The Ban Thread

[Silencerleader]

Not like many people will get banned sooner or later. Like a mania of banned people threatening to destroy YCM...the HORROR!

[Frunk]

I mean' date=' hasn't there been at least 1 mod who's gone at least once "mad" with power? I can easily seeing that happen around here, somebody going "ban-crazy", and then THERE goes the neighborhood.

 

 

 

Right down the drain.

[/quote']

 

 

 

ESPECIALLY if it's a perm-ban. Ouch.

 

I really don't understand what either of you are getting at.

 

Anyway, I don't believe Tkill's decision should've been more "leen", as it occurs to me that they have both been attacking Newcas on more than just the occasion of his thread "stealing" whatever it was. Once again, I don't know the facts, but what I do know is that is an unwritten policy here that moderator's never go back on their decisions unless there are great circumstances under which they should, and we certainly do not allow backseat moderator's to have their say acted upon, let alone have a say at all.

 

I think that these two got off quite lightly with only a couple of days each, so the ban sticks.

[Azuh]

eh Frunk

 

if they complain.. there breaking rule 20 anyways

 

Rule 20

 

Staff have final say

If a mod bans a member it is for a reason and of course members can protest but please keep the protesting to yourself because we do not want this kind of thing going on here. The moderator's of this forum do not have an easy job and it would be best that if you have a problem you bring it up with them in a calm manner. Flaming the moderator's for the decisions that make will most likely get you into trouble.

 

so... what ever stays goes!

[Frunk]

Precisily! Darkthorne seemed to take it pretty well, though, but I haven't spoken to JK.

[Tkill93]

All i have to say is that nukyasu should also face some sort of punishment' date=' because he did steal several of Dark's ideas, and he did copy JK's club, then change the thread to make it look like he was innocent, and JK and myself were just Flaming him.

 

Please, look into this,

Sincerely,

Max

[/quote']

 

He copied, but he didnt steal. If JK makes a graphics club, and I want to aswell, I can. Unless nukyasu directly steals from them there's nothing we can do

[Static]

Darkthorne asked me to post something. So here it is:

 

*Nukn00b stole renders from Ryuk Shinigami.

*I had a copyright on the specific way I did liquid sigs and he used it, it's stealing. Legally.

*If it [the ban's end time] is 11 PM PST, make it 8PM PST otherwise it's the same as a 2-Day ban, and TKill, Frunk and Darkthorne spoke and determined a 1-Day would be okay.

 

That is all.

[Miranda_Cosgrove14]

I was looking at my reps, and The Slime Lord has neg repped me 5 times, is that bad? I dont think its fair.

[Tkill93]

Darkthorne asked me to post something. So here it is:

 

*Nukn00b stole renders from Ryuk Shinigami.

*I had a copyright on the specific way I did liquid sigs and he used it' date=' it's stealing. Legally.

*If it [the ban's end time'] is 11 PM PST, make it 8PM PST otherwise it's the same as a 2-Day ban, and TKill, Frunk and Darkthorne spoke and determined a 1-Day would be okay.

 

That is all.

*The renders don't match. and nukyasu's are of lower quality. I do believe that he found similar pictures to Ryuks, but cropped them himself.

 

*You cant copyright a specific way of using gimp. Unless you are the owner of gimp ( Or the maker of the program ) They made the program and all of the features so everyone could use them. Anyone who knows anything about graphics knows this.

[Azuh]

I was looking at my reps' date=' and The Slime Lord has neg repped me 5 times, is that bad? I dont think its fair.

[/quote']

 

wrong thread

[Miranda_Cosgrove14]

I was looking at my reps' date=' and The Slime Lord has neg repped me 5 times, is that bad? I dont think its fair.

[/quote']

 

wrong thread

 

 

wrong thread? this is the ban thread isnt it?

[Azuh]

I was looking at my reps' date=' and The Slime Lord has neg repped me 5 times, is that bad? I dont think its fair.

[/quote']

 

wrong thread

 

 

wrong thread? this is the ban thread isnt it?

 

supposed to be in the Rep COmplaint Thread... whats reps got to do with banning?

 

http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/showthread.php?tid=1975

 

and really.. it looks like you deserve them from spamming anyways

[The Slime Lord]

There is a reason I gave you those negs. As of now, I'm itching to give you another, but I won't. Read the name of the thread before you post in it!

[+Jono]

Would it be ok to look up copyright law where darkthorne lives to see if his license effects his liquid banner thingys?

