Since it took me 6 months to get 2,000 posts....

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I decided to make #2000 Epic.

 

In this thread, a discussion of politics shall occur. All are invited and encouraged to join.

 

This discussion will discuss all forms, tactics, functions, and groups of people in these politics.

 

It will be a formal discussion, and not as much of a debate as I am used to, so it will be fun for all of us, though we will still debate.

 

Things we will (I wish to) discuss.

 

Political types: (some will be tied together)

Socialism

Capitialism

Communism

Fascism

Republic

Democracy

totalitarianism/Dictatorship

Monarchy, and the kingdom of Raiza. :P

Theocracy

"The Parliament" system (since we have plenty of British people on YCM)

 

I can speak of the history and philosophies behind each, and we can discuss how effective they are for:

 

The people

How it affected their culture

The Tactics they (the government's) needed to/did use

how effectively it functioned (by factors such as crime rate, laws in place, police brutality for the criminal apsect, and educational success, ecomonic success, general health for the other aspects.

 

Feel free to suggest a topic if you wish to.

 

 

TO START: I will start controversial.

 

Topic: Fascism/Nazism

 

First used by: Ben Mussolini

Notable Usage by: Adolf Hitler

Founding Philosopher: Georg Hegel

 

Fascism promotes the idea of natural unity through the aspects of Nationalism. Nationalism can be described as Patriotism. Promoting the countries army, its state, who it is better than (by discrimination of different ethnicities, colors, or really anything that makes one different from the masses) It promotes the Government as the "authority" and the citizens are to be what the government wants them to.

 

The cultures it can create are very narrow minded. Fascists see themselves as the "best", as the "Elite", and that difference is a flaw that deviates from their own perfection.

 

The effectiveness of Fascism (using Hitler's Germany as an example) was amazing. The militarism showed no flaws with whom and how Hitler carried his army. The people were educated to be narrow minded fascists, exactly what the "Authority" wanted them to be. The economic success created from this tight control cannot be denied, go look it up if you wish.

 

The tactics of Fascism (Hitler as an example) can be split into two categories.

 

War Tactics: These were absolutely Genius. He nearly took over the world with his military actions.

 

"Perfect Society" Tactics: The tactics used to elimate those who he deemed unworthy by color or creed. Genocide, though powerful and effective in promoting his needs, causes an intense controversy in what a government should be allowed to do, even one with that much power. To most, it is unethical to do what the Nazi's Did to the "Others". Those who were different (Jews for the most part) were burned alive, forced to work and assist the Army that looked to eliminate them from the earth, tortured and raped the prisoners[hearsay from Jews, Needs a source] among other questionable tactics.

 

Discuss.

[Frunk]

Chose "YAY!", I am thinking of getting into politics one day...

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Chose "YAY!"' date=' I am thinking of getting into politics one day...

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Where the power is. It is the essential of modern society.

 

But I shall wait for others who are willing to discuss Fascism. I stated it was a discussion, so Im not trying to prove anyone wrong, and perhaps then they will talk with me. :)

[Frunk]

Chose "YAY!"' date=' I am thinking of getting into politics one day...

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Where the power is. It is the essential of modern society.

 

But I shall wait for others who are willing to discuss Fascism. I stated it was a discussion, so Im not trying to prove anyone wrong, and perhaps then they will talk with me. :)

 

Yeah, being proved wrong is a turn off...

[cyberdude]

Capitolism

Definition: More money for me screw you

used in a lot of countrys around the world but primarilly the usa

Capitolism isnt exactly a goverment type its an ecomemy type that values getting rich and screwing your fellow man it is a ecomeny type where the goverment has no control buesssies are private and everyone is only looking out for there own self intrests more then the needs of the other people capitolism is the exact oppisite of commuism in this respect.

You will find that thoughout history plenty of problems have existed in this system of goverment 1. poverty

2. slavery

3. creation of the class system

capitolism is a bad system period

[Shaco]

Yeah, I suppose if they already think they're the best, there's no reason form them to try to improve themselves, or have any reason to look beyond what they're being told, or told to do. Since they're being assured that they're super special awesome.

 

Why exactly did Hitler think that those with Nordic blood were so much better than everyone else. Was he just using that idea to manipulate the people, or did he actually believe in it?

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Yeah' date=' I suppose if they already think they're the best, there's no reason form them to try to improve themselves, or have any reason to look beyond what they're being told, or told to do. Since they're being assured that they're super special awesome.

