along those lines.

 

So where does Warning come in?

[Guest]

ENOUGH OF THIS.

 

You know, the biggest problem with YCM is that everyone takes everything far too seriously. Chaos Pudding makes a stupid topic? MOD ABUSE! Chaos Pudding gets banned for said topic? ALSO MOD ABUSE! Riku's not a moderator despite a majority vote? MOD ABUSE! Dark gets a three-day ban? SITE IS RUINED FOREVER, EVERYBODY LEAVE! And the same is true of the moderators' reactions. Chaos Pudding makes a stupid topic? BRING DOWN THE BANHAMMER!

 

What we need is a sensible chap with absurdly good looks to come in and fix everything, and since the only person here whose sense I trust is myself, I nominate me. And since we seem to be running low on Supers, I'm going to pretend that I constitute a quorum and get to work.

 

Now, let's recap what happened so far. As I understand it, it went like this: Chaos Pudding made a topic about how he ate tears or something, Riku responded by saying he ate babies or something, people randomly started saying Riku should be a moderator, Riku made a topic in polls about it, people posted, and Umbra banned Chaos Pudding, Riku, and Dark, and then demoted himself from Super to Local. Oh, and Icyblue is leaving because he's sick of you idiots whining about everything.

 

Did I miss anything?

 

Now, here's how things stand:

 

Chaos Pudding: An overall good member with no history who made one rather silly topic? What? How on earth is that deserving of a ban? It wasn't aimed at stirring up drama, it was just one topic, and - that's it, I am definitely revoking this; he's just getting a warn. And, looking at the ban, it seems to be one week. WHAT. A full-week ban for that? Rubbish. A warn it is.

 

Dark: Some of Umbra's specific citations against him are rather sketchy - that doesn't really look much like trolling to me, and if it is trolling at all then it's a very minor case. The part about telling everyone just to copy-paste RIKU FOR MOD definitely looks like encouraging spam, but it can hardly be said to be encouraging spam if nobody will actually be encouraged by it. On the other hand, Dark had lots of post in that four-page topic (and I use fifty posts per page) where the entire topic was nothing but spam and each post of his contributed nothing useful, which falls under spam fairly neatly. Dark was also a major proponent behind the whole RIKU FOR MOD thing - see below for why that's a bad thing. Looking through the Polls topic, Dark makes loads of posts and says virtually nothing. In view of Dark's history as a known troll, a three-day ban does not seem unreasonable.

 

Riku: Unless this guy changed his name recently, I have never seen him before today, so I have no clue what he's like or what his history is. What I do know is that every post I've seen him make has been short, pointless, random, and conspicuously lacking in capital letters. The whole topic asking if he should be a moderator seems designed solely to stir up trouble; moderators aren't decided by polls run in the Polls forum, so the only effect such a topic could have would be to incite pointless drama, and it certainly managed to do that. Nevertheless, most of the actual spamming was Dark, not Riku, which combined with clean history means that Riku's getting a 50% warn, but not a ban.

 

In short: Chaos Pudding and Riku are getting unbanned; Dark is keeping his three-day ban.

 

In other news: In the mod forum, we're discussing who to promote to Super to replace those who have been lost - Flame Dragon, perhaps? - and are proposing to open an official moderator applications thread. You'll see what happens in the next few days when consensus is reached.

[Kitty]

And if he dosen't come back' date=' it work out well too.

 

Win-Win.

[/quote']

 

Eh. maybe.

YCM needs two things

1) More mods

2) New rules, more strict, there would be less breaking them because the punishment would be severe.

---

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with this theory at all.

 

The problem with the strict rules can be seen in RP (or Fanfic, I don't know which one it is). They're trying to make it better by making more strict rules, but clearly a good number of members don't like this. So in do this we could only end up with more backlash.

 

Naturally the members who don't like the rules are the ones who break them, more or less. Not everyone will be satisfied but if it means that order will be restored, somewhat, I say go for it.

Well, right now I think it would be best to clarify the current punishments for breaking rules. Cause really some members getting 3 day bans for trolling, some getting warns, and other getting nothing at all is just wrong.

 

On the trolling I think a 3-strike rule should be passed, Strike 1- A 3-4 day ban Strike 2- a week ban and Strike 3 - Permabanned from YCM. The same goes for Flaming. On Spamming I say keep the same rules because not everyone means to spam. That's how I see it should be, somewhere along those lines.

 

So where does Warning come in?

 

That's why I said somewhere along those lines. A warning could be issued before the 3 strike rule comes in affect.

 

 

Eh. maybe.

YCM needs two things

1) More mods

2) New rules' date=' more strict, there would be less breaking them because the punishment would be severe.

