Shradow Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 For all the Pokémon, these criteria apply:- Best Level 100 Stats- Any Moveset- No Item Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eury Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Garchomp. It's Uber for a reason yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 I was almost sure you'd forget either Metagross or Salamence, since not many people know that both are considered psuedolegends. Dragonite is automatically out, since Salamence overshadows it. I say Garchomp. He can outspeed Salamence and Dragonite and hit them with STAB CB Outrage. He can outspeed Tyranitar and Metagross and hit them with STAB CB Earthquake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted July 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 I was almost sure you'd forget either Metagross or Salamence' date=' since not many people know that both are considered psuedolegends. Dragonite is automatically out, since Salamence overshadows it. I say Garchomp. He can outspeed Salamence and Dragonite and hit them with STAB CB Outrage. He can outspeed Tyranitar and Metagross and hit them with STAB CB Earthquake.[/quote'] Hmph. Who do you take me for? What if Earthquake missed and Metagross used Magnet Rise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eury Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 I was almost sure you'd forget either Metagross or Salamence' date=' since not many people know that both are considered psuedolegends. Dragonite is automatically out, since Salamence overshadows it. I say Garchomp. He can outspeed Salamence and Dragonite and hit them with STAB CB Outrage. He can outspeed Tyranitar and Metagross and hit them with STAB CB Earthquake.[/quote'] Hmph. Who do you take me for? What if Earthquake missed and Metagross used Magnet Rise? Fire Fang. After a SD it's a 2HKO. But in the very extremely uber rare chance Metagross runs both MR and Ice Pawnch, Metagross would win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Earthquake can't miss; it has 100% accuracy and I doubt Metagross is holding Brightpowder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Womi Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Nor will you meet a pokemon using Flash at you. That's just not how com. bat. works,Garchomp beats Metagross if used correctly. No discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Standard Scarf Garchomp vs. Standard Banded Metagross, Earthquake. 70.9% - 84.1% Solid 2HKO, Metagross fails to OHKO back. Metagross never carries Magnet Rise. Ever. Standard Banded Garchomp vs. Standard Banded Metagross, Earthquake. 107.1% - 125.8% OHKO 100% of the time. So we know that Garchomp can beat Metagross and Salamence/Dragonite, but what about TTar? It needs Ice Beam to actually do anything to Garchomp. Garchomp wins every matchup except against a Tyraniboah or MixTar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 What about Scizor D: He's not a psuedo; psuedos are Pokemon that have a three-stage evolution chain and 600 BST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Womi Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Or TT using Natural Gift type Ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xazeon Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 What about Scizor D: He's not a psuedo; psuedos are Pokemon that have a three-stage evolution chain and 600 BST. I got mixed up between Uber and Legendary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eury Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Earthquake can't miss; it has 100% accuracy and I doubt Metagross is holding Brightpowder. The 100% is a lie. It's actually a 99.6% chance. .4% is still really, REALLY low, but it can still miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shradow Posted July 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 I said no items in the first post, didn't I? %100 moves can still miss, it's happened to me, without any accuracy lowering moves. My Metagross had Magnet Rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Earthquake can't miss; it has 100% accuracy and I doubt Metagross is holding Brightpowder. The 100% is a lie. It's actually a 99.6% chance. .4% is still really' date=' REALLY low, but it can still miss.[/quote'] Wasn't that only in Gen I, where the accuracy formula was flawed in-game? I'm pretty sure 100% moves from Gen II onwards retain their 100% accuracy, but please post a source if I'm incorrect. I said no items in the first post' date=' didn't I? %100 moves can still miss, it's happened to me, without any accuracy lowering moves. My Metagross had Magnet Rise.