=Legendary CardMakers=

[Dark Mousy]

Okay. Conversation. Editing. I'm trying to be as friendly as possible, but after Brushfire's posts, it's hard to.

[Brushfire]

I would insult your intelligence' date=' but that just degrades me. So I won't.

 

And what is wrong with doing nothing but attack? They are fact in our (me and Icy, not you) debate, as Icy hasn't said anything against it, where as I have backed my claims with examples.

[/quote']

 

You think YOU can insult my intelligence? I'm going to push my ego here, because I'm on an entirely different level from you. Stop thinking you're an all-knowing deity when you're nothing but a small dot. You couldn't insult my intelligence in the slightest, and you've proved it with that jabroni, un-called for statement.

 

You do nothing but attack your own argument without a single bit of consideration for the opposing one, believing that your side is the only valid one. You are sadly wrong. Your defences are weak, and your "facts" are nothing but possible events, not factual information that must happen.

 

Ever consider that Icy has more to worry about than winning this pathetic little "debate" with you? He's trying to do what's best for CC. You're trying to do what's best for yourself. I'm debating on you, not the subject. I don't need examples. lrn2playmyfield

[Dark Mousy]

First thing's first, if you want to have a productive conversation, keep words like jabroni out of your posts. It just degrades yourself.

 

Okay. So I am a small dot, now what? What does that mean? How does that help you? Does it make you seem suddenly smarter? Does it?

 

Icy is trying to do the best for all of the members on this site. Yes, I am trying to do what is best for myself. Is there something wrong with that? Wouldn't you?

 

Regardless of whether I can or cannot insult your intelligence, being friendly always helps. You see lawyers arguing vigorously cases in courts, but in the end, most of them become friends.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Icy is trying to do the best for all of the members on this site. Yes' date=' I am trying to do what is best for myself. Is there something wrong with that? Wouldn't you?

[/quote']

 

The LCM do whats best for everyone. Not just themselves. They use their knowledge in a modest manner and understand what cards are, what they mean and how they perform in their usual area to help another. This post just overwhelmed everything you said, and made it worthless =/...

[Brushfire]

First thing's first' date=' if you want to have a productive conversation, keep words like a****** out of your posts. It just degrades yourself.

[b']Stop telling me that I'm degrading myself. I'll be the judge of that, not you. Congrats, I said jabroni, a word in the English language. Does that make me a bad person now?[/b]

 

Okay. So I am a small dot, now what? What does that mean? How does that help you? Does it make you seem suddenly smarter? Does it?

No, it was directed at you, not myself. Learn that not everyone does everything for themselves like you do. I feel no smarter and I've gained nothing.

 

Icy is trying to do the best for all of the members on this site. Yes, I am trying to do what is best for myself. Is there something wrong with that? Wouldn't you?

No? You selfish idiot. Seriously, the idea in CC is so that all members including new ones can make cards and get better. Not for you to push your ego to it's limit and do thinks for your own personal gain.

 

Regardless of whether I can or cannot insult your intelligence, being friendly always helps. You see lawyers arguing vigorously cases in courts, but in the end, most of them become friends.

Being friendly always helps, which is exactly what you haven't done against Icy with your "You cannot beat my facts, I'm right" attitude. And that's irrelevant, they are doing their job, not debating over what is morally right like me.

[Dark Mousy]

First thing's first' date=' if you want to have a productive conversation, keep words like a****** out of your posts. It just degrades yourself.

[b']Stop telling me that I'm degrading myself. I'll be the judge of that, not you. Congrats, I said a******, a word in the English language. Does that make me a bad person now?[/b]

Whatever. What's you're point? This is meaningless to me. Bottom line is try to be nice.

 

Okay. So I am a small dot, now what? What does that mean? How does that help you? Does it make you seem suddenly smarter? Does it?

No, it was directed at you, not myself. Learn that not everyone does everything for themselves like you do. I feel no smarter and I've gained nothing.

Then what was the point of typing that? You're arguing against a small dot who is on a completely different level as you are.

 

Icy is trying to do the best for all of the members on this site. Yes, I am trying to do what is best for myself. Is there something wrong with that? Wouldn't you?

No? You selfish idiot. Seriously, the idea in CC is so that all members including new ones can make cards and get better. Not for you to push your ego to it's limit and do thinks for your own personal gain.

I like you. I did not say to make RC a place where everyone is elitist. I'm just simply saying people should put more thought into your posts. I believe this is a good thing. Of course, my method (in your opinion) may be incorrect. The purpose of this conversation is to find out what exactly is the best solution. As of now, you're not helping.

 

Regardless of whether I can or cannot insult your intelligence, being friendly always helps. You see lawyers arguing vigorously cases in courts, but in the end, most of them become friends.