[/quote']

 

No, that is not what YCM needs at all. Severe punishments are a bad thing, or did this thread teach you nothing?

 

It taught me that little trolls get away with everything. I think severe punishment would make YCM better.

[Brushfire]

It taught me that little trolls get away with everything. I severe punishment would make YCM better.

 

You mean they're banned, for going along with the topic? No, that doesn't work. Flame Dragon has the right idea on what to do, and you have the wrong idea. The opinion of someone who finds they need to dramatize the Relationships thread at least once a day is invalid anyhow.

[NeoDemonX]

You know what would funny if everyone was Mod, Super Mod, or Admin

[bury the year]

You know what would funny if everyone was Mod' date=' Super Mod, or Admin

[/quote']

 

You do realize that Admins have the abilities to delete the forum? There'd be no more YCM, thank you very much.

[PrimalFear]

And if he dosen't come back' date=' it work out well too.

 

Win-Win.

[/quote']

 

Eh. maybe.

YCM needs two things

1) More mods

2) New rules, more strict, there would be less breaking them because the punishment would be severe.

---

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with this theory at all.

 

The problem with the strict rules can be seen in RP (or Fanfic, I don't know which one it is). They're trying to make it better by making more strict rules, but clearly a good number of members don't like this. So in do this we could only end up with more backlash.

 

Naturally the members who don't like the rules are the ones who break them, more or less. Not everyone will be satisfied but if it means that order will be restored, somewhat, I say go for it.

Well, right now I think it would be best to clarify the current punishments for breaking rules. Cause really some members getting 3 day bans for trolling, some getting warns, and other getting nothing at all is just wrong.

 

I think if and when the admins are ready they will choose new mods. I'm sure by now they are hurting for someone who stays active and is community friendly. I personally would like to see a mod who is listens to the members stay's active and can enforce the rules without getting emotional' date=' it's not a hard job it just takes patience and a someone who has experience. I by no means will offer a mod choice as their really isn't any of my business. I'm even more surprised that out of all the mods who have visited this thread they have not locked it. Its full of spam and its just gonna add to the list of warns or possible bans if it stays open.

[/quote']

For the most part this thread isn't spammy. Plus it is good to have the community in on major events, and this clearly is major.

 

I totally agree with you Flame, I do think the community should be involved in something this major. But I did see a lot of spam in the earlier posts by both members and Mods but that's been by passed to this now discussion about new mods. I think that YCMaker or Falling Pizza should make a Mod election and have the members nominate the new mods, and the Admins have the final say. I have a lot I'd like to do to help out the forum but I don't want to see another bad mod chosen and see them in a few months pack their stuff and leave or barley respond to anything that may concern the Forum. Their are a few mods in particular that fall in this category but it's ultimately up to the Admins to do something about all this.

[Plaguespreader Zombie]

 

ENOUGH OF THIS.

 

You know' date=' the biggest problem with YCM is that everyone takes everything far too seriously. Chaos Pudding makes a stupid topic? [b']MOD ABUSE![/b] Chaos Pudding gets banned for said topic? ALSO MOD ABUSE! Riku's not a moderator despite a majority vote? MOD ABUSE! Dark gets a three-day ban? SITE IS RUINED FOREVER, EVERYBODY LEAVE! And the same is true of the moderators' reactions. Chaos Pudding makes a stupid topic? BRING DOWN THE BANHAMMER!

 

What we need is a sensible chap with absurdly good looks to come in and fix everything, and since the only person here whose sense I trust is myself, I nominate me. And since we seem to be running low on Supers, I'm going to pretend that I constitute a quorum and get to work.

 

Now, let's recap what happened so far. As I understand it, it went like this: Chaos Pudding made a topic about how he ate tears or something, Riku responded by saying he ate babies or something, people randomly started saying Riku should be a moderator, Riku made a topic in polls about it, people posted, and Umbra banned Chaos Pudding, Riku, and Dark, and then demoted himself from Super to Local. Oh, and Icyblue is leaving because he's sick of you idiots whining about everything.

 

Did I miss anything?

 

Now, here's how things stand:

 

Chaos Pudding: An overall good member with no history who made one rather silly topic? What? How on earth is that deserving of a ban? It wasn't aimed at stirring up drama, it was just one topic, and - that's it, I am definitely revoking this; he's just getting a warn. And, looking at the ban, it seems to be one week. WHAT. A full-week ban for that? Rubbish. A warn it is.