[/quote'] No items is no fair; in standard competitive play, items are used. However, non-Banded Garchomp can still outspeed and KO Mence and Dragonite, and outspeed and 2HKO Metagross and Tyranitar. Tyranitar can do nothing but Ice Beam (which it rarely uses), and even if Metagross has Magnet Rise, it can't really damage Garchomp without dying first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Garchomp is best and because of that I dislike it the most. Then it's Salamence > Tyrannitar > Metagross > Dragonite imo. But then again, they can all do stuff none of the others can. tbh it's more of a tie than anything else; they have their niches which they're great at, which makes them hard to compare. Anyway, yeah, Garchomp has the power, speed and bulk to dick them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Womi Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 I said no items in the first post' date=' didn't I? %100 moves can still miss, it's happened to me, without any accuracy lowering moves. My Metagross had Magnet Rise.[/quote'] No items is no fair; in standard competitive play, items are used. However, non-Banded Garchomp can still outspeed and KO Mence and Dragonite, and outspeed and 2HKO Metagross and Tyranitar. Tyranitar can do nothing but Ice Beam (which it rarely uses), and even if Metagross has Magnet Rise, it can't really damage Garchomp without dying first. Natural Gift. D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Is a crap move and one uses it on any Pokemon ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eury Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Earthquake can't miss; it has 100% accuracy and I doubt Metagross is holding Brightpowder. The 100% is a lie. It's actually a 99.6% chance. .4% is still really' date=' REALLY low, but it can still miss.[/quote'] Wasn't that only in Gen I, where the accuracy formula was flawed in-game? I'm pretty sure 100% moves from Gen II onwards retain their 100% accuracy, but please post a source if I'm incorrect. I think you're thinking of the Critical Hit formula. http://www.psypokes.com/lab/criticalhits.php It also says everything in Gen I was never 100%, and was instead rounded down to 99.6%. But I'm sure that still applies for accuracy in today's games as I've had moves such as Surf and EQ miss without things like Double Team, Sand Veil or Brightpowder in play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 That's probably "The Pokemon avoided the attack" rather than "The attack missed"; I still don't know what that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eury Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Even outside Surf and EQ, moves like Close Combat and Brave Bird have missed for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Garchomp is best and because of that I dislike it the most. Then it's Salamence > Tyrannitar > Metagross > Dragonite imo. But then again' date=' they can all do stuff none of the others can. tbh it's more of a tie than anything else; they have their niches which they're great at, which makes them hard to compare. Anyway, yeah, Garchomp has the power, speed and bulk to dick them all.[/quote'] Dragonite has nothing over the other psuedos outside of Banded or DDance ExtremeSpeed. And Lucario can do that better with SD. <_< That's probably "The Pokemon avoided the attack" rather than "The attack missed"; I still don't know what that is. I'm pretty sure in double battles that multi-Pokemon moves have reduced accuracy. But I'm pretty sure that Gen II and onwards had their accuracy formula fixed to 100% all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Garchomp is best and because of that I dislike it the most. Then it's Salamence > Tyrannitar > Metagross > Dragonite imo. But then again' date=' they can all do stuff none of the others can. tbh it's more of a tie than anything else; they have their niches which they're great at, which makes them hard to compare. Anyway, yeah, Garchomp has the power, speed and bulk to dick them all.[/quote'] Dragonite has nothing over the other psuedos outside of Banded or DDance ExtremeSpeed. I put Nite at the bottom for that reason and similar ones but it also has Heal Bell and can do status. Then again, WishMence has a pretty good supporting role too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Metal Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 Garchomp is the best *Pulls off a 'Dark' and writes a 30 million word essay explaining why* I would also like to add that Dragonite is orange. ORANGE! :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 can do status That's horrible reasoning for why Dragonite is good, lol. I'm pretty sure some NU Pokemon can use status. But yeah, I get what you are saying. Out of all five, though, it is the only one to have priority... well, Metagross has Bullet Punch, but that is really only used on lead sets. I like to thoroughly explain my opinions in these Pokemon threads because you have idiots who say "i liek salmnc cuz he is fastr den garchamp n can use aqua tale". I don't mind people having a non-competitive opinion, but don't say competitive bullshit that you can't even comprehend. Half of the people in this forum don't even know that Garchomp is faster than Salamence, and I literally faceplam (yes, plam) when people say that Salamence can outspeed Garchomp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 Garchomp FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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