I, Dark Phoenix, Challenge Thee, YCM.

[Tempest Dahlia]

Because i'm DEAD. >_>

Throw me in the fire and watch me burn' date=' and don't wast your time with the urn, the fire will take care of my ashes.[/b'] Yeah.

 

OT- So yeah, this really is nothing special/enlightening.

 

Oh my God.

l just inspired myself to write a new poem.

 

@Willeh, yeah, it's different.

[Guest JoshIcy]

OT- So yeah' date=' this really is nothing special/enlightening [b']for me, and quite possibly a few others. But that's not to say it's not for you and those who would be as well.[/b]

 

Fixed.

[Tempest Dahlia]

OT- So yeah' date=' this really is nothing special/enlightening [b']for me, and quite possibly a few others. But that's not to say it's not for you and those who would be as well.[/b]

 

Fixed.

 

No, l'm not everyone, and therefore their opinion is not my concern.

[KurashiDragon]

The death of one person in such a way and suddenly the whole world goes topsy turvy. Imagine what would happen if all the deaths in the entire world like that just poped into your head. I wonder how many people would go insane or kill themselves with the knowledge that this worlds inhabitants are so F***ed up. If for any reason I could possibly put any amount of faith in the hope of an afterlife its so murders like these don't go unpunished at all.

 

All in all it really sucks that things like this have to go on and it's just to bad that this is all apart of life.

[Willieh]

I wish people had more of a grasp on "reality." Being realistic, things like this aren't necessary.

 

I'm just going to try and burn something into your heads:

 

Numbers don't validate a crime. Just because people are murdered everyday, this isn't any less tragic. In fact, it's MORE tragic because of that. The fact that these things happen every day should at least have some affect on your thought processes for a minute or two. Imagine if you sent your child to go to school and some kids stomped him to death. Would you shrug it off and say, "Well this happens to other people everyday. I guess I'll just have to get over it." No, you'd be mortified. This boy's parents were just as mortified.

 

A lot of people being here doesn't mean we aren't individuals.

[The Warden]

That man is quite a powerful speaker, I honestly think that I was almost moved there. In turn, death, life, it is all just a matter of time. It is a destiny, if you will. I think time of death is predetermined in some form in some way, by the looks of it, it was his time. The manner of his death however, is unjust. To destroy a human life, is criminal, but it is in turn a joke, here's the punchline: Humans, they place the value of their own lives above everyone else's. Strip away supposed beliefs of any human, and you'd fine the same thing, the knowledge that a person is alive at the cost of another, and that they're happy because of that fact.

[Brushfire]

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[-Griffin]

I'm sad that he died, I'm annoyed by the preacher.

Honestly, I closed it fairly early on because after spending a long time thinking about various religious stances and deciding on my current one, I absolutely hate hearing people preach "go to our God. Learn our book. We grant salvation. We are the true good." Guess what? Any preacher from any other religion could deliver a just as moving speech but replace Jesus with the appropriate savior, and I've heard people preaching a variety of religion. It's just the whole, "We can't be wrong because {our book/we/the voice in my head} says so." That I hate, and it was the feeling I got from this.

[Guest JoshIcy]

I wish people had more of a grasp on "reality." Being realistic' date=' things like this aren't necessary.

 

I'm just going to try and burn something into your heads:

 

Numbers don't validate a crime. Just because people are murdered everyday, this isn't any less tragic. In fact, it's MORE tragic because of that. The fact that these things happen every day should at least have some affect on your thought processes for a minute or two. Imagine if you sent your child to go to school and some kids stomped him to death. Would you shrug it off and say, "Well this happens to other people everyday. I guess I'll just have to get over it." No, you'd be mortified. This boy's parents were just as mortified.

 

A lot of people being here doesn't mean we aren't individuals.

[/quote']

 

<3

[Amethyst Phoenix]

There's a time to think about people as numbers, and a time to consider each individually.

 

Like on the battlefield, or in a murder case. Circumstances dictate procedure.

 

I detest people who view human life as numbers out of the appropriate context, just to make their argument look superior. You think you're looking noble for remembering the deaths overshadowed for a few days by this one, but what you're really doing is devaluing their lives in an attempt to downplay the horrific act committed here.

