jackmen10 Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Project Justice - AlphaBy: SuperiorSaturday Archive: http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id62053 Main Deck:Monsters: :2::2:2 Armageddon Knight1 Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind1 Dark Armed Dragon2 Destiny Hero - Malicious2 Doomcaliber Knight2 Doomsday Horror3 Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer2 Necroface2 Phantom of Chaos1 Plaguespreader Zombie1 Sangan3 The Dark Creator Spells: :1::4:2 Allure of Darkness3 Book of Moon2 Burial from a Different Dimension2 Gold Sarcophagus2 Monster Reincarnation1 Smashing Ground2 Soul Release Traps: :9:1 Call of the Haunted3 Dark Bribe2 Escape from the Dark Dimension1 Mirror Force1 Return from the Different Dimension1 Torrential Tribute Total: :4::5: Sideboard: :1::5:2 Chaos Sorcerer1 Dust Tornado1 Heavy Storm3 Honest2 Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress1 Mystical Space Typhoon2 Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter3 Thunder King Rai-Oh It needs some work, but I can side into Twilight if I need too. Extra Deck: N/AJust generic synchros.------------------------------------------------------------------------Here is my main project, currently in it's second phase (the first was too focused on the milling aspect of the deck, and this caused much more reliance on luck and only 1, difficult to obtain, win condition). The goal I was aiming for was to create a deck that could completely diminish the opponent's resources very quickly while granting myself advantage, I settled upon a Necroface engine for the deck. It normally starts by using Necroface's ability a few times at the start of the duel, then pressuring the opponent with constant abuse of his effect and revival of Kycoo, normally through the Dark Creator's ability. After I have gained control I just beatstick over and over again until I win, or deck the opponent out with more Necroface abuse. The deck is still under testing and I doubt this will be it's final incarnation, the main problems with the deck so far seem to be over reliance on luck (a la Lightsworn), a slow start and difficulty of building itself up again after the opponent has pulled off a particularly explosive move (summoning DaD, JD, Blackwing synchro swarm, etc...). I am obviously still looking for advice on the deck. So constructive criticism is appreciated, I'd also like to know how the deck goes if anyone tries it out! I am especially looking for a better monster to revive than Kycoo, I need one that can control the field better. Doomcaliber would be perfect but he can't be special summoned. ~Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 to many things going on.... pick 1 particular theme, not a muddle of a few different ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackmen10 Posted February 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 to many things going on.... pick 1 particular theme' date=' not a muddle of a few different ones.[/quote'] You probably wouldn't understand unless you've tested the deck, but that is the whole point of it. Drop necroface as fast as possible and abuse The Dark Creator along with Burial from a Different Dimension and stuff to lock down the field while I continue to mill the opponent out. Then I can go in for the kill when they are low on resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 i know what the deck can do, but any Tier 1 deck will beat you before you have the chance...if you want to mill, run Necromill OTK, if you want to abuse Dark Creator, run a Turbo Dark Deck. at 45 cards as well, your deck lacks speed and needs to go on a diet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackmen10 Posted February 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 i know what the deck can do' date=' but any Tier 1 deck will beat you before you have the chance...if you want to mill, run Necromill OTK, if you want to abuse Dark Creator, run a Turbo Dark Deck. at 45 cards as well, your deck lacks speed and needs to go on a diet.[/quote'] the deck often gets atleast 2 mills with necroface before the third turn, please try it out, there is a link at the top. And 45 cards is to stop me decking out, sorry if this comes off as rude but, duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 LS decks mill faster than you and they run 40 cards. if you deck out running a mill deck, your running it wrong...sorry to sound rude but duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackmen10 Posted February 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 LS decks mill faster than you and they run 40 cards. if you deck out running a mill deck' date=' your running it wrong...sorry to sound rude but duh.