 

Why exactly did Hitler think that those with Nordic blood were so much better than everyone else. Was he just using that idea to manipulate the people, or did he actually believe in it?

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To know another mans thought as fact is impossible. But it is most likely that he truly believed it. Despite being the head of the media and Government, he still had the Elitist mindset that his speeches promoted in the people, thus it can be assumed that he did think that the "Aryan" race (which he was not even 100% of) was the greatest race, the "Deserving race."

 

Cyberdude: Read the whole thing, we are talking about FASCISM as of now.

[Bloodrun]

ugh gosh

being both jewish and having german decent

it is rather hard for me to grasp the concept that we (jewish) were "prosecuted" with such authority over reasons un particularilly called as greedy. I am not one for the fact that jewish were punished for the rise of a great communist country, as we were not the only people to be "prosecuted" amung us were gypsies, greeks, and whites and then there is the ever popular description of blue eyes and blonde hair, put into the pot by Hilter followers, trying to stir racists congregations to act on their emotions rather then there beliefs.

which brings me to this:

 

In 1933, persecution of the Jews became active Nazi policy, but at first laws were not as rigorously obeyed and were not as devastating as in later years.

Jewish doctors, shops, lawyers and stores were boycotted. Only six days later, the Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service was passed, banning Jews from being employed in government. This laws meant that Jews were now indirectly and directly dissuaded or banned from privileged and upper-level positions reserved for “Aryan” Germans. From then on, Jews were forced to work at more menial positions, beneath non-Jews.

President Paul von Hindenburg died. No new president was appointed; instead the powers of the chancellor and president were combined into the office of Fuhrer. This, and a tame government with no opposition parties, allowed Adolf Hitler totalitarian control of law making. The army also swore an oath of loyalty personally to Hitler, giving him power over the military and allowing him to easily create more pressure on the Jews than ever before.

, persecution of the Jews increased apace. , Jews were forbidden to join the Wehrmacht (Armed Forces), and that year, anti-Jewish propaganda appeared in Nazi German shops and restaurants. The Nuremberg Racial Purity Laws were passed around the time of the great Nazi rallies at Nuremberg, the Law for the Protection of German Blood and Honour was passed, preventing marriage between any Jew and non-Jew. At the same time the Reich Citizenship Law was passed and was reinforced in November by a decree, stating that all Jews, even quarter- and half-Jews, were no longer citizens of their own country (their official status became Reichsangehoriger, “subject of the state”). This meant that they had no basic civil rights, such as that to vote. (But at this time the right to vote for the non-Jewish Germans only meant the obligation to vote for the Nazi party.) This removal of basic citizens’ rights preceded harsher laws to be passed in the future against Jews. The drafting of the Nuremberg Laws is often attributed to Hans Globke.

, Jews were banned from all professional jobs, effectively preventing them from exerting any influence in education, politics, higher education and industry. Because of this, there was nothing to stop the anti-Jewish actions that spread across the Nazi-German economy.

after the Night of the Long Knives, the Schutzstaffel became the dominant policing power in Germany. Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich Himmler was eager to please Hitler and so willingly obeyed his orders. Since the SS had been Hitler’s personal bodyguard, its members were far more loyal and professional than those of the Sturmateilung had been. Because of this, they were also supported by the army, which was now more willing to agree with Hitler’s decisions than when the SA was dominant.[citation needed]

all of this allowed Hitler more direct control over government and political attitude towards Jews in Nazi Germany. In 1937 and 1938, harsh new laws were implemented, and the segregation of Jews from the true “Aryan” German population was started. In particular, Jews were penalized financially for their perceived racial status.

a young Jewish German, Helmut Hersch, was executed for being involved in a plot to kill the Nazi leadership—including Hitler.

, government contracts could no longer be awarded to Jewish businesses., “Aryan” doctors could only treat “Aryan” patients. Provision of medical care to Jews was already hampered by the fact that Jews were banned from being doctors or having any professional jobs.

Jews had to add Israel (males) or Sarah (females) to their names, and a large J was to be imprinted on their passports. Jewish children were banned from going to normal schools., nearly all Jewish companies had either collapsed under financial pressure and declining profits, or had been persuaded to sell out to the Nazi German government. This further reduced Jews’ rights as human beings; they were in many ways officially separated from the German populace.