 

 

 

As for the sermon, there was a lot of good stuff in there, and his message and intent were both just. While I do disagree with the whole "only we can save the world", I would still include it myself if I were the one making that speech. You know why?

 

If he didn't say that, they'd think someone else would take care of the problem. They'd get all fired up over spreading the gospel for about a week, then they'd go back to their lives as if nothing had happened. By including that tone of urgency, and a sincere declaration that they are the ONLY ones who can do something, they'll be inspired even more-so and called to action.

 

 

 

As for the video, most of it is the sermon, not the murder. The murder tape depicts a gang of people beating the victim with some boards. Very large boards, like the kind you'd see getting lifted around at a big construction site.

 

 

 

As for impact, it's just told me that the world remains in the same balance. For every murderous fiend, there is a paragon of righteousness who rallies the people. However, the righteous win out eventually, because they share their tactics and message with others, and there is trust among them. The scoundrels hoard the tricks of their trade, only divulging a little of what they know to their students, out of fear for their lives and their wealth. They don't trust each-other, there is naught but a shaky alliance permeated by tension, with betrayal ever so common. They die as they lived: unfulfilled and paranoid.

 

Unfortunately, the most emotional aspect (the murder itself), doesn't move me. I know not of this Derrion Albert. I can experience the base sadness of the knowledge that life was pointlessly lost. However, one who knows nothing can understand nothing. I cannot truly fathom the horror of the event, the sorrow of the family, unless I had been involved myself. Which is why I cannot honestly say I was moved.

 

Those at the shore barely feel the ripples of the boulder dropped in the middle of the lake.

[T. Sankara]

I'm sad that he died' date=' I'm annoyed by the preacher.

Honestly, I closed it fairly early on because after spending a long time thinking about various religious stances and deciding on my current one, I absolutely hate hearing people preach "go to [u']our[/u] God. Learn our book. We grant salvation. We are the true good." Guess what? Any preacher from any other religion could deliver a just as moving speech but replace Jesus with the appropriate savior, and I've heard people preaching a variety of religion. It's just the whole, "We can't be wrong because {our book/we/the voice in my head} says so." That I hate, and it was the feeling I got from this.

 

That was the first video on youtube I'd seen about it. You should've just found another link instead of coming here to moan about it. What was unnecessary what was that bullshit you just put in my thread.

[Tabris]

Uh-oh. So I sbumtled on a kucfin' land nime. And I thought this was the blakc makret...

 

... but anyway, Xin Oehp, lord of sirings, "for no apparent reason"? I mean, did ye not somehow extract the reason from anywhere - if not from the Internet, then from some of the kids themselves? There might be a reason here all underlying, however perverted it may be.

 

EDIT: 1:32 and I'm almost teardropped. Crazy sheet, man, but I cannot accept that people could just laugh as THEY beat up a bystander to death AND be/remain sane.

[Dark Mousy]

I'm sad that he died' date=' I'm annoyed by the preacher.

Honestly, I closed it fairly early on because after spending a long time thinking about various religious stances and deciding on my current one, [b']I absolutely hate hearing people preach "go to our God. Learn our book. We grant salvation. We are the true good." Guess what? Any preacher from any other religion could deliver a just as moving speech but replace Jesus with the appropriate savior, and I've heard people preaching a variety of religion. It's just the whole, "We can't be wrong because {our book/we/the voice in my head} says so." That I hate, and it was the feeling I got from this.[/b]

 

Isn't this the case for all religions?

 

Muslim: Anyone who is not beheld by "Allah" is punished and branded as infidels.

Buddist: Anyone who isn't part of the faith is considered "spiritually poor", and was not lucky enough to believe in the faith.

Christian: Those who do not believe in god can not be saved,

 

I can go on and on and on.

[Mehmani]

Horrific. Though I know that as I am taking my next breath, several people around the world will be taking their last. His death is tragic, but one of many.

 

Religious Sermon = ANGER. Using this as an excuse to promote Christianity disgusts me more than the tape itself.

[Guest JoshIcy]

UUgh... Another one.

Don't care about the religion, care about the person who believes it.

[Mehmani]

UUgh... Another one.

Don't care about the religion' date=' care about the person who believes it.

