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This card is similar but different from a type-killer. It's a punisher. Type-killers destroy certain types without reason, whereas punishers stop reckless playstyles and unskilled cards such as Heavy. If the game had more tactical, skill-based nukes and the such then this card could and should go, but as of now it should stay.

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Royal Oppression: "Royal Oppression" may negate the effect of "Starlight Road"' date=' even though it is unknown at activation whether or not "Starlight Road" will Special Summon "Stardust Dragon". "Royal Oppression" may negate the effect of "Starlight Road" even if "Stardust Dragon" may not be Special Summoned, such as if "Vanity's Fiend" is on the field or if there is no "Stardust Dragon" in the Extra Deck.[12']

 

If that ruling is correct. Worst. Ruling. EVER.

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Coffee Black Newbie

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Should be limited' date=' if not forbidden.

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Your banning the wrong card.

 

aggreed, it even netures the stardust to an one-time only state.

 

nothing about this card is OP'd enough to warrent listing.

 

yeah. It changes the way a person plays a little bit, it could even be game winning, but this won't be banned.

 

 

Royal Oppression: "Royal Oppression" may negate the effect of "Starlight Road"' date=' even though it is unknown at activation whether or not "Starlight Road" will Special Summon "Stardust Dragon". "Royal Oppression" may negate the effect of "Starlight Road" even if "Stardust Dragon" may not be Special Summoned, such as if "Vanity's Fiend" is on the field or if there is no "Stardust Dragon" in the Extra Deck.[12']

 

If that ruling is correct. Worst. Ruling. EVER.

 

I'm gonna pretend I'm a psychic here. Royal Oppression limited next list.

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Royal Oppression's only problem is that it can be run in a deck that can focus on special summoning.

 

as for starlight road, I think it's in the grey area here, but IMO oppression shouldn't stop it because you can special summon him after the negation resolves. I'm also surprised starlight road isn't a counter trap.

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Read the rulings on Magical Dimension and the fact that it can't be negated by Stardust because it's optional. Then read that ruling again. It's bullcrap.

 

I'll post my interpretation that I put in the Q&A section here' date=' maybe it'll make some sense (i'm just trying to make some sense as to how that ruling came to be that might make sense).

 

[i']You should understand why Stardust Dragon cannot negate Magical Dimension, as the timing isn't right for Stardust to activate. (It can only chain to the activation of a card that destroys a card on the field, which in the case of Magical Dimension is optional, so you don't know if it actually does destroy or not).

 

For Royal Oppression, it can negate a Special Summon, as well as an effect that Special Summons monsters... an effect that Special Summons monsters. Whether it special summons or not is irrelevant to Royal Oppression, only the fact that it can.

 

When you activate "Starlight Road" you agree to activating BOTH effects of the card. How so? You will always be asked the question "Do you want to Special Summon Stardust Dragon?". This cannot be bypassed by any means. If you activate the card, you agree to having the option to Special Summon, meaning an effect will activate during this card's resolution that "special summons a monster" despite whether or not you choose to, or whether or not you even can.[/i]

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Read the rulings on Magical Dimension and the fact that it can't be negated by Stardust because it's optional. Then read that ruling again. It's bullcrap.

 

I'll post my interpretation that I put in the Q&A section here' date=' maybe it'll make some sense (i'm just trying to make some sense as to how that ruling came to be that might make sense).

 

[i']You should understand why Stardust Dragon cannot negate Magical Dimension, as the timing isn't right for Stardust to activate. (It can only chain to the activation of a card that destroys a card on the field, which in the case of Magical Dimension is optional, so you don't know if it actually does destroy or not).

 

For Royal Oppression, it can negate a Special Summon, as well as an effect that Special Summons monsters... an effect that Special Summons monsters. Whether it special summons or not is irrelevant to Royal Oppression, only the fact that it can.

 

When you activate "Starlight Road" you agree to activating BOTH effects of the card. How so? You will always be asked the question "Do you want to Special Summon Stardust Dragon?". This cannot be bypassed by any means. If you activate the card, you agree to having the option to Special Summon, meaning an effect will activate during this card's resolution that "special summons a monster" despite whether or not you choose to, or whether or not you even can.[/i]

 

but the effects don't activate sitmulationously right?

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It's still bullcrap. I could understand if you declared to special summon Stardust at resolution that Oppression negates it' date=' but the fact that it stops it even [i']if[/i] you aren't going to special summon is utter crap.

 

Not at all, as I explained, whether are card Special Summons or not is irrelevant to Royal Oppression; only the fact that it has an effect that does, which Starlight Road does.

 

but the effects don't activate sitmulationously right?