Being friendly always helps, which is exactly what you haven't done against Icy with your "You cannot beat my facts, I'm right" attitude. And that's irrelevant, they are doing their job, not debating over what is morally right like me.

I'm sure "You're just an jabroni that doesn't know anything" isn't any better.

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I forgot to answer your question:

 

It all lies in the economics Icy. It's also my opinion that we need more elitism.

 

Excuse me' date=' are you high? Elitism brings nothing but egotism and a poor society. Get over it, it's rarely appreciate anywhere and YCM is no exception. Also, make up your mind whether we need more Mods or more elitism, as the two directly clash.

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Yes. I was drunk. In hindsight, I do not agree with that.

[Dark Mousy]

Hard facts now.

 

During the 25 minute period where I posted the "This is a test thread." I counted all posts during that period in Realistic Cards, excluding posts where it was by the original thread maker.

 

Alright. I took a look at the post count of the poster, and the number of words it contains.

 

Fair enough?

 

Now, if we were to draw a line of best fit, we have the following equation:

 

y = 0.0142019 x + 11.8444

 

Now, you know from math that 0.0142019 is the slope. This means approximately every 70 posts you make, your average post length will increase by 1 word. Also, a new member to this site is likely to have approximately 12 words on their first post, about 1 and a half sentences.

 

This data is accurate approximately 85% accurate if the 25 minute sample is a true reflection of YCM. Which of course it is not. I will conduct more of these experiments and alert you about the results.

 

Okay. Now, looking at the people with 5,000+ posts.

 

Average length would be about 82 words.

 

I took a some random thread in general, by Tempest Dahlia, who has 7283 posts, and the length: 66 words.

 

Given a 15% room for error, 15% of 82 is 12.3 words, so posts by Tempest Dahlia should have ~ at least 70 words.

 

So this is wrong. I will try again sometime later.

 

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More Results:

 

I posted it around 9:36 EST, I took you about 40 minutes to delete the test thread.

 

I posted the same test thread in Smogon, it took just 3 minutes and 25 seconds for it to be deleted.

 

Now, Brushfire, if you have any complaints, please do so now. I do not have screenshots, but Brushfire, you are more than welcome to try the experiment yourself.

[Brushfire]

No, this time I'll take your post as fact, as it is. But you can post facts all day, without an appropriate course of action it is useless.

 

Also, YCM has a policy on not deleting threads.

[Dark Mousy]

Okay.

 

Before any action was taken.

 

Of course I can post facts all day.

 

What action do you suggest?

 

Speaking of which, I did the same test on Smogon. Their slope was approximately 3 times higher than the one at YCM.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Here we go...

 

Lets talk Archetypes. Opinions, and Techniques on how to use?

[-Griffin]

When you're making a set, it's the easiest and often most effective way to unify them and is a good way to avoid un-needed fake-types or subtypes. However, I find that a lot of the sets I most enjoy are unified by effects, rather than names or support. Such as monsters with work with Appropriate or Greed, or Skill-Drain friendly monsters.

[Dark Mousy]

Should comprised of an overpowered trump card, and several underpowered cards that support the trump card. As is the case with most cards. Ex. JD in Lightsworns. Also, the effects need to have some specific theme, ex. hand control, the pictures should be somewhat related. They can and should have different effects to make it more interesting.

[Monkey]

Not sure if this is the right time to post this but I suppose my idea is relevant to the current topic.

 

I was thinking about making a set or mini set that works when you have a certain amount of cards in your Deck. They will be a little like Infernities because each effect will require a certain number of cards in the Deck. It will force Deck management but yet at the same time have speed because you will be able to return cards from the Graveyard or hand to the Deck to increase your Deck size and to allow yourself to search again. Searching will be important because you will have to maintain a decent Deck size but still get the cards you need. This set is almost anti-LS because it focuses on Deck size rather than Graveyard size. Milling kills this though.

 

Thoughts?

[-Griffin]

It doesn't promote or demote good or bad play just from your idea pitch, so I can't comment on if it will be good without seeing the execution.

[Guest JoshIcy]

It doesn't promote or demote good or bad play just from your idea pitch' date=' so I can't comment on if it will be good without seeing the execution.

[/quote']

 

This. And I do adore the concept.

[Monkey]

Fair enough' date=' once I make the effects, I'll post them here for feedback.

 

EDIT: Off the top of my head, here are some basic effects.

 

Spell

Normal Spell

[i']Return 3 cards in your Graveyard to the bottom of your Deck. Shuffle your Deck [/i]

 

Effect/Tuner

Level 3

While there are less than 25 cards in your Deck, you can treat this card as a Level 2 Tuner. If this card is used for the Synchro Summon of a monster with [insert archetype name here] in it's name, you can return 2 cards in your Graveyard to the bottom of your Deck OR send 1 card in your hand to your Graveyard and draw 1 card.