 

Dark: Some of Umbra's specific citations against him are rather sketchy - that doesn't really look much like trolling to me, and if it is trolling at all then it's a very minor case. The part about telling everyone just to copy-paste RIKU FOR MOD definitely looks like encouraging spam, but it can hardly be said to be encouraging spam if nobody will actually be encouraged by it. On the other hand, Dark had lots of post in that four-page topic (and I use fifty posts per page) where the entire topic was nothing but spam and each post of his contributed nothing useful, which falls under spam fairly neatly. Dark was also a major proponent behind the whole RIKU FOR MOD thing - see below for why that's a bad thing. Looking through the Polls topic, Dark makes loads of posts and says virtually nothing. In view of Dark's history as a known troll, a three-day ban does not seem unreasonable.

 

Riku: Unless this guy changed his name recently, I have never seen him before today, so I have no clue what he's like or what his history is. What I do know is that every post I've seen him make has been short, pointless, random, and conspicuously lacking in capital letters. The whole topic asking if he should be a moderator seems designed solely to stir up trouble; moderators aren't decided by polls run in the Polls forum, so the only effect such a topic could have would be to incite pointless drama, and it certainly managed to do that. Nevertheless, most of the actual spamming was Dark, not Riku, which combined with clean history means that Riku's getting a 50% warn, but not a ban.

 

In short: Chaos Pudding and Riku are getting unbanned; Dark is keeping his three-day ban.

 

In other news: In the mod forum, we're discussing who to promote to Super to replace those who have been lost - Flame Dragon, perhaps? - and are proposing to open an official moderator applications thread. You'll see what happens in the next few days when consensus is reached.

 

 

 

I love you.

[Guest Tainted Black]

@Crab Helmet: I agree with everything, though I don't care for Riku... Yes, Flame Dragon for Super Mod.

[Willieh]

ENOUGH OF THIS.

 

You know' date=' the biggest problem with YCM is that everyone takes everything far too seriously. Chaos Pudding makes a stupid topic? [b']MOD ABUSE![/b] Chaos Pudding gets banned for said topic? ALSO MOD ABUSE! Riku's not a moderator despite a majority vote? MOD ABUSE! Dark gets a three-day ban? SITE IS RUINED FOREVER, EVERYBODY LEAVE! And the same is true of the moderators' reactions. Chaos Pudding makes a stupid topic? BRING DOWN THE BANHAMMER!

 

What we need is a sensible chap with absurdly good looks to come in and fix everything, and since the only person here whose sense I trust is myself, I nominate me. And since we seem to be running low on Supers, I'm going to pretend that I constitute a quorum and get to work.

 

Now, let's recap what happened so far. As I understand it, it went like this: Chaos Pudding made a topic about how he ate tears or something, Riku responded by saying he ate babies or something, people randomly started saying Riku should be a moderator, Riku made a topic in polls about it, people posted, and Umbra banned Chaos Pudding, Riku, and Dark, and then demoted himself from Super to Local. Oh, and Icyblue is leaving because he's sick of you idiots whining about everything.

 

Did I miss anything?

 

Now, here's how things stand:

 

Chaos Pudding: An overall good member with no history who made one rather silly topic? What? How on earth is that deserving of a ban? It wasn't aimed at stirring up drama, it was just one topic, and - that's it, I am definitely revoking this; he's just getting a warn. And, looking at the ban, it seems to be one week. WHAT. A full-week ban for that? Rubbish. A warn it is.

 

Dark: Some of Umbra's specific citations against him are rather sketchy - that doesn't really look much like trolling to me, and if it is trolling at all then it's a very minor case. The part about telling everyone just to copy-paste RIKU FOR MOD definitely looks like encouraging spam, but it can hardly be said to be encouraging spam if nobody will actually be encouraged by it. On the other hand, Dark had lots of post in that four-page topic (and I use fifty posts per page) where the entire topic was nothing but spam and each post of his contributed nothing useful, which falls under spam fairly neatly. Dark was also a major proponent behind the whole RIKU FOR MOD thing - see below for why that's a bad thing. Looking through the Polls topic, Dark makes loads of posts and says virtually nothing. In view of Dark's history as a known troll, a three-day ban does not seem unreasonable.

 

Riku: Unless this guy changed his name recently, I have never seen him before today, so I have no clue what he's like or what his history is. What I do know is that every post I've seen him make has been short, pointless, random, and conspicuously lacking in capital letters. The whole topic asking if he should be a moderator seems designed solely to stir up trouble; moderators aren't decided by polls run in the Polls forum, so the only effect such a topic could have would be to incite pointless drama, and it certainly managed to do that. Nevertheless, most of the actual spamming was Dark, not Riku, which combined with clean history means that Riku's getting a 50% warn, but not a ban.

 

In short: Chaos Pudding and Riku are getting unbanned; Dark is keeping his three-day ban.