 

The increasingly totalitarian, militaristic regime that was being imposed on Germany by Hitler allowed him to control the actions of the SS and the military, a young Polish Jew, Herschel Grynszpan, attacked and shot two German officials in the Nazi German embassy in Paris. (Grynszpan was angry about the treatment of his parents by the Nazi Germans). On 9 November the German Attache, vom Rath, died. Goebbels issued instructions that demonstrations against Jews be organized and undertaken in retaliation throughout Germany. The SS ordered the Night of Broken Glass (some K word) to be carried out that night. The storefronts of Jewish shops and offices were smashed and vandalised, and many synagogues were destroyed by fire. Approximately 100 Jews were killed, and another 20,000 arrested, some of whom were sent to the newly formed concentration camps. Many Germans were disgusted by this action when the full extent of the damage was discovered, so Hitler ordered it to be blamed on the Jews. Collectively, the Jews were made to pay back one billion Reichsmark in damages, the fine being raised by confiscating 20% of every Jewish property. The Jews also had to repair all damages at their own cost.

[Static]

ugh gosh

being both jewish and having german decent

it is rather hard for me to grasp the concept that we (jewish) were "prosecuted" with such authority over reasons un particularilly called as greedy. I am not one for the fact that jewish were punished for the rise of a great communist country' date=' as we were not the only people to be "prosecuted" amung us were gypsies, greeks, and whites and then there is the ever popular description of blue eyes and blonde hair, put into the pot by Hilter followers, trying to stir racists congregations to act on their emotions rather then there beliefs.

which brings me to this:

 

*long paragraphs that I did read*

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Fascism is not communism. COmmunism promotes equality for all. In fascism, there is still a ruling class, the government still dictates what is just and unjust to the citizens, who willingly heed to their oppressors.

[Bloodrun]

ugh gosh

being both jewish and having german decent

it is rather hard for me to grasp the concept that we (jewish) were "prosecuted" with such authority over reasons un particularilly called as greedy. I am not one for the fact that jewish were punished for the rise of a great communist country' date=' as we were not the only people to be "prosecuted" amung us were gypsies, greeks, and whites and then there is the ever popular description of blue eyes and blonde hair, put into the pot by Hilter followers, trying to stir racists congregations to act on their emotions rather then there beliefs.

which brings me to this:

 

*long paragraphs that I did read*

[/quote']

 

Fascism is not communism. COmmunism promotes equality for all. In fascism, there is still a ruling class, the government still dictates what is just and unjust to the citizens, who willingly heed to their oppressors.

 

i realize this

but you cannot associate jews and nazi's together with facism

its just not possible =/

[Static]

ugh gosh

being both jewish and having german decent

it is rather hard for me to grasp the concept that we (jewish) were "prosecuted" with such authority over reasons un particularilly called as greedy. I am not one for the fact that jewish were punished for the rise of a great communist country' date=' as we were not the only people to be "prosecuted" amung us were gypsies, greeks, and whites and then there is the ever popular description of blue eyes and blonde hair, put into the pot by Hilter followers, trying to stir racists congregations to act on their emotions rather then there beliefs.

which brings me to this:

 

*long paragraphs that I did read*

[/quote']

 

Fascism is not communism. COmmunism promotes equality for all. In fascism, there is still a ruling class, the government still dictates what is just and unjust to the citizens, who willingly heed to their oppressors.

 

i realize this

but you cannot associate jews and nazi's together with facism

its just not possible =/

 

I did not. I wrote it with the idea of not being another Pro "remember the holocaust" person, as people who make a big deal of death really bother me. I may have missed how I am associating jews and Nazis together with fascism, I just talked about the two of them from a moraless, objective standpoint.

[Bloodrun]

ugh gosh

being both jewish and having german decent

it is rather hard for me to grasp the concept that we (jewish) were "prosecuted" with such authority over reasons un particularilly called as greedy. I am not one for the fact that jewish were punished for the rise of a great communist country' date=' as we were not the only people to be "prosecuted" amung us were gypsies, greeks, and whites and then there is the ever popular description of blue eyes and blonde hair, put into the pot by Hilter followers, trying to stir racists congregations to act on their emotions rather then there beliefs.

which brings me to this:

 

*long paragraphs that I did read*

[/quote']

 

Fascism is not communism. COmmunism promotes equality for all. In fascism, there is still a ruling class, the government still dictates what is just and unjust to the citizens, who willingly heed to their oppressors.

