Abortion

[Yasu]

I'm surprised there wasn't a thread about this.

What are your toughs on abortion?

"Pro-choice" or "Pro-life"?

Pick a side. Discuss.

[The Dark One]

Abortion is an issue with a lot of controversy behind it. Personally, I'm not comfortable with it. But I think that it should still be legal, at least for first and possibly second trimester.

[Scyire]

Abortion should be legal.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

It's supposed to be legal, but if they don't want children don't *sencored*

[Dark]

Let's assume you are a girl. At the moment, you may be a girl, or maybe a boy, or maybe a transvestite. But, just assume you are a girl.

 

You walk home one day and your father rapes you. You have not a clue why. He straps you down to the bed, and you can tell what happens from there. No condoms, nothing.

 

In a few weeks, you realize you are pregnant. This is going to be your child where your father is the father. You are about to give birth to your own brother.

 

Tell me, wouldn't you want to get an abortion? Would you want to give birth to a baby that was created by mistake? By your father's horrible intentions?

 

Even if the baby was going to be adopted, wouldn't you feel horrible just thinking of giving birth? Seriously, it's your fathers damn child. I'd hate to give birth to it.

 

And to further my point, let's assume you are 16, still in high school. You have all of these things to worry about, and now the potential for a baby.

 

Abortion is perfectly fine as long as people don't abuse it.

[Dissonance]

Let's assume you are a girl. At the moment' date=' you may be a girl, or maybe a boy, or maybe a transvestite. But, just assume you are a girl.

 

You walk home one day and your father rapes you. You have not a clue why. He straps you down to the bed, and you can tell what happens from there. No condoms, nothing.

 

In a few weeks, you realize you are pregnant. This is going to be your child where your father is the father. You are about to give birth to your own brother.

 

Tell me, wouldn't you want to get an abortion? Would you want to give birth to a baby that was created by mistake? By your father's horrible intentions?

 

Even if the baby was going to be adopted, wouldn't you feel [i']horrible[/i] just thinking of giving birth? Seriously, it's your fathers damn child. I'd hate to give birth to it.

 

And to further my point, let's assume you are 16, still in high school. You have all of these things to worry about, and now the potential for a baby.

 

Abortion is perfectly fine as long as people don't abuse it.

 

You pick a ridiculous extreme. But you do mention that it's alright as long as "people don't abuse it". Plus, you seem to be the only one here that even knows what the word "debate" means.

 

The problem is, plenty of people will abuse it. Dumb slut 14 year old who gets preggo over the weekend, kills it off and then gets laid again.

 

As TDO says, I'm not comfortable with it. What gives you the right to end the life of another? You really shouldn't even be having sex unless you're willing to deal with all possible consequences of it.

 

I would say that only in extreme cases, which would be looked over in the court of law (such as your example), should abortion be considered.

 

 

But I'm pro-om nom. We eat unwated babies.

[Scatty]

Let's assume you are a girl. At the moment' date=' you may be a girl, or maybe a boy, or maybe a transvestite. But, just assume you are a girl.

 

You walk home one day and your father rapes you. You have not a clue why. He straps you down to the bed, and you can tell what happens from there. No condoms, nothing.

 

In a few weeks, you realize you are pregnant. This is going to be your child where your father is the father. You are about to give birth to your own brother.

 

Tell me, wouldn't you want to get an abortion? Would you want to give birth to a baby that was created by mistake? By your father's horrible intentions?

 

Even if the baby was going to be adopted, wouldn't you feel [i']horrible[/i] just thinking of giving birth? Seriously, it's your fathers damn child. I'd hate to give birth to it.

 

And to further my point, let's assume you are 16, still in high school. You have all of these things to worry about, and now the potential for a baby.

 

Abortion is perfectly fine as long as people don't abuse it.

 

I know 2 or 3 real cases of that happening.

 

 

Anyway...it depends on your perspective.

 

If you are religious, you could say you destroyed a soul, so you are a murderer.

If you are atheist, you could say you merely removed a tumorous part of a woman's body that would have been given a brain and emotions but it doesn't have them yet.