[Miranda_Cosgrove14]

There is a reason I gave you those negs. As of now' date=' I'm itching to give you another, but I won't. Read the name of the thread before you post in it!

[/quote']

 

I know theres a reason, but 5 is a little much, doncha think?

[Draco Straybyrn]

Hello, all. I'm back. Had a fun time being banned. Actually got to live life.

 

I do believe this post would be referred to as "Bringing the Rain".

 

Prepare to be hit by a wall of text, mmk?

 

Here are some quotes for reference:

 

-Nuk’s Flame Thread-

 

So apparently he was flaming me? JK got the following PM:

 

Im so sick and tired of you annoying me like im a 2 year old because im not. Im starting to think your the 2 year old. If you think your so cool than think that but when it comes to honesty i win. I DIDNT STEAL. When it comes to who's nicer' date=' i win. IM NOT MEAN. So while your at home tucked up in your little bed, i hope you think about what you've done. JUST GET A DAMN LIFE.

 

That's it, word for word.

 

So yeah, we're not the ones continuing the argument, and you deserve everything you had thrown at you. You went against your word 3 TIMES. You also ripped off ideas. You need to learn how to LIVE LIFE. We already had this discussion, and I thought you understood. I guess not.

 

Oh, and blocking me on MSN isn't being mature about it. Maturity would be willing to talk it out.

 

My two cents, and the truth.

 

By the way, good riddance to bad news. I was hoping you would be an apprentice of mine, but you caused that to fail. Wasn't my fault.

[/quote']

 

-Nuk’s Render Shop-

 

(1st post)

If you start selling other people's renders' date=' I'm going to bring the mods down on you so hard you won't know what hit you.

 

(2nd post)

You render-stealing little bi@tch. You STOLE from Ryuk!

 

 

Oh, not only that, but you did a really bad job cropping them. Prices? Too high.

[/quote']

 

So, pretty much, the only “Flaming” I did that was outright and a violation was “bi@tch”. Next point.

 

^ Damn it' date=' learn to read posts above yours before you post.

 

^ Hell yeah!

[/quote']

 

Two things to argue here.

1. Spamming? The second one, I would say.

2. “Damn” and “Hell”. So I can’t say bi@tch and JK can’t say sh*t, but Frunk can say “Hell” and “Damn”?

 

JK came crawing to me and asked for my openion <.< i dont really care but meh i think the mods should have been a little leen but not my choose

 

So' date=' a first opinion of lenience.

 

never expected them to get banned.

 

Perhaps implied opinion? I won’t put words in his mouth, but Kizzi said the same.

 

All i have to say is that nukyasu should also face some sort of punishment' date=' because he did steal several of Dark's ideas, and he did copy JK's club, then change the thread to make it look like he was innocent, and JK and myself were just Flaming him.

 

Please, look into this,

Sincerely,

Max

[/quote']

 

So Max thinks it was a bit harsh, too. See a pattern yet? We shouldn’t have to turn into diaper-wearing tattletales in order to get things done. And everyone knows that temper can be cruel. So think about that.

 

So there are the quotes, and now the opinion.

 

MSN Convo.

 

1/22/2008 2:40:01 PM Tkill93 Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) Oh, you must think i care

1/22/2008 2:40:17 PM Tkill93 Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) You can tell people the porper spelling of your name once your banned.

1/22/2008 3:24:30 PM Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) Tkill93 o_O

 

So look at that. It may have been on MSN, but it certainly wasn’t very kind. I would like to say that Frunk and TKill were both cooperative on MSN in speaking with me. If either has the logs, and would post them, I’d like that. I didn’t have the logs saved, unfortunately.

 

Maybe that was the last quote. So here we go and talk. Yeah, I acknowledge that it may have been wrong to say “bi@tch”, but is there no warning? Should there be? I think so. It’s not fair to ban someone for the utterance of a word, with no warning. Yeah, I’ve read the rules, but did you think I didn’t edit my post for a reason? I did have a reason. To make sure you saw it. It may have resulted in a ban, but obviously reporting the shop was slower than doing that. It got him to close his shop, didn’t it? Yup. It wasn’t a direct utterance, was it? Nope. YCM either needs more mods, or faster-reacting ones. We have GBT who’s only a Local Mod, and then pretty much only Frunk, TKill, and Kaze as our Super Mods. 3 Super Mods, over 40,000 members. Hmmmm. I don’t think that math is right. Enough of me. On to nukyasu. Yes, I’m going to speak about him.

