Win Conditions

[Psycho Shocker Android]

A concept YCM cannot grasp. It seems every win condition this game has should be banned according to YCM's standard.

 

Here's a card from MTG:

 

 

Basically in yugioh this card would make you draw 3 cards return a monster from your grave gain 1000lp while hitting your opponent for 1000, killing 1 of their monster and making them discard 3 cards.

 

But, of course it can only be played turn 7 if you have no acceleration in MTG so in yugioh it would have a huge cost.

 

The thing is, no matter what cost konami prints on a card that OTKs or wins the game, people here will complain it wrecks the game and should be banned because it's too powerful.

 

Examples: Norleras, arcana force EX - the dark ruler, Dark Armed Dragon, Exodia the forbidden one, chimeratech overdragon, return from the different dimension, etc.

 

This game is faster than MTG so it's normal that the kills hit the field earlier. So I'm asking you, what do you think a card that wins game should look like for YGO.

[.dek]

It should have a picture of an object and then what an animated Transformer made from the object on top of eachother for art.

[Fraz]

I think people get upset with win conditions because they can happen before you get to do anything. The game accelerated too quickly from one for one destruction slowly emerging a clear winner to a game with one for many destruction and a win condition topdecked with little setup required and people don't like it.

 

This frustration isn't something exclusive to yugioh. I've played a fair few games of Magic where I have board presence and more cards combined than my opponent but he topdecks some burn card that wins him the game and I'm usually quite pissed off about this. Mostly because I'm not used to the cards available to Magic and make misplays; had I known earlier that specific burn card was a threat I would have played differently to make sure I wouldn't lose to it. Same goes for yugioh, if you know Judgment Dragon is a possible threat then you don't overextend until it becomes profitable to you.

[Canadian]

Lol, I wouldn't run it. 7 Turns to use it?

 

Sliver Swarm is much better. Or Forest-Mountain Beatdown. They are both much faster which, in yugioh, seems to be what makes the tiers these days...

[.dek]

Once again, Morphs.

[burnpsy]

Lol' date=' I wouldn't run it. 7 Turns to use it?

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Mana accel. I've made a deck that uses that in 3 turns.

 

BTW, to the OP, 5 life is 1/4 of the starting, so it would be 2000 LP.

[Canadian]

Lol, Ironically, it costs 7, but it is a +7 (excluding 10 life difference).

[.dek]

It should have a picture of an object and then what an animated Transformer made from the object on top of eachother for art.

[Dr. Cakey]

Examples: Norleras, arcana force EX - the dark ruler, Dark Armed Dragon, Exodia the forbidden one, chimeratech overdragon, return from the different dimension, etc.

 

Norleras - not OP'd.

Dark Ruler - not OP'd.

DAD - Demands careful consideration.

Exodia - not OP'd.

Chimeratech - only with Future / Overload

RftDD - Effective. Never seen it used OTK'ishly.

 

I guess the closest thing to this card is Paths of Destiny, with its best case scenario being +2000/-2000. The problem is the fusion of easy use (especially splashable use) and epic win power.

[Manjoume Thunder]

DAD - Demands careful consideration.

Chimeratech - only with Future / Overload

RftDD - Effective. Never seen it used OTK'ishly.

 

I lol'd.

[RyanAtlus]

Normally, it takes me 20 turns to make my opponents go FFFUUU-

[GraveHorizon]

Are you talking about Win cards like Exodia/Final Countdown/Vennominaga, or just really powerful cards/card combos that equal a win when successfully executed? The former are kind of rare, while the latter seem unfair (I made a rhyme!) a lot of the time.

 

...That was unintentional, but I had to finish it once it was started.

 

Anyways, who can really complain about Exodia? That's been around since the beginning and is easily stopped. The Win cards may be powerful, but plenty of strategies can take them out. Last Turn is banned, and the rest aren't so bad. Except maybe Final Countdown. That one's a jabroni. But I guess there's always Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell. People still use that, right?

 

On the subject of super powerful combos, are there any that should be banned but aren't?

[RyanAtlus]

But I guess there's always Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell. People still use that' date=' right?

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If people keep saying sheet like that, they'll kinda force me to start rapping. You guys won't like me when I start rapping, cause I'd be shizzlin da fizzle of ya nizzle in da drizzle, gazizzle dawg.

 

OT: I think it's funny no one seems to remember Exodius is also a win condition. And I think we should start discussing Match Winners too.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Norleras - not OP'd.

DAD - Demands careful consideration.

Exodia - not OP'd.

Chimeratech - only with Future / Overload

RftDD - Effective. Never seen it used OTK'ishly.

 

Yous trollin'.

[CrabHelmet]

I can't think of any Yu-Gi-Oh! win condition cards that anyone actually cares about whose activation conditions are anywhere close to as hard as seven mana in specific colors. The cards that actually are that difficult, like Vennominaga, get ignored, and we have no problem with their existence in the game; cards like Dark Armed Dragon aren't nearly so hard to use and cause major problems by enabling free instant wins for no effort, so of course we have a problem with them.

[GraveHorizon]

OT: I think it's funny no one seems to remember Exodius is also a win condition. And I think we should start discussing Match Winners too.

 

Aren't those illegal? If they were tournament legal... I've never been to a tournament. What would happen? Would people start freaking out? Wait, do they play Matches in tournaments?

[ihop]

Normally' date=' it takes me 20 turns to make my opponents go FFFUUU-

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I wonder why.

[RyanAtlus]

Normally' date=' it takes me 20 turns to make my opponents go FFFUUU-

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I wonder why.

 

Because today's meta made it so that Duelists have gotten used to the fact that they can normally go take a pee after every 5 turns, which is the average length of a Duel.

When facing me, they aren't able to keep their pants dry.

 

?Ves que he hacido?

[Great Unclean One: VK]

Examples: Norleras' date=' arcana force EX - the dark ruler, Dark Armed Dragon, Exodia the forbidden one, chimeratech overdragon, return from the different dimension, etc.[/quote']

 

Norleras - not OP'd. True.

Dark Ruler - not OP'd. Also True.

DAD - Demands careful consideration. Lolz. Look at his support.

Exodia - not OP'd. Unless Lolnami does something stupid.

Chimeratech - only with Future / Overload Lolz, you've haven't seen me play then.

RftDD - Effective. Never seen it used OTK'ishly Look to DAD and tell me that same thing again. I dare you. Not only to DAD but also to my old RFP deck. .

 

I guess the closest thing to this card is Paths of Destiny, with its best case scenario being +2000/-2000. The problem is the fusion of easy use (especially splashable use) and epic win power.

[Akira]

Decks should have win conditions like Super Vehicroid Stealth Union and such, at least that way you can clobber your opponent with giant robots for game.

[Chaos Flame]

Normally' date=' it takes me 20 turns to make my opponents go FFFUUU-

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I wonder why.

 

Because today's meta made it so that Duelists have gotten used to the fact that they can normally go take a pee after every 5 turns, which is the average length of a Duel.

When facing me, they aren't able to keep their pants dry.

 

?Ves que he hacido?

 

Sí, hablas español.

OT. Battle fader is the answer...

[Psycho Shocker Android]

You have to understand win conditions actually have to be good enough for them to be able to win on their own. Exodius just plain sucks. The only good examples I got were Vennominaga and stealth union. I could have chosen some win conditions from MTG that comes out way earlier in the game but I wanted something epic. The speed of a win condition doesn't have to be incredibly slow.

[Akira]

Gaia Plate the Earth Giant is another example of a decent, type-specific win condition.