 

So, from my point of view, abortion should be legal, but people should better use condoms anyway.

[Dark]

The problem is, plenty of people will abuse it. Dumb slut 14 year old who gets preggo over the weekend, kills it off and then gets laid again.

 

This may be some flawed logic, but I'd like to stay with my point even if I'm about to be proved wrong.

 

Let's say you buy a robot. And you name it Quickman. You love your Quickman. He helps you get work around the house done. But one day, Quickman goes crazy and destroys your house. You know you can fix this problem, but the government decides to take your Quickman and kill it off, so it can't cause any more destruction.

 

You programmed Quickman in such a way so that any destruction it causes will go to you. Meaning, you are the only one harmed by Quickman's malfunctions. Likewise, you are the only one benefitted. You love Quickman so much, but the government is taking him away. How would you feel?

 

If I was a 14 year old girl, why should anyone else tell me to keep my baby? It's my possession, and like you with Quickman, it's my choice to keep it or not, correct? Well, and the husband's. But that complicates things.

 

What I meant by abuse is if the hospital sees that this is your 3rd or 4th time getting an abortion. After x amount of times, they can infer you are abusing this process and thus restrict you from getting an abortion.

 

I'm pro-choice, but in limits.

 

And let's not get started on umbilical cords. That's a fun topic to debate. Especially when you get morals into it. Because you cannot use morals in a debate and expect to sway other people.

[Luna Lovegood]

I'm pro-choice. If a baby cannot be supported, then it shouldn't be born into a bad world.

[Dark]

I'm pro-choice. If a baby cannot be supported' date=' then it shouldn't be born into a bad world.

[/quote']

 

There is always adoption, but it would suck to not be with your real parents from day 1.

 

And you can always leave your baby in a trash can. That's perfectly fine these days. :/

[Luna Lovegood]

I'm pro-choice. If a baby cannot be supported' date=' then it shouldn't be born into a bad world.

[/quote']

 

There is always adoption, but it would suck to not be with your real parents from day 1.

 

And you can always leave your baby in a trash can. That's perfectly fine these days. :/

 

Adoption has problems of its own. People's lives are sometimes ruined because of it.

[CinnamonStar]

Make it legal but in limits and prevent abuse, within the means of possibilities.

 

And I refuse to say that I'm "not pro-life" because of that, I think the whole classifying terms are dumb like most classifying terms. I agree with the pro-choice notion but honestly, I'd say my point of view is more pro-life than the other one.:/

Yeah just on the sidelines...

 

It's a personal subject so it should be kept that way. But in order to ensure personal choice I think the best way to do so is to make it legal. Now assumed it is, you're still an individual and can still pick the way you want. Nothing keeps you from not going for it but at least if it's legal the women who are in a different case, may it be rape or anything I can't think about, have the possibility and don't have to go abroad and get an illegal abortion. That may not be controlled and secure and thus cause additional issues.

 

I'd say, if personally I ever fall into that case (it could've happened but I took the Norlevo pill before I got the plaster *phew* o_o''), then I'd rather choose an adoption.

 

I say globally, for the good of the people and freedom, make it legal but when it comes to my little self and her case, I still keep my opinion and right to not choose it.

 

And within limits and trying to prevent abuse, I heavily agree with that.:/ It will never be possible to prevent abuse from anything, may it be drugs, alcohol, abortion, but if a 15-year-old fucks with everyone, aborts, starts again as if nothing happened then obviously something is very wrong.:/ It's still an abortion, something with an emotional impact on the person in question so it shouldn't be taken like some kind of funny game.

 

...How was that called again? Not pro-choice, not pro-life, against these irresponsible sluts or something.

Yeah that'd fit in...

 

I'm pro-choice. If a baby cannot be supported' date=' then it shouldn't be born into a bad world.

[/quote']

 

There is always adoption, but it would suck to not be with your real parents from day 1.

 

And you can always leave your baby in a trash can. That's perfectly fine these days. :/

 

What? Nah I think the whole adoption issues are overrated, from the child's point of view at least...and this coming from someone who got adopted herself. I guess from the woman's perspective and maybe if you're really a sensitive family-attached person then it's hurtful.