 

Alright, you banned me. Happy? Great. What about nukyasu, the provoker? Does he serve no sentence? This is exactly like dealing with an annoying little brother: You get busted, and he doesn’t learn anything. He’ll just keep on getting away with it, ripping off shops and clubs, going unnoticed, while intelligent members who contribute much to YCM get banned, and possibly decide to leave. Is this what you want? I would hope not.

 

Think about it. Please, for the sake of your forum, and those who inhabit it. I’m hoping this doesn’t get me banned, as the only utterance of cursing or otherwise is quoted.

 

Mare’s Bit.

 

 

Mare says:

Add this:

 

"Mare requests Nukyasu to be punished. He was one of the major reasons of Mare's leave' date=' and he copied and stole too much, and also swore in PMs. If that kid doesn't get dealt with, Mare WON'T return at Apr 1, and not in anyone's dreams."

Mare says:

And if they disagree, screenshot it from now and copy it into the post.

[/quote']

[Tkill93]

 

^ Damn it' date=' learn to read posts above yours before you post.

 

^ Hell yeah!

[/quote']

 

Two things to argue here.

1. Spamming? The second one, I would say.

2. “Damn” and “Hell”. So I can’t say bi@tch and JK can’t say sh*t, but Frunk can say “Hell” and “Damn”?

Usee the search button, the mod team decided that damn isnt a swear word. Hell is something religious, not a swear.

 

JK came crawing to me and asked for my openion <.< i dont really care but meh i think the mods should have been a little leen but not my choose

 

So' date=' a first opinion of lenience.

[b']Mods have the final say, his opinion isnt relevant[/b].

 

never expected them to get banned.

 

Perhaps implied opinion? I won’t put words in his mouth' date=' but Kizzi said the same. [b']Same as before[/b]

 

All i have to say is that nukyasu should also face some sort of punishment' date=' because he did steal several of Dark's ideas, and he did copy JK's club, then change the thread to make it look like he was innocent, and JK and myself were just Flaming him.

 

Please, look into this,

Sincerely,

Max

[/quote']

 

So Max thinks it was a bit harsh, too. See a pattern yet? We shouldn’t have to turn into diaper-wearing tattletales in order to get things done. And everyone knows that temper can be cruel. So think about that.

Tattletales? This is a forum, and you have NO RIGHT to take things into your own hands. That's called mini modding. You need to tell mods and let them sort it out, and only do something if requested to.

So there are the quotes, and now the opinion.

 

MSN Convo.

 

1/22/2008 2:40:01 PM Tkill93 Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) Oh, you must think i care

1/22/2008 2:40:17 PM Tkill93 Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) You can tell people the porper spelling of your name once your banned.

1/22/2008 3:24:30 PM Matt Enloe (Darkthorne) Tkill93 o_O

 

Indeed i was rude, after the rude remark you gave me, I gave one back. No need to cry about it

So look at that. It may have been on MSN, but it certainly wasn’t very kind. I would like to say that Frunk and TKill were both cooperative on MSN in speaking with me. If either has the logs, and would post them, I’d like that. I didn’t have the logs saved, unfortunately.

 

Maybe that was the last quote. So here we go and talk. Yeah, I acknowledge that it may have been wrong to say “bi@tch”, but is there no warning? Should there be? I think so. It’s not fair to ban someone for the utterance of a word, with no warning. You dont need warning though. If you break a rule you should be prepared to face the consequences. Nowhere does it say mods are obliged to give a warning. Yeah, I’ve read the rules, but did you think I didn’t edit my post for a reason? I did have a reason. To make sure you saw it. It may have resulted in a ban, but obviously reporting the shop was slower than doing that. It got him to close his shop, didn’t it? Yup. It wasn’t a direct utterance, was it? Nope. YCM either needs more mods, or

faster-reacting ones. We have GBT who’s only a Local Mod, and then pretty much only Frunk, TKill, and Kaze as our Super Mods. 3 Super Mods, over 40,000 members. Hmmmm. I don’t think that math is right.

We get to it. Im on during the day and Frunk at night, we do have LIVES and things are running smoothly around here. Also, no minimodding.

 

 

Enough of me. On to nukyasu. Yes, I’m going to speak about him.

 

Alright, you banned me. Happy? Great. What about nukyasu, the provoker? Does he serve no sentence? This is exactly like dealing with an annoying little brother: You get busted, and he doesn’t learn anything. He’ll just keep on getting away with it, ripping off shops and clubs, going unnoticed, while intelligent members who contribute much to YCM get banned, and possibly decide to leave. Is this what you want? I would hope not.

