Elle the Alluring

[Darj]

This little Succubus will help you to gain advantage, but for a limited Time only so you better hurry up...

 

You canTribute this card to draw cards until you have 4 cards in your hand. During your 2nd Standby Phase, remove from play all cards drawn by this card's effect.

 

-The cards are removed from your hand, field or Graveyard.

 

-Her name makes reference to the card "Allure of Darkness", which also let's you draw cards and may removes a card from play.

 

Overpowered? Underpowered? Any changes I could make? Please let me know.

 

 

Image created by: maxwindy from Deviantart

 

 

EDIT: Added the part of the effect in bold.

[Shinzuku]

1. Im liking the art, not really YGO-ish tho.

2. Her effect is plain broken, you should re-word it to say "During your 2nd Standby Phase after activation of this effect, remove from play all cards in your hand."

[-SupernovA-]

I might be mistaken, but I thought there was a 3 card draw limit...and if you just laid down your last card...eh.

 

If Pot of Greed was banned, this card would be as well, even if they were removed from play.

 

 

1. Im liking the art' date=' not really YGO-ish tho.

2. Her effect is plain broken, you should re-word it to say "During your 2nd Standby Phase after activation of this effect, remove from play all cards in your hand."

[/quote']

 

@2. No, because then say you had 2 cards in your hand before the effect took place, they would be removed from play also even though they weren't drawn due to the effect.

 

As for the effect I'd do it this way;

 

You can Tribute this card to draw cards until you have 4 cards in your hand. During your 2nd Standby Phase, remove from play all cards drawn by this card's effect.

 

I myself havn't see a card that does quite what this one does, so-

 

Quote Jovi Siagian

"If a user creates a card with a unique effect, that has no Officially Correct Way of wording it, then the card can be looked to be correct, and the way it is worded is fine."

[Darj]

I see. I didn't know about the 3 card limit, but yeah, I think I had to assume it because "Mirage of Nightmare" lets you draw 4 cards and is banned.

 

I chose 4 cards because I thought this card as a double-edged sword: if you draw powerful cards that cannot be played in 2 turns (like DAD, other Nomi monsters or high leveled monsters), you would lose them eventually. Also, remember you must have no cards in hand in order to draw the 4 plus don't forget that you must Tribute the monster (even more card disadvantage), which means you must be in serious disadvantage first if you wish to use this effect at its best.

 

1. Im liking the art' date=' not really YGO-ish tho.

2. Her effect is plain broken, you should re-word it to say "During your 2nd Standby Phase after activation of this effect, remove from play all cards in your hand."

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I don't think that effect is any better: you could Set as many cards as possible before your 2nd Standby Phase to reduce the cost to 1 card (the one you just drew at the Draw Phase)

 

 

I would like to read more opinions before making any changes. However, I will add the "You can" to the first effect.

[-SupernovA-]

I see. I didn't know about the 3 card limit' date=' but yeah, I think I had to assume it because "Mirage of Nightmare" lets you draw 4 cards and is banned.

 

I chose 4 cards because I thought this card as a double-edged sword: if you draw powerful cards that cannot be played in 2 turns (like DAD, other Nomi monsters or high leveled monsters), you would lose them eventually. Also, remember you must have no cards in hand in order to draw the 4 plus don't forget that you must Tribute the monster (even more card disadvantage), which means you must be in serious disadvantage first if you wish to use this effect at its best.

 

1. Im liking the art, not really YGO-ish tho.

2. Her effect is plain broken, you should re-word it to say "During your 2nd Standby Phase after activation of this effect, remove from play all cards in your hand."

 

I don't think that effect is any better: you could Set as many cards as possible before your 2nd Standby Phase to reduce the cost to 1 card (the one you just drew at the Draw Phase)

 

 

I would like to read more opinions before making any changes. However, I will add the "You can" to the first effect.

 

I don't see it say anywhere that you have to have no cards in your hand for the effect to take place...the way its worded, from what I understand, it means that if you have 1 card in your hand, and tribute the card, you would draw until you had 4, which means you'd draw 3 cards.

 

 

Edit: Holy crap I forgot to rate >_>

 

8/10

[Darj]

Of course, I never said otherwise. I just stated that if you wanted to use this card's effect at its fullest (draw the maximum cards as possible, that is 4), you had to have an empty hand, and in most cases no hand=disadvantage.