[/quote']

 

I won't say anything, I don't want to start an argument.

[-Griffin]

That was the first video on youtube I'd seen about it. You should've just found another link instead of coming here to moan about it. What was unnecessary what was that bullshit you just put in my thread.

 

I've seen this around' date=' IRL and online, assumed it was common enough you didn't need me to get specific examples. Sorry for offending you.

 

Isn't this the case for all religions?

 

Muslim: Anyone who is not beheld by "Allah" is punished and branded as infidels.

Buddist: Anyone who isn't part of the faith is considered "spiritually poor", and was not lucky enough to believe in the faith.

Christian: Those who do not believe in god can not be saved,

 

I can go on and on and on.

 

Which is why I disagree with organized religion on the whole.

Apart from the fact it genuinely makes some people content, so I try not to complain much.

[Dweller of Parables]

Atheists <_

[Dark Mousy]

Horrific. Though I know that as I am taking my next breath' date=' several people around the world will be taking their last. His death is tragic, but one of many.

 

Religious Sermon = ANGER. [b']Using this as an excuse to promote Christianity disgusts me more than the tape itself.[/b]

 

Why is the bolded wrong?

 

He died in the name of what he believed in. Regardless of what you believe, the Bhuddas, Allah, Jehovah, or even Science, once you do die, people will remember what you believed in.

 

Those people who are trying to assert that he made the right decision in what he chose to believe, there isn't anything wrong with that. Even if you don't believe me there, at least try to realize that they are trying to comfort the family of the kid, don't you have feelings for them?

[T. Sankara]

Horrific. Though I know that as I am taking my next breath' date=' several people around the world will be taking their last. His death is tragic, but one of many.

 

Religious Sermon = ANGER. [b']Using this as an excuse to promote Christianity disgusts me more than the tape itself.[/b]

 

Why is the bolded wrong?

 

He died in the name of what he believed in. Regardless of what you believe, the Bhuddas, Allah, Jehovah, or even Science, once you do die, people will remember what you believed in.

 

Those people who are trying to assert that he made the right decision in what he chose to believe, there isn't anything wrong with that. Even if you don't believe me there, at least try to realize that they are trying to comfort the family of the kid, don't you have feelings for them?

 

I see the point you're trying to make, but it's not that simple. The kid didn't die for what he believed in. He died because some ignorant bastards felt he was in the way. And having feelings for someone has nothing to do with their religion.

 

Hell, I don't even know why religion is so hated. Because you can't understand it? Because you want solid evidence? Because you can find oh so many loopholes in what we believe in? Well it''s just that. A belief. We may not have the facts to support it; we may not have the ability to persuade everyone to believe with us. But that's your choice. And there's no reason we should have to be hated and tossed aside because we believe differently from scientists and philosophers.

 

And before I forget, one more time. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO WATCH IT, USE ANOTHER LINK. SEARCH YOUTUBE. -_-

[Mehmani]

Horrific. Though I know that as I am taking my next breath' date=' several people around the world will be taking their last. His death is tragic, but one of many.

 

Religious Sermon = ANGER. [b']Using this as an excuse to promote Christianity disgusts me more than the tape itself.[/b]

 

Why is the bolded wrong?

 

He died in the name of what he believed in. Regardless of what you believe, the Bhuddas, Allah, Jehovah, or even Science, once you do die, people will remember what you believed in.

 

Those people who are trying to assert that he made the right decision in what he chose to believe, there isn't anything wrong with that. Even if you don't believe me there, at least try to realize that they are trying to comfort the family of the kid, don't you have feelings for them?

 

I see the point you're trying to make, but it's not that simple. The kid didn't die for what he believed in. He died because some ignorant bastards felt he was in the way. And having feelings for someone has nothing to do with their religion.

 

Hell, I don't even know why religion is so hated. Because you can't understand it? Because you want solid evidence? Because you can find oh so many loopholes in what we believe in? Well it''s just that. A belief. We may not have the facts to support it; we may not have the ability to persuade everyone to believe with us. But that's your choice. And there's no reason we should have to be hated and tossed aside because we believe differently from scientists and philosophers.

 

And before I forget, one more time. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO WATCH IT, USE ANOTHER LINK. SEARCH YOUTUBE. -_-

 

You're forcing me to argue.....