 

[spoiler=Here are the first 2 of my set.]

 

While there are 25 or less cards in your Deck, you can change the Battle Position of 1 monster on your opponent's field. This effect can only be activated twice per turn. When this card is sent to the Graveyard, you can return 1 card in your Graveyard to your Deck.

 

This card can be Special Summoned from your hand or Deck when 3 or more cards are sent from your Graveyard to your Deck OR sent from your Deck to your Graveyard. Once per turn, you can decrease the ATK and DEF of all monsters on your opponent's field by 500 until your End Phase.

 

 

 

 

I'm thinking that I'm making these cards too powerful, so I might limit how many can be on the field at one time or limit how long they can remain on the field before destroying themselves...

 

I am also not sure about the set name... Avenger... sounds a little unoriginal

[-Griffin]

IMO, it would be better if they controlled the Deck size by RFGing cards and returning them from there. Not just because it's less abusable and more original, but because the "less abusable" thing means that you can make them select certain cards and RFG them, promoting thought on which. That would just leave the problem of abusing Necroface, which I'll leave you to decide how to deal with, if at all.

[Guest JoshIcy]

You need a lot of work. And so far I see that the second would be awesome Lightsworn Synchro Food.

 

EDIT: Here... A Concept Card for you...

[Monkey]

IMO' date=' it would be better if they controlled the Deck size by RFGing cards and returning them from there. Not just because it's less abusable and more original, but because the "less abusable" thing means that you can make them select certain cards and RFG them, promoting thought on which. That would just leave the problem of abusing Necroface, which I'll leave you to decide how to deal with, if at all.

[/quote']

 

Hm, it sounds better to RFG them rather than just send them to the Graveyard. Is it basically to have more control over my deck size? Now that you mention it I feel that if I just sent them to the Graveyard, my opponent can do more to stop me, but if I RFG them, my opponent can't do as much.

 

@Icy: Thanks for the concept card. That is what I had in mind, I just don't think I knew how to put it into organized thoughts.

 

I'll keep you guys posted on this, but I'll take a break from this for a couple of days because of mid terms.

 

http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/thread-182616.html

 

Here is the link to the set. I just felt like making the thread and posting the cards I've made so far. Their effects need some re-doing and fixes. I want to hear what you guys think and what the set needs.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Here we go...

 

 

My first attempt at Positive Deck Control. Or rather, the idea that you promote your opponent to make good plays in order to make them play bad moves.

[MarbleZone]

I've tried doing a card like that. Problem is, effects that imply a card remaining somewhere you cannot see it, if even temporarily, easily turn into a mess. Say they add a card of which they run 3. When they play a copy, you will never be able to tell whether that was the added card or not.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Here we go...

 

 

My first attempt at Positive Deck Control. Or rather' date=' the idea that you promote your opponent to make good plays in order to make them play bad moves.

[/quote']

 

I've tried doing a card like that. Problem is' date=' effects that imply a card remaining somewhere you cannot see it, if even temporarily, easily turn into a mess. Say they add a card of which they run 3. When they play a copy, you will never be able to tell whether that was the added card or not.

[/quote']

 

Assuming they would have more than 1 card in their deck, should any hit the grave/return to the deck then the effect of this card would cancel out.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Here we go...

 

 

My first attempt at Positive Deck Control. Or rather' date=' the idea that you promote your opponent to make good plays in order to make them play bad moves.

[/quote']

 

I've tried doing a card like that. Problem is' date=' effects that imply a card remaining somewhere you cannot see it, if even temporarily, easily turn into a mess. Say they add a card of which they run 3. When they play a copy, you will never be able to tell whether that was the added card or not.

[/quote']

 

Assuming they would have more than 1 card in their deck, should any hit the grave/return to the deck then the effect of this card would cancel out.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Here we go...

 

 

My first attempt at Positive Deck Control. Or rather' date=' the idea that you promote your opponent to make good plays in order to make them play bad moves.

[/quote']

 

I've tried doing a card like that. Problem is' date=' effects that imply a card remaining somewhere you cannot see it, if even temporarily, easily turn into a mess. Say they add a card of which they run 3. When they play a copy, you will never be able to tell whether that was the added card or not.

[/quote']

 

Assuming they would have more than 1 card in their deck, should any hit the grave/return to the deck then the effect of this card would cancel out.

[-Griffin]

Sorry Icy, but that card is horribly UP'd - adding two cards with no/minimal costs and quickly disposing of them for good advantage would make it worse than flat-out running Gift of Greed in most Decks.