 

i realize this

but you cannot associate jews and nazi's together with facism

its just not possible =/

 

I did not. I wrote it with the idea of not being another Pro "remember the holocaust" person, as people who make a big deal of death really bother me. I may have missed how I am associating jews and Nazis together with fascism, I just talked about the two of them from a moraless, objective standpoint.

 

yes but you see, you cant put the two of them together, because for one, they are both from different parts of ruling stand points, and they do not come from the same religious beliefs

and believe it or not, government, is controlled tremendasly by religion =/

[Static]

ugh gosh

being both jewish and having german decent

it is rather hard for me to grasp the concept that we (jewish) were "prosecuted" with such authority over reasons un particularilly called as greedy. I am not one for the fact that jewish were punished for the rise of a great communist country' date=' as we were not the only people to be "prosecuted" amung us were gypsies, greeks, and whites and then there is the ever popular description of blue eyes and blonde hair, put into the pot by Hilter followers, trying to stir racists congregations to act on their emotions rather then there beliefs.

which brings me to this:

 

*long paragraphs that I did read*

[/quote']

 

Fascism is not communism. COmmunism promotes equality for all. In fascism, there is still a ruling class, the government still dictates what is just and unjust to the citizens, who willingly heed to their oppressors.

 

i realize this

but you cannot associate jews and nazi's together with facism

its just not possible =/

 

I did not. I wrote it with the idea of not being another Pro "remember the holocaust" person, as people who make a big deal of death really bother me. I may have missed how I am associating jews and Nazis together with fascism, I just talked about the two of them from a moraless, objective standpoint.

 

yes but you see, you cant put the two of them together, because for one, they are both from different parts of ruling stand points, and they do not come from the same religious beliefs

and believe it or not, government, is controlled tremendasly by religion =/

 

All people are the same, regardless of creed, color or culture. These things do not matter, they just seperate us further. I can talk about the Germans and jews as members of the Third Reich, because they LIVED in Nazi Germany, and were thus affected directly by the Reign of Hitler.

 

No No No. Government controls religion, not the other way around. Religion is the governments tool of manipulation, and if the leaders believe it, then it's influence have an even greater affect on the people.

[Bloodrun]

ugh gosh

being both jewish and having german decent

it is rather hard for me to grasp the concept that we (jewish) were "prosecuted" with such authority over reasons un particularilly called as greedy. I am not one for the fact that jewish were punished for the rise of a great communist country' date=' as we were not the only people to be "prosecuted" amung us were gypsies, greeks, and whites and then there is the ever popular description of blue eyes and blonde hair, put into the pot by Hilter followers, trying to stir racists congregations to act on their emotions rather then there beliefs.

which brings me to this:

 

*long paragraphs that I did read*

[/quote']

 

Fascism is not communism. COmmunism promotes equality for all. In fascism, there is still a ruling class, the government still dictates what is just and unjust to the citizens, who willingly heed to their oppressors.

 

i realize this

but you cannot associate jews and nazi's together with facism

its just not possible =/

 

I did not. I wrote it with the idea of not being another Pro "remember the holocaust" person, as people who make a big deal of death really bother me. I may have missed how I am associating jews and Nazis together with fascism, I just talked about the two of them from a moraless, objective standpoint.

 

yes but you see, you cant put the two of them together, because for one, they are both from different parts of ruling stand points, and they do not come from the same religious beliefs

and believe it or not, government, is controlled tremendasly by religion =/

 

All people are the same, regardless of creed, color or culture. These things do not matter, they just seperate us further. I can talk about the Germans and jews as members of the Third Reich, because they LIVED in Nazi Germany, and were thus affected directly by the Reign of Hitler.

 

No No No. Government controls religion, not the other way around. Religion is the governments tool of manipulation, and if the leaders believe it, then it's influence have an even greater affect on the people.

 

either way

religion has no effect on me, except self pitty

and NAZI government has no effect on me except loathing and hatred

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[HORUS]

Fascism is effective.

[Azuh]

Fascism is effective.

 

short and simple...

 

plus it took me six months to get 1000 posts...

 

and so now...

 

Hail your new Leader... Azuh!!!!!!!! For serious ownage

 

anyways... back on topic

[Frunk]

It took me 10 days to get to 1000.

 

Back on topic now, now. 8)

[Bloodrun]

It took me 10 days to get to 1000.

 

Back on topic now' date=' now. 8)

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it took me 7 days to get to 1000

now back on topic

and static can we plz change the subject?!