Serious CC Problem [Active CC Users Only] Read Post #1, #41

[Guest JoshIcy]

Please note that unless you are an active CC user (and yes I do pay attention), I would ask that you not post here and that any concerns you may or may not have be sent to me via

PM.

Please note that unless you are an active CC user (and yes I do pay attention), I would ask that you not post here and that any concerns you may or may not have be sent to me via PM.

 

So recently we've had about 3 threads that I've had to do nearly full thread bans in. And the behavior in these threads is simply unacceptable on the Custom Cards Forum of YCM. As a result, I have had to tighten up the rules A LOT (if you've noticed, I've even gone so far as to ban people for excessive minimodding without reporting).

 

2 of the 3 threads I have noticed are within Pop Culture Cards:

- http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/thread-211491.html

- http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/thread-209699.html

 

The Minimodding Issue is all across the board, posting without constructive feedback etc etc etc. I consider posting "6/10 Good Cards" not spam due to the fact that it's a simple motivator. But if you say like, "6/10 bad card grammar" they wonder why, and that results in lack of constructive feedback.

 

Realistic Card Rules and Universal Forum Rules.

 

So I ask of you all, that because I do not feel like declaring "Martial Law" on CC to fix these problems and that Warning DOES NOT work. What would you propose fix it?

[Guest Cursed Reaction]

I've noticed it more in Pop Culture than Realistic and Any Other Cards doesn't seem to have these sort of violent replies. If you're new to CC, I would suggest posting in Any Other Cards for non-Pop Culture cards, although I'm not too sure about what to do in Pop Culture though.

 

I think it's just attitude problems, many newer people have this sort of Dutch courage with them and don't really appreciate any other comments but more advanced members do seem to take out some anger on newer members. Rules aren't required but I'd suggest maybe having to look through the rules (without option) before you post your first few threads in CC.

[Guest JoshIcy]

I think it's just attitude problems' date=' many newer people have this sort of Dutch courage with them and don't really appreciate any other comments but more advanced members do seem to take out some anger on newer members. Rules aren't required but I'd suggest maybe having to look through the rules (without option) before you post your first few threads in CC.

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Except in the case of the Megaman thread, all harassment has been instigated by the members not the Topic Poster. Thus, the problem here solely lies in the normal Members and not newbies.

 

And of course Rules arent required, this is OBVIOUSLY a forum aimed at children, kinder replies are expected and implied.

[Guest Cursed Reaction]

That's true. But options are limited as despite the risk of being banned etc. not many more advanced members try to be 'nice' or constructive.

[Yang Xiao-Long]

I'd have to agree with Cursed Reaction here.

When I switched from Realistic to Pop Culture, I've noticed some newer members posting cards that really should belong in AoC.

 

As for that one..incident...which I shall never name again, that was mainly due to the person's inability to accept criticism, which resulted in that flame war we know so much about. As for the Megaman thread, the thread starter kept edging the others on. People kept commenting negatively due to him not wanting to edit his cards for balance. If he would've accepted it and editted his cards when need-be that thread might've ended up better.

 

In those cases it's just newer members being stubborn.

 

But yeah, Cursed Reaction is right, we need newer members to look through the rules (when they join would be nice).

Since the Pop Culture forum is one of the first forums newer members see and one they can most clearly understand when it comes to just "cards of your favorite TV/movie characters", they either don't know much or care about the guidelines and methods of effect balancing that older members know so well, resulting in mostly OPed cards, low rates, and the eventual start to a flame war.

If you notice, Realistic Cards says that you "post cards which are realistic and balanced". Pop Culture just mentions "cards based off movie/TV characters, etc." We need newer members to know that Pop Culture cards should be "balanced cards based off movie/TV characters", since they assume that they can make OPed cards on their favorite show. If they know beforehand that their cards need to be balanced, maybe then the flame wars will go down.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Check your tone SJ1, the newer members didn't take kindly to the "criticism". So that was your Que to to tone down your criticism and start explaining it in a kind manner.

[Guest Cursed Reaction]

It's our responsibility to accept new members as well as new members to learn. In fact, it's probably more us than them.

[HitoKage]

This was probably said before, maybe PM the rules to all members when they sign up, that could help. But as for the behavior of older members, not so sure.

[Guest JoshIcy]

But as for the behavior of older members' date=' not so sure.

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This is my concern. I already know what to do with newbies.

[HitoKage]

Oh. Well, one thing is, this is kinda extreme/ probably not possible, add to each thread a ban list, where anyone who is on it can't post, as if there were logged off.

 

Though adding that to threads would be a hassle for YCmaker.

 

Just an idea.

[ΕεΔδΛλΙιΡρΣσςΕε]

And Martial Law is wrong here why?

 

I SJ1 does have a good point, however.

It isn't in every case that the members are going to a thread simply to insult, but if member's aren't willing to take criticism, many users will further talk about them, frequently in a negative manner. If people are offering a hand and you refuse to change for the better, some feel you don't deserve constructive criticism anymore.

 

As for threads in which the started began harassment, I don't know if there's much that could be done. I mean, the last resort would be doing like DC does with some of their boards in which a topic has to be approved by a moderator before coming visible. With YCM's large member count, though, I doubt it would work, or it would make new members leave because they wouldn't have the patience to wait so long only for their thread to be denied.

[Limited Edition KING]

Just an idea but couldn't we make a rule that states all member inputs must have at least 2 or more lines about the card? I say this because alot of rates I see in threads are just short posts that offer a rating with one or two comments after it.

 

This would cut out a lot of +1 posts and would create more helpful feedback towards the card maker and show that the poster put about as much effort into the post as you did into making the card.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Matrix, I said I already know what to do with the newbies. Hush up about the rule thing. And if you read at ALL in my post you'd see why I allow simple posts etc. So please learn to read.