 

Correct, but that's not the issue. Royal Oppression only cares that a card's effect includes an effect that Special Summons. When activating Starlight Road, you agree to all its effects occurring and there are two:

 

1) Negating a card

2) The option to Special Summon Stardust Dragon

 

As mentioned above, by activating Starlight Road, you agree to being asked "Do you want to Special Summon Stardust Dragon"? Remember when i said whether or not it special summons is irrelevant? Only the fact that it can when resolving. When resolving Starlight Road, you will always be asked to Special Summon, therefore, Starlight Road always has an effect that when resolving can special summon a monster, and therefore is valid for Royal Oppression to negate as Starlight Road's effect is an effect that special summons a monster.

 

Can you tell me Starlight Road no longer has an effect that Special Summons a monster because you chose not to do so?

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Why must Konami overpower cards? It would have been perfectly fine without Stardust being mentioned.

 

And Oppression negates this, as it negates any other effect that even has the possibility of SSing. Just another reason why it's bannable.

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It's still bullcrap. I could understand if you declared to special summon Stardust at resolution that Oppression negates it' date=' but the fact that it stops it even [i']if[/i] you aren't going to special summon is utter crap.

 

Not at all, as I explained, whether are card Special Summons or not is irrelevant to Royal Oppression; only the fact that it has an effect that does, which Starlight Road does.

 

but the effects don't activate sitmulationously right?

 

Correct' date=' but that's not the issue. Royal Oppression only cares that a card's effect includes an effect that Special Summons. When activating Starlight Road, you agree to all its effects occurring and there are two:

 

1) Negating a card

2) The option to Special Summon Stardust Dragon

 

As mentioned above, by activating Starlight Road, you agree to being asked "Do you want to Special Summon Stardust Dragon"? Remember when i said whether or not it special summons is irrelevant? Only the fact that it can when resolving. When resolving Starlight Road, you will always be asked to Special Summon, therefore, Starlight Road always has an effect that when resolving can special summon a monster, and therefore is valid for Royal Oppression to negate as Starlight Road's effect is an effect that special summons a monster.

 

Can you tell me Starlight Road no longer has an effect that Special Summons a monster because you chose not to do so?

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it looks the same as magical dimenson with it's layered effects.

can you tell me that this quickplay does have the effect to destroy a monster when I choose not to?

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it looks the same as magical dimenson with it's layered effects.

can you tell me that this quickplay does have the effect to destroy a monster when I choose not to?

 

Now you're just misinterpreting Stardust Dragon's effect and confusing it with Royal Oppression. The wording is different.

 

Now if Stardust Dragon said...

 

"You can Tribute this card to negate the activation of a Spell Card' date=' Trap Card, or Effect Monster's effect that [b']has an effect that[/b] destroys a card(s) on the field, and destroy that card."

 

...then it would have similar messed up rulings that Royal Oppression has. See the difference? You'd be able to chain Stardust Dragon to Magical Dimension if it was worded this way.

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Why must Konami overpower cards? It would have been perfectly fine without Stardust being mentioned.

Why can't Stardust be the over powered one?

If it could negate uncertain effects like snipe hunter and such' date=' bounce effects like penguin soldier, raiza, or compulsory, or removed from play like dimensional prison, then it would be over-powered.

No wait... that's what we have the unused:

[img']http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/f/fd/StardustDragonAssaultModeDP09-EN-SR-1E.jpg[/img]

for...

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Wizarus

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Why must Konami overpower cards? It would have been perfectly fine without Stardust being mentioned.

Why can't Stardust be the over powered one?

 

It is. Starlight Road already does it's job well. There was no need to add a claus which allows you to SS a 2500 ATK beatstick that can sacrifice itself to negate ANOTHER destruction effect.

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Why must Konami overpower cards? It would have been perfectly fine without Stardust being mentioned.

Why can't Stardust be the over powered one?

If it could negate uncertain effects like snipe hunter and such' date=' bounce effects like penguin soldier, raiza, or compulsory, or removed from play like dimensional prison, then it would be over-powered.

No wait... that's what we have the unused:

[img']http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/f/fd/StardustDragonAssaultModeDP09-EN-SR-1E.jpg[/img]

for...

It still negates all forms of destruction allowing for the user to overextend. That is bad for the game and something should be done about it.

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Why must Konami overpower cards? It would have been perfectly fine without Stardust being mentioned.

Why can't Stardust be the over powered one?

If it could negate uncertain effects like snipe hunter and such' date=' bounce effects like penguin soldier, raiza, or compulsory, or removed from play like dimensional prison, then it would be over-powered.

No wait... that's what we have the unused:

[img']http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/f/fd/StardustDragonAssaultModeDP09-EN-SR-1E.jpg[/img]

for...

It still negates all forms of destruction allowing for the user to overextend. That is bad for the game and something should be done about it.

And that is what we have anti-synchro cards for

lolwiki says so :3

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