 

In other news: In the mod forum, we're discussing who to promote to Super to replace those who have been lost - Flame Dragon, perhaps? - and are proposing to open an official moderator applications thread. You'll see what happens in the next few days when consensus is reached.

 

Unrelated... but for some reason this kind of reminded me of the King of Red Lions on LoZ:WW. I think it was the big text on "ENOUGH OF THIS!"

[Brushfire]

 

ENOUGH OF THIS.

 

You know' date=' the biggest problem with YCM is that everyone takes everything far too seriously. Chaos Pudding makes a stupid topic? [b']MOD ABUSE![/b] Chaos Pudding gets banned for said topic? ALSO MOD ABUSE! Riku's not a moderator despite a majority vote? MOD ABUSE! Dark gets a three-day ban? SITE IS RUINED FOREVER, EVERYBODY LEAVE! And the same is true of the moderators' reactions. Chaos Pudding makes a stupid topic? BRING DOWN THE BANHAMMER!

 

What we need is a sensible chap with absurdly good looks to come in and fix everything, and since the only person here whose sense I trust is myself, I nominate me. And since we seem to be running low on Supers, I'm going to pretend that I constitute a quorum and get to work.

 

Now, let's recap what happened so far. As I understand it, it went like this: Chaos Pudding made a topic about how he ate tears or something, Riku responded by saying he ate babies or something, people randomly started saying Riku should be a moderator, Riku made a topic in polls about it, people posted, and Umbra banned Chaos Pudding, Riku, and Dark, and then demoted himself from Super to Local. Oh, and Icyblue is leaving because he's sick of you idiots whining about everything.

 

Did I miss anything?

 

Now, here's how things stand:

 

Chaos Pudding: An overall good member with no history who made one rather silly topic? What? How on earth is that deserving of a ban? It wasn't aimed at stirring up drama, it was just one topic, and - that's it, I am definitely revoking this; he's just getting a warn. And, looking at the ban, it seems to be one week. WHAT. A full-week ban for that? Rubbish. A warn it is.

 

Dark: Some of Umbra's specific citations against him are rather sketchy - that doesn't really look much like trolling to me, and if it is trolling at all then it's a very minor case. The part about telling everyone just to copy-paste RIKU FOR MOD definitely looks like encouraging spam, but it can hardly be said to be encouraging spam if nobody will actually be encouraged by it. On the other hand, Dark had lots of post in that four-page topic (and I use fifty posts per page) where the entire topic was nothing but spam and each post of his contributed nothing useful, which falls under spam fairly neatly. Dark was also a major proponent behind the whole RIKU FOR MOD thing - see below for why that's a bad thing. Looking through the Polls topic, Dark makes loads of posts and says virtually nothing. In view of Dark's history as a known troll, a three-day ban does not seem unreasonable.

 

Riku: Unless this guy changed his name recently, I have never seen him before today, so I have no clue what he's like or what his history is. What I do know is that every post I've seen him make has been short, pointless, random, and conspicuously lacking in capital letters. The whole topic asking if he should be a moderator seems designed solely to stir up trouble; moderators aren't decided by polls run in the Polls forum, so the only effect such a topic could have would be to incite pointless drama, and it certainly managed to do that. Nevertheless, most of the actual spamming was Dark, not Riku, which combined with clean history means that Riku's getting a 50% warn, but not a ban.

 

In short: Chaos Pudding and Riku are getting unbanned; Dark is keeping his three-day ban.

 

In other news: In the mod forum, we're discussing who to promote to Super to replace those who have been lost - Flame Dragon, perhaps? - and are proposing to open an official moderator applications thread. You'll see what happens in the next few days when consensus is reached.

 

 

 

Agreed with every single word. Thanks Crab.

[Flame Dragon]

And if he dosen't come back' date=' it work out well too.

 

Win-Win.

[/quote']

 

Eh. maybe.

YCM needs two things

1) More mods

2) New rules, more strict, there would be less breaking them because the punishment would be severe.

---

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with this theory at all.

 

The problem with the strict rules can be seen in RP (or Fanfic, I don't know which one it is). They're trying to make it better by making more strict rules, but clearly a good number of members don't like this. So in do this we could only end up with more backlash.

 

Naturally the members who don't like the rules are the ones who break them, more or less. Not everyone will be satisfied but if it means that order will be restored, somewhat, I say go for it.

Well, right now I think it would be best to clarify the current punishments for breaking rules. Cause really some members getting 3 day bans for trolling, some getting warns, and other getting nothing at all is just wrong.