 

@Dude with the Funny Name: Since when is criticism = Insults? And why would ANYONE take that?

[Limited Edition KING]

I realise that posts that have something good about the card is fine even if they are short posts but some people might not have even seen the card and just posted "6/10 nice card" because it is a quick and easy +1 post where you won't get into too much hate. How is that helpful towards the card maker? The rater hasn't shown anything negative about the card when infact the card could be lacking in some areas that would otherwise make it a truely remarkable card.

 

To be honest I think posts that say "6/10 bad grammar" would actually be more helpful than posts like "6/10 good card(s)" because at least you can tell that the rater has actually read your card. Sure members might take it as a negative but it helps the maker try to learn better grammar I know I went through that I used to get rates that said "bad grammar" so I went out and actually tried to perfect my grammar skills they arent 100% spot on at the moment but its fairly decent.

 

I understand such posts like "6/10 good card" is a nice motivator but I honestly think it just helps boost the ego of the card maker and therefore when someone posts something like 2/10 the card maker doesn't handle it too well and just lashes out at that. When the user who posted 2/10 could actually know what they are talking about.

[Guest JoshIcy]

6/10 implies that the card isn't perfect so they should improve where THEY SEE FIT, NOT WHERE YOU TELL THEM. Good Card tells you that they should keep going.

 

Just telling them "Bad Card Grammar 6/10" is not helpful because you're telling them they're doing wrong when they don't know why. And if you do, it adds unnatural pressure on the cardmaker. Hardly beneficial yea?

 

Now, remember and I really hate repeating myself. How would you fix the issue with non-Newbies?

[Limited Edition KING]

Maybe make a standard rating system that all members should follow? Because I can't see how just saying Bad Card Grammar would be rated as high as 6/10 when it should be lower. Like the user just states Card Grammar when they don't mention other things such as Image, Flow, Creativeness etc.

 

Yes that is confusing if a member only rates on card grammar and they say it's bad it should be bellow 5/10 like a 3/10 or 2/10.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Maybe make a standard rating system that all members should follow? Because I can't see how just saying Bad Card Grammar would be rated as high as 6/10 when it should be lower. Like the user just states Card Grammar when they don't mention other things such as Image' date=' Flow, Creativeness etc.

 

Yes that is confusing if a member only rates on card grammar and they say it's bad it should be bellow 5/10 like a 3/10 or 2/10.

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Pardon me, but I don't understand your post at all. And way to go, my term for "Card Flow" caught on. Yippie, I've added another staple to card design.

[Mehmani]

The funny thing was that that Mega-Man noob's cards weren't actually that bad. It was just that normal members jumped that the opportunity to attack someone. We should have a base reviewing system so that everyone knows what '6/10' and '2/10' mean.

[Guest JoshIcy]

6/10 can be implied as "Its ok, and I can see improvement". Due to being just above the halfway mark.

2/10 needs serious work but you did something right.

 

-_-"... And thats not even a "base scale". Its properly implied due to the OUT OF 10 thing. You even do it on IRL situations.

[RickiMinaj]

For me to suggest something, it is that a lot of these posts show tone and attitude that is very negative. Why do people get mad over a bad card on this forum. It is a learning experience. People need to be aware that new comers are NEW for a reason. And so the harsh toned critics need to stop being so hard, and some words of inspiration or kindness would not hurt either.

 

My second thing to rant is that there needs to be a word limit on posting kindness. At least 50 characters, decluding spaces. If this is set, than those pathetic "THIS CARD SUCKZ" comments will be avoided a little more.

 

My final thing is members bashing on other members for not seeing their point of view. Weather it be card creator or commenter, they both cannot bash at each other like wild animals. Some members (especially older ones) think they are always right and cannot be corrected. This is wrong, because I have seen many senior members completely wrong and unreasonable. This excess of pride should be added to the rule list as something that should not be participated here!

[seattleite]

A lot of times the newer ones can't take criticism, like in the Megaman one. But the thing is that I used to be like those people, I remember people saying my cards/decks suck and I would get so angry. Lol. Thing is I am a different case and I sticked with it but most newer members will just leave and stuff. People need to realize that everyone was a noob once and think how they would feel if someone says "Horrible, -100000000000000/10 "

 

It usually starts with 1 jerk member who picks on newbs, and other members join in. Most members are usually nice but are too afraid to stand up for the noobs, and will just follow whatever the "expert" member says, even if it's unfair.

[Guest JoshIcy]

So even more so I should get fixated on the Elder Members.

[ChaosIncarn]

As you've previously stated, you know how to handle the newer members. The only thing I can even pitch about the elder members, is the warning system or something along those lines.

 

You could PM random veteran member A, over heckling random new member B, for making a completely off scale card that would not be worthy of a rate. In this process, reminding them that they have a responsibility of giving "constructive criticism" and to exercise patience when dealing with a thread made by any new member. That of course, could (would) generate more work for yourself and other mods. For all I know you could already do this, but I wouldn't know.

 

The only other choice I would think you'd have with veteran members is to just ban them. Points and rep reductions, personally, would not effect me all that much if at all. If they enjoy being around the forum, talking on it, posting their cards, ect ect, then the warning and imminent threat of a possible banning should be enough to get them to pull their act together. If it isn't, they don't need to be here.

[Guest Cursed Reaction]

ChaosIncarn's idea's quite good. But of course it would mean much more moderating which is already hard enough.

[Wuu.]

The problem is the populace of YCM, compared to other forums this forum is complete and utter sheet.

Meh, people should put something in their sig like me, whether you need CnC, or rates.