 

What I was trying to say write is that I think my card is balanced because you need to be in disadvantage first in order to obtain the most from it.

[animetorr]

Of course' date=' I never said otherwise. I just stated that if you wanted to use this card's effect at its fullest (draw the maximum cards as possible, that is 4), you had to have an empty hand, and in most cases no hand=disadvantage.

 

What I was trying to [s']say[/s] write is that I think my card is balanced because you need to be in disadvantage first in order to obtain the most from it.

 

This card can be quite powerful with D.D. monsters and Necroface + Soul Absorbtion + Return, but what are the odds of getting them all in a few turns? :] It's pretty balanced imo unless you can set all of your hand cards and summon/tribute. It has the potential to be very dangerous lol.

[-Griffin]

Very broken. It can easily be a +3, and being a DARK just fuels the Graveyards for many Decks, not to mention it's searchable. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were FTK engines with this. I believe it would be banned in an instant.

[RAEGING D0GKING]

I dont think it would be banned.

It would be useful but not for much.

This is what you could do.

You have no cards in your hand.

Tribute it.

Draw 4 cards.

Summon a monster

Then somehow use them all.

Thats all I could figure out how it would help my deck.

9/10

[ragnarok1945]

nice replacement for Mirage of Nightmare to let you have similar draw power

 

I guess if you can use up all 4 cards you drew it would be OPed, but I doubt you could

 

8.3/10

[-Griffin]

I dont think it would be banned.

 

It would be. For sure.

A top-level game rarely lasts more than what' date=' 7 turns? I think that's too generous, usually less. If you don't win for 2 Standbys with fast Decks after a +3, you must be playing terribly. Because fast, well-built Decks would almost always win DURING THE TURN they used this, and definitely by the end of the next, I'd happily call it broken.

 

Even in slower, more casual Decks, it's very rare that a good player would ever let a card get removed by this. It's a broken +3. It [u']would[/u] be banned.

[Darj]

Alright then.

 

So, to balance it, what changes could I make?

 

I could change the effect to "remove the cards during the next Standby Phase" (not the second), but that would only make of her a monster version of "Mirage of Nightmare". And if I change the effect to "draw" 2 cards" it would be a monster version of "Allure of Darkness" itself, and what I seek here is originality.

 

Or maybe I could increase her level to 5 (and her ATK and DEF as well) so she will be harder to Summon, which would balance things out?

[Leturn Master]

Alright then.

 

So' date=' to balance it, what changes could I make?

 

I could change the effect to "remove the cards during the next Standby Phase" (not the second), but that would only make of her a monster version of "Mirage of Nightmare". And if I change the effect to "draw" 2 cards" it would be a monster version of "Allure of Darkness" itself, and what I seek here is originality.

 

Or maybe I could increase her level to 5 (and her ATK and DEF as well) so she will be harder to Summon, which would balance things out?

[/quote']

 

If you're shooting for originality, don't try draw engines.

 

If you wanna try balance... you could go w/some ridiculous LP cost of 3000-5000 or something... maybe 1000-1500 for every card you draw.

 

If you made paying a requirement, I bet this girl would only be run in more than 1 copy in Psychic Decks, but might see use in higher-level Decks (at most being played at 1 copy).

 

If you did that, she'd also be better as a Psychic-type... to fit in with the whole strategy.

[Guest Neo Fusion]

good card, dont see any errors

[Darj]

If you're shooting for originality' date=' don't try draw engines.

 

If you wanna try balance... you could go w/some ridiculous LP cost of 3000-5000 or something... maybe 1000-1500 for every card you draw.

 

If you made paying a requirement, I bet this girl would only be run in more than 1 copy in Psychic Decks, but might see use in higher-level Decks (at most being played at 1 copy).

 

If you did that, she'd also be better as a Psychic-type... to fit in with the whole strategy.

[/quote']

 

I am not trying to be stubborn here, but I really don't want to leave the "Allure" theme of this card, so Psychics or a non-drawing effect are not an option.

 

I was just thinking in lowering the drawn cards to 3 (so it would give at the most +2 of card advantage), and force the card removal until the End Phase of the turn. That is: less cards for less Time. Is that balanced enough?