 

On the trolling I think a 3-strike rule should be passed, Strike 1- A 3-4 day ban Strike 2- a week ban and Strike 3 - Permabanned from YCM. The same goes for Flaming. On Spamming I say keep the same rules because not everyone means to spam. That's how I see it should be, somewhere along those lines. It's simple, and easy to follow.

That is WAY to much. If things were like this a large percent of the members would be banned.

[Tempest Dahlia]

Mod election ftw.

l'm definitely going to attempt to gain a position. l'm pretty fair, and active. And l don't think a ban should be handed out for a first offense.

 

Ubless you're spamming porn all over the site.

 

FD for super.

[Kitty]

Mod election ftw.

l'm definitely going to attempt to gain a position. l'm pretty fair' date=' and active. And l don't think a ban should be handed out for a first offense.

 

Ubless you're spamming porn all over the site.

 

FD for super.

[/quote']

 

Yeah but it doesn't hurt to suggest does it?

 

Oh well, If there is a mod election I might throw my name in the pot, though I know I'd never get the position.

[Brushfire]

I still believe that a Mod Election is a bad idea (though I also believe that mods giving opinion/and then YCMaker promoting them is a bad idea) as the majority of our members are idiots and would vote for people who do not deserve it.

[bury the year]

I still believe that a Mod Election is a bad idea (though I also believe that mods giving opinion/and then YCMaker promoting them is a bad idea) as the majority of our members are idiots and would vote for people who do not deserve it.

 

The current plan isn't for an election; people throw their hats into the ring, and the mods will look over the apps and choose one or two at most who fit the requirements.

[Brushfire]

I still believe that a Mod Election is a bad idea (though I also believe that mods giving opinion/and then YCMaker promoting them is a bad idea) as the majority of our members are idiots and would vote for people who do not deserve it.

 

The current plan isn't for an election; people throw their hats into the ring' date=' and the mods will look over the apps and choose one or two at most who fit the requirements.

[/quote']

 

That makes more sense, though it still conflicts with some of my ideals I think that this is the best way. I hope the Mods make the right decisions, as Umbra clearly did with you. :3

 

 

EDIT: Someone please unban Belail and Eurynome, they don't deserve to be banned.

[Guest]

With regard to systems of punishment: what we need to remember is that this is an internet forum and that taking every little thing absurdly seriously is not the way to go. This means that handing out three-day bans for minor first offenses is a terrible strategy; it's gross overreaction and will just lead to everyone being antagonized.

 

With regard to moderator selection process: majority vote is not the way to go. The majority of people are stupid and will vote for people for all the wrong reasons. Voting for responsible people who will get the job done reasonably? Forget that, let's appoint the popular guy who just says nonsense but gets loved for it! At the same time, having YCMaker make all the decisions on his own is definitely a bad idea, since he is clearly too far removed from the forum to make the best decisions himself. Thus, the best policy is this: have the moderators come to a consensus regarding who would be best to be Locals and which Locals to make Supers, and then have the moderators present that consensus for YCMaker for implementation, with YCMaker just holding veto power. This is largely how the system already functions, and deviations from this system have lead to the most bizarre appointments - for example, that time YCMaker didn't consult the moderators and picked someone with zero posts to moderate a forum because he had a high created card count (though it did eventually work out).

[Flame Dragon]

I still believe that a Mod Election is a bad idea (though I also believe that mods giving opinion/and then YCMaker promoting them is a bad idea) as the majority of our members are idiots and would vote for people who do not deserve it.

Well' date=' that is why the staff would have final say.

Have members list out who they thing would make a good mod, then have the current staff vote for the final cuts. From there pm the list to YCMaker or Falling and see what they say.

 

We could also do what we did when I became mod. Have an offical candidate thread where members say "I want to be a mod. I'll be good for x, y, and z. And the section I would be best in modding would be m." Then have mods shorten it and then send the final ;ist to YCMaker.

IMO that would be the best way to go about getting new mods.

[Willieh]

I think that Flame Dragon is the most sensible decision for promotion to super.

 

As far as new locals go... I can't really think of ANYONE prepared for that position... =\

[fenrir]

I think that Flame Dragon is the most sensible decision for promotion to super.

 

As far as new locals go... I can't really think of ANYONE prepared for that position... =\

 

Which forums/sub forums exactly?

[PrimalFear]

Thank you Crab for the info and That is how it should be. I would love to see some more good moderators appointed like yourself. You are harsh at times but keep your cool and work out everything appropriately. I appreciate what you've done for the forum.

[Tempest Dahlia]

So, if the mod app is posted, where will it be?

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

Hey, guys. What's up?

 

Anyway, we've been needing new mods for quite some time now, so I guess this time is as good a time as any to start looking for new ones.