But I guess I'm not much of a family person and even less a "roots" person anyway so it doesn't bother me.

(I'm pro-adoption too.)

[☨Genocide ☨]

I really can't see much of a way in "abuse," as many pregnancies in a row will more than likely kill the mother. I am all for abortion, as there are many rape victims that survive and discover that they are pregnant. They should never have to raise the child of a rapist. Also, ff the parents are not ready for a child, they should not have to raise it if they cannot give the child a fair life. For example, my sister had an abortion becuase at the time her husband was in jail (She got prenant before he went). She was a waitress that worked her ass off 9 hours a day and could barely support herself. She could not raise a child and gave it up...she DID have another baby when things were okay, but abortion the first time was best. Putting aside humane thought, scientifically, abortion would contribute to stem cells research which can change the lives of thousands of people, including ones who lost limbs fighting in war. So I am completely pro abortion.

[HeadshotMagnet]

Always seems to be Abortion this...Abortion that.

 

I, personally, think that the whole subject of abortion is completely stupid. I have no support for abortion.

[Scatty]

Make it legal but in limits and prevent abuse' date=' within the means of possibilities.

 

And I refuse to say that I'm "not pro-life" because of that, I think the whole classifying terms are dumb like most classifying terms. I agree with the pro-choice notion but honestly, I'd say my point of view is more pro-life than the other one.:/

Yeah just on the sidelines...

 

It's a personal subject so it should be kept that way. But in order to ensure personal choice I think the best way to do so is to make it legal. Now assumed it is, you're still an individual and can still pick the way you want. Nothing keeps you from not going for it but at least if it's legal the women who are in a different case, may it be rape or anything I can't think about, have the possibility and don't have to go abroad and get an illegal abortion. That may not be controlled and secure and thus cause additional issues.

 

I'd say, if personally I ever fall into that case (it could've happened but I took the Norlevo pill before I got the plaster *phew* o_o''), then I'd rather choose an adoption.

 

I say globally, for the good of the people and freedom, make it legal but when it comes to my little self and her case, I still keep my opinion and right to not choose it.

 

And within limits and trying to prevent abuse, I heavily agree with that.:/ It will never be possible to prevent abuse from anything, may it be drugs, alcohol, abortion, but if a 15-year-old fucks with everyone, aborts, starts again as if nothing happened then obviously something is very wrong.:/ It's still an abortion, something with an emotional impact on the person in question so it shouldn't be taken like some kind of funny game.

 

...How was that called again? Not pro-choice, not pro-life, against these irresponsible sluts or something.

Yeah that'd fit in...

 

I'm pro-choice. If a baby cannot be supported' date=' then it shouldn't be born into a bad world.

[/quote']

 

There is always adoption, but it would suck to not be with your real parents from day 1.

 

And you can always leave your baby in a trash can. That's perfectly fine these days. :/

 

What? Nah I think the whole adoption issues are overrated, from the child's point of view at least...and this coming from someone who got adopted herself. I guess from the woman's perspective and maybe if you're really a sensitive family-attached person then it's hurtful.

But I guess I'm not much of a family person and even less a "roots" person anyway so it doesn't bother me.

(I'm pro-adoption too.)

 

Touchy...really touchy.

I really can't see much of a way in "abuse' date='" as many pregnancies in a row will more than likely kill the mother.

[/quote']

 

For your information, this is not the 14th century.

 

 

 

Anyway, back to the topic. It's not like sluts would abuse abortion for their sexual pleasure, so stop saying that, people! A contraceptive pill or a condom always save the day.

[MarshyK-XS]

I think abortion should be used if need (I.e If you have had too many children or are too young to have a baby or dont have the responsibility to look after it.)

 

I personally do not like the idea however :(

 

MK

[Tabris]

You pick a ridiculous extreme. But you do mention that it's alright as long as "people don't abuse it". Plus' date=' you seem to be the only one here that even knows what the word "debate" means.

 

The problem is, plenty of people will abuse it. Dumb slut 14 year old who gets preggo over the weekend, kills it off and then gets laid again.