[/quote'] That's because Lightsworn can win in a few turns, my deck takes time. Lightsworns also runs Pot of Avarice a lot of the time and sometimes Transmigration Prophecy. And the extra 5 cards doesn't hurt the deck, I can't think of a way cutting 5 cards would be beneficial unless some serious changes to the card line-up were made. And repeating what I said isn't cool or smart, it's just stupid and doesn't fit the context. It was quite obvious that I was running extra cards so I wouldn't mill myself out (which happened a few times before I added the extra cards, can you please just try out the deck!?) hence the duh, and I knew that would come off as rude so I put in the sorry. When the mill card in question (Necroface) MILLS YOUR DECK AS WELL I think it would be pretty hard not too deck yourself in that type of mill deck because you are losing THE SAME AMOUNT OF CARDS AS YOUR OPPONENT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Project Justice - AlphaBy: SuperiorSaturday Archive: http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id62053 Main Deck:Monsters: :2::2:2 Armageddon Knight1 Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind1 Dark Armed Dragon2 Destiny Hero - Malicious2 Doomcaliber Knight not needed' date=' remove [/b']2 Doomsday Horror again, not needed 3 Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer side deck 2, remove the third 2 Necroface remove, conflicts more than helps 2 Phantom of Chaos1 Plaguespreader Zombie1 Sangan3 The Dark Creator drop all 3, not needed Spells: :1::4:2 Allure of Darkness3 Book of Moon drop 1. 3 is overkill [/b[2 Burial from a Different Dimension2 Gold Sarcophagus only 1 is needed as necroface is gone 2 Monster Reincarnation remove 1 Smashing Ground2 Soul Release remove Traps: :9:1 Call of the Haunted3 Dark Bribe remove 1 2 Escape from the Dark Dimension remove 1 Mirror Force1 Return from the Different Dimension remove 1 Torrential Tribute Total: :4::5: Sideboard: :1::5:2 Chaos Sorcerer1 Dust Tornado1 Heavy Storm3 Honest2 Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress1 Mystical Space Typhoon2 Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter3 Thunder King Rai-Oh It needs some work, but I can side into Twilight if I need too. Extra Deck: N/AJust generic synchros.------------------------------------------------------------------------Here is my main project, currently in it's second phase (the first was too focused on the milling aspect of the deck, and this caused much more reliance on luck and only 1, difficult to obtain, win condition). The goal I was aiming for was to create a deck that could completely diminish the opponent's resources very quickly while granting myself advantage, I settled upon a Necroface engine for the deck. It normally starts by using Necroface's ability a few times at the start of the duel, then pressuring the opponent with constant abuse of his effect and revival of Kycoo, normally through the Dark Creator's ability. After I have gained control I just beatstick over and over again until I win, or deck the opponent out with more Necroface abuse. The deck is still under testing and I doubt this will be it's final incarnation, the main problems with the deck so far seem to be over reliance on luck (a la Lightsworn), a slow start and difficulty of building itself up again after the opponent has pulled off a particularly explosive move (summoning DaD, JD, Blackwing synchro swarm, etc...). I am obviously still looking for advice on the deck. So constructive criticism is appreciated, I'd also like to know how the deck goes if anyone tries it out! I am especially looking for a better monster to revive than Kycoo, I need one that can control the field better. Doomcaliber would be perfect but he can't be special summoned. ~Saturday. +1 Elemental Hero Stratos+2 Deep Sea Diva+1 Destiny Hero Dasher+2 Destiny Hero Diamond Dude+3 Destiny Draw+2 Miracle Fusion+2 Mystic Tomato+1 Giant Trunade+1 Heavy Storm+1 Brain Control+1 Mind Control+2 Elemental Hero Absolute Zero to Extra Deckthere.. i've cut 5 cards. and added a draw engine. should give you more consistency and the ability to game on turn 3 if you play correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 im just suggesting what i would do. Dark Decks are powerful and consistent and usually win within 1-2 turns. nothing is remotely wrong with your deck, but it runs a tad slow, too slow to have a major impact upon a tier 1 deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackmen10 Posted February 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 im just suggesting what i would do. Dark Decks are powerful and consistent and usually win within 1-2 turns. nothing is remotely wrong with your deck' date=' but it runs a tad slow, too slow to have a major impact upon a tier 1 deck.[/quote'] Well yea, but if I wanted a dark deck, I would make a dark deck, it's alright to make this deck more consistent by adding in Dark deck elements, but taking out the necroface system is taking out a whole part of the deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 then ill try find a decklist for a Necromill OTK, its an OTK revolving around Necroface. this is Dark Armed Zombie's Necromill build...ive test it, and its awesome Monsters: [13] 1| Cyber Dragon3| Cyber Valley2| Dimensional Alchemist3| Grinder Golem2| Necroface2| Tragoedia Spells: [18] 2| Allure of Darkness1| Card Destruction1| D.D.R. - Different Dimension Reincarnation1| Giant Trunade2| Golden Sarcophagus2| Hand Destruction1| Heavy Storm1| Hidden Armory3| Inferno Tempest2| Lightning Vortex2| Soul Absorption Traps: [9] 2| Bottomless Trap Hole1| Mirror Force1| Return from the Different Dimension1| Solemn Judgment1| Torrential Tribute3| Waboku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackmen10 Posted February 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 then ill try find a decklist for a Necromill OTK' date=' its an OTK revolving around Necroface. this is Dark Armed Zombie's Necromill build...ive