['tyleR]

People make me sick. >.> Sermon was okay, but the beating itself was funked up. Look up "RAW Derrion beat to death" or something and you can watch the beating without sermon. Or just copy, paste, and replace "Watch?" and "=" and leave the "v" with a "/" afterwards to watch without it being flagged. :/

 

Anyways, that was sick. People are totally funked up in the head these days. That kid's in my prayers for sure.

[T. Sankara]

Horrific. Though I know that as I am taking my next breath' date=' several people around the world will be taking their last. His death is tragic, but one of many.

 

Religious Sermon = ANGER. [b']Using this as an excuse to promote Christianity disgusts me more than the tape itself.[/b]

 

Why is the bolded wrong?

 

He died in the name of what he believed in. Regardless of what you believe, the Bhuddas, Allah, Jehovah, or even Science, once you do die, people will remember what you believed in.

 

Those people who are trying to assert that he made the right decision in what he chose to believe, there isn't anything wrong with that. Even if you don't believe me there, at least try to realize that they are trying to comfort the family of the kid, don't you have feelings for them?

 

I see the point you're trying to make, but it's not that simple. The kid didn't die for what he believed in. He died because some ignorant bastards felt he was in the way. And having feelings for someone has nothing to do with their religion.

 

Hell, I don't even know why religion is so hated. Because you can't understand it? Because you want solid evidence? Because you can find oh so many loopholes in what we believe in? Well it''s just that. A belief. We may not have the facts to support it; we may not have the ability to persuade everyone to believe with us. But that's your choice. And there's no reason we should have to be hated and tossed aside because we believe differently from scientists and philosophers.

 

And before I forget, one more time. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO WATCH IT, USE ANOTHER LINK. SEARCH YOUTUBE. -_-

 

You're forcing me to argue.....

 

Sorry babe. I love you. D:

[Willieh]

[spoiler=quote]

There's a time to think about people as numbers' date=' and a time to consider each individually.

 

Like on the battlefield, or in a murder case. Circumstances dictate procedure.

 

I detest people who view human life as numbers out of the appropriate context, just to make their argument look superior. You think you're looking noble for remembering the deaths overshadowed for a few days by this one, but what you're really doing is devaluing their lives in an attempt to downplay the horrific act committed here.

 

 

 

As for the sermon, there was a lot of good stuff in there, and his message and intent were both just. While I do disagree with the whole "only we can save the world", I would still include it myself if I were the one making that speech. You know why?

 

If he didn't say that, they'd think someone else would take care of the problem. They'd get all fired up over spreading the gospel for about a week, then they'd go back to their lives as if nothing had happened. By including that tone of urgency, and a sincere declaration that they are the ONLY ones who can do something, they'll be inspired even more-so and called to action.

 

 

 

As for the video, most of it is the sermon, not the murder. The murder tape depicts a gang of people beating the victim with some boards. Very large boards, like the kind you'd see getting lifted around at a big construction site.

 

 

 

As for impact, it's just told me that the world remains in the same balance. For every murderous fiend, there is a paragon of righteousness who rallies the people. However, the righteous win out eventually, because they share their tactics and message with others, and there is trust among them. The scoundrels hoard the tricks of their trade, only divulging a little of what they know to their students, out of fear for their lives and their wealth. They don't trust each-other, there is naught but a shaky alliance permeated by tension, with betrayal ever so common. They die as they lived: unfulfilled and paranoid.

 

Unfortunately, the most emotional aspect (the murder itself), doesn't move me. I know not of this Derrion Albert. I can experience the base sadness of the knowledge that life was pointlessly lost. However, one who knows nothing can understand nothing. I cannot truly fathom the horror of the event, the sorrow of the family, unless I had been involved myself. Which is why I cannot honestly say I was moved.

 

Those at the shore barely feel the ripples of the boulder dropped in the middle of the lake.

[/quote']

 

 

There is never an appropriate time to think of life as only numbers. The lake can sense every ripple.

[Dark]

By using my friend's YouTube account, I was able to watch the video.

 

To me, it seemed like a guy was preaching... about Christianity.

 

And half the things he said didn't make much sense, either.