 

As TDO says, I'm not comfortable with it. What gives you the right to end the life of another? You really shouldn't even be having sex unless you're willing to deal with all possible consequences of it.

 

I would say that only in extreme cases, which would be looked over in the court of law (such as your example), should abortion be considered.

[/quote']

 

You pick an extremely common scenario. But, due to my unusually permissive nature and the fact that your slut will be usually unprepared, or at least caught-off guard, and might be unable to provide for the resultant child, I think abortion should be allowed.

 

You'd be punishin' another being either way - clump of cells or immature pediatric - so why let him see ye for the rootless slut that ye are?

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Oh, and adoption? I think we have Dark for an answer.

[CrabHelmet]

Gotta watch out for abuse. After all, you know how many women are mustache-twirling villains who will deliberately get themselves pregnant and then get an abortion just for fun. Why? Because they're evil, of course.

[Dissonance]

Gotta watch out for abuse. After all' date=' you know how many women are mustache-twirling villains who will deliberately get themselves pregnant and then get an abortion just for fun. Why? Because they're evil, of course.

[/quote']

 

You don't know what kind of high you get from having a crushed fetus vacuumed from your body. It's intoxicating.

[Lonk]

I am pro-choice. My reasons are not personal, but I believe it will do the world a better good in population reduction. The World is already populated enough, exceeding the population of over 60 billion people. Why increase the population even more? It is a simple equation:

 

Baby + World = an increase in population. Increase in population to the x power = resource consumption.

 

This is why I believe that abortion should be a definete solution when dealing with Teenage Pregnancy (and that in the future, people will have leginimate children and their children will wonder if they had an older sibling).

[Scatty]

Gotta watch out for abuse. After all' date=' you know how many women are mustache-twirling villains who will deliberately get themselves pregnant and then get an abortion just for fun. Why? Because they're evil, of course.

[/quote']

Your sarcasm is great when you don't make fun of my selfish TGC perspective.

 

I am pro-choice. My reasons are not personal' date=' but I believe it will do the world a better good in population reduction. The World is already populated enough, exceeding the population of over 60 billion people.

[/quote']

 

Are you mad or what?! We are 6 POINT 8 billion, kiddo.

[Yasu]

Gotta watch out for abuse. After all' date=' you know how many women are mustache-twirling villains who will deliberately get themselves pregnant and then get an abortion just for fun. Why? Because they're evil, of course.

[/quote']

 

Pretty much this.

Most people learn by trial and error tough >:3

[blaze.]

Gotta watch out for abuse. After all' date=' you know how many women are mustache-twirling villains who will deliberately get themselves pregnant and then get an abortion just for fun. Why? Because they're evil, of course.

[/quote']

 

I knew women were all sorts of evil, but thats just sick...

[The Dark One]

People keep talking about preventing 14 year old sluts from getting an abortion... WTF?

 

Do you want a child being raised by a 14 year old slut?

 

It's not a solution to keep a "repeated offender" from getting an abortion. They should get teh operation, but then they should be sterilized.

 

And maybe the father should be too.

 

 

I know it's harsh, but repeated teen pregnancy shows a fundamental immaturity, and these kids should not be having sex if they can't properly regulate themselves. Use a funking condom.

[Dissonance]

People keep talking about preventing 14 year old sluts from getting an abortion... WTF?

 

Do you want a child being raised by a 14 year old slut?

 

It's not a solution to keep a "repeated offender" from getting an abortion. They should get teh operation' date=' but then they should be sterilized.

 

And maybe the father should be too.

 

 

I know it's harsh, but repeated teen pregnancy shows a fundamental immaturity, and these kids should not be having sex if they can't properly regulate themselves. Use a f***ing condom.

[/quote']

 

Adoption, while not ideal, is a viable solution to the issue. There have been studies that show that some psychological issues may arise from growing up in an orphanage//moving through various foster families. It really boils down to whether you believe that the fetus (at...whatever the time is for it to be legal for abortion) is considered a living thing or not/ whether it is moral to destroy it.

 

Actually, sterilization of a "repeat offender" seems like a rather logical choice....