test it, and its awesome Monsters: [13'] 1| Cyber Dragon3| Cyber Valley2| Dimensional Alchemist3| Grinder Golem2| Necroface2| Tragoedia Spells: [18] 2| Allure of Darkness1| Card Destruction1| D.D.R. - Different Dimension Reincarnation1| Giant Trunade2| Golden Sarcophagus2| Hand Destruction1| Heavy Storm1| Hidden Armory3| Inferno Tempest2| Lightning Vortex2| Soul Absorption Traps: [9] 2| Bottomless Trap Hole1| Mirror Force1| Return from the Different Dimension1| Solemn Judgment1| Torrential Tribute3| Waboku Once again, that's Necroface Mill.I created an original decktype which uses Necroface Mill to gain advantage while still beating down the opponent in traditional Dark-style, and that is the formula I want to keep. I could build a Necroface Mill Deck or I could build a Dark Deck, but that isn't my style, I create new decks. And while I haven't tested that specific build, my deck is much more consistent than most Necroface builds I hve played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackmen10 Posted February 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 then ill try find a decklist for a Necromill OTK' date=' its an OTK revolving around Necroface. this is Dark Armed Zombie's Necromill build...ive test it, and its awesome Monsters: [13'] 1| Cyber Dragon3| Cyber Valley2| Dimensional Alchemist3| Grinder Golem2| Necroface2| Tragoedia Spells: [18] 2| Allure of Darkness1| Card Destruction1| D.D.R. - Different Dimension Reincarnation1| Giant Trunade2| Golden Sarcophagus2| Hand Destruction1| Heavy Storm1| Hidden Armory3| Inferno Tempest2| Lightning Vortex2| Soul Absorption Traps: [9] 2| Bottomless Trap Hole1| Mirror Force1| Return from the Different Dimension1| Solemn Judgment1| Torrential Tribute3| Waboku Once again, that's Necroface Mill.I created an original decktype which uses Necroface Mill to gain advantage while still beating down the opponent in traditional Dark-style, and that is the formula I want to keep. I could build a Necroface Mill Deck or I could build a Dark Deck, but that isn't my style, I create new decks. And while I haven't tested that specific build, my deck is much more consistent than most Necroface builds I hve played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 i give up. if you dont want to accept advice or deck fixes, why post the deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackmen10 Posted February 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 i give up. if you dont want to accept advice or deck fixes' date=' why post the deck?[/quote'] Are you reading what I'm saying!?You said you were offering deck FIXES not overhauls. There is no point in fixing a deck by changing it into a better deck. Once again, I'll use the example that it is like turning Twilight into Lightsworn. I'm accepting fixes, if there are no ways it can be made better (WITHOUT changing the deck type), than it has achieved it's purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 ok, then here. -2 Soul Release-2 Doomsday Horror+ Giant Trunade+ Heavy Storm+ Brain Control+ Mind Control staples are needed in everydeck. plus the above cards arent really needed..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackmen10 Posted February 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 ok' date=' then here. -2 Soul Release-2 Doomsday Horror+ Giant Trunade+ Heavy Storm+ Brain Control+ Mind Control staples are needed in everydeck. plus the above cards arent really needed.....[/quote'] I'll playtest, but the Doomsday's have helped me quite a bit in the past. Thanks for the advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 as much as they would have helped, Trunade and Heavy will help you more. and Brain/Mind are just awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professional Duelist Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 The deck conflicts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackmen10 Posted February 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 The deck conflicts.. How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 then ill try find a decklist for a Necromill OTK' date=' its an OTK revolving around Necroface. this is Dark Armed Zombie's Necromill build...ive test it, and its awesome Monsters: [13'] 1| Cyber Dragon3| Cyber Valley2| Dimensional Alchemist3| Grinder Golem2| Necroface2| Tragoedia Spells: [18] 2| Allure of Darkness1| Card Destruction1| D.D.R. - Different Dimension Reincarnation1| Giant Trunade2| Golden Sarcophagus2| Hand Destruction1| Heavy Storm1| Hidden Armory3| Inferno Tempest2| Lightning Vortex2| Soul Absorption Traps: [9] 2| Bottomless Trap Hole1| Mirror Force1| Return from the Different Dimension1| Solemn Judgment1| Torrential Tribute3| Waboku Wait, I made a Necromill that was actually good? Huh... I so didn't get that when I tested it :S then again, I think I tested it vs. a deck on DMU... *still in shock that he made a good Necromill* I think this calls for a repost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Hahaha, yeah i tested it a my locals for lolz....i ended up winning....... nobody expected it i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Blind siding people usually does that, that's how Jeff Jones won SJC with DrainDAD, in addition to being a good deck that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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