No one said he'd get away with anything. And there''s a difference between stealing, and reproducing. I've spoken to you about this. You did not post a link to which the renders were "stolen". Without that link there's nothing we can do but assume. Also, the intelligent members aren't the ones getting themselves banned in the first place.

 

Think about it. Please, for the sake of your forum, and those who inhabit it. I’m hoping this doesn’t get me banned, as the only utterance of cursing or otherwise is quoted.

 

Mare’s Bit.

 

 

Mare says:

Add this:

 

"Mare requests Nukyasu to be punished. He was one of the major reasons of Mare's leave' date=' and he copied and stole too much, and also swore in PMs. If that kid doesn't get dealt with, Mare WON'T return at Apr 1, and not in anyone's dreams."

Mare says:

And if they disagree, screenshot it from now and copy it into the post.

[/quote']

Mare requests? His request doesnt really mean anything.

 

Now, Nukyasu wont get off scott free if you can lay out all of your proof, pm it to both me and frunk. If he thinks he should be punished aswell, then youve got a case instead of taking matters into your own hands

 

 

[Draco Straybyrn]

Then a case I shall present.

[Static]

Darkthorne asked me to post something. So here it is:

 

*Nukn00b stole renders from Ryuk Shinigami.

*I had a copyright on the specific way I did liquid sigs and he used it' date=' it's stealing. Legally.

*If it [the ban's end time'] is 11 PM PST, make it 8PM PST otherwise it's the same as a 2-Day ban, and TKill, Frunk and Darkthorne spoke and determined a 1-Day would be okay.

 

That is all.

*The renders don't match. and nukyasu's are of lower quality. I do believe that he found similar pictures to Ryuks, but cropped them himself.

 

*You cant copyright a specific way of using gimp. Unless you are the owner of gimp ( Or the maker of the program ) They made the program and all of the features so everyone could use them. Anyone who knows anything about graphics knows this.

 

ok. If he read your response, then good, if not, well, for now, I'm staying out of this issue.

[Draco Straybyrn]

Fine by me, I can post now. 8)

[Frunk]

-Nuk’s Flame Thread-

 

So apparently he was flaming me? JK got the following PM:

 

Im so sick and tired of you annoying me like im a 2 year old because im not. Im starting to think your the 2 year old. If you think your so cool than think that but when it comes to honesty i win. I DIDNT STEAL. When it comes to who's nicer' date=' i win. IM NOT MEAN. So while your at home tucked up in your little bed, i hope you think about what you've done. JUST GET A DAMN LIFE.

 

That's it, word for word.

 

So yeah, we're not the ones continuing the argument, and you deserve everything you had thrown at you. You went against your word 3 TIMES. You also ripped off ideas. You need to learn how to LIVE LIFE. We already had this discussion, and I thought you understood. I guess not.

 

Oh, and blocking me on MSN isn't being mature about it. Maturity would be willing to talk it out.

 

My two cents, and the truth.

 

By the way, good riddance to bad news. I was hoping you would be an apprentice of mine, but you caused that to fail. Wasn't my fault.

[/quote']

 

-Nuk’s Render Shop-

 

(1st post)

If you start selling other people's renders' date=' I'm going to bring the mods down on you so hard you won't know what hit you.

 

(2nd post)

You render-stealing little bi@tch. You STOLE from Ryuk!

 

 

Oh, not only that, but you did a really bad job cropping them. Prices? Too high.

[/quote']

 

So, pretty much, the only “Flaming” I did that was outright and a violation was “bi@tch”. Next point.

 

A violation is a violation.

 

^ Damn it' date=' learn to read posts above yours before you post.

 

^ Hell yeah!

[/quote']

 

Two things to argue here.

1. Spamming? The second one, I would say.

2. “Damn” and “Hell”. So I can’t say bi@tch and JK can’t say sh*t, but Frunk can say “Hell” and “Damn”?

 

I have said many a time for people incompetent like you that "damn" and "hell" have been determined as acceptable for this forum, that is why they are not automatically censored like other words. You won't find it by searching, though, this converstation took place in the mods, forum, and I will screenshot if need be.

 

Also, defining a post as spam it determined by the context of the post itself. I told "devil jin" to read the posts above his because he was spamming the thread and no one else had told him yet, thus the post is completely legal and legitimate. The "Hell Yeah" comment, if you had've bothered to read Wicket's post, was refering to the abnormality of his post inparticular, an "inside joke", one may say.

 

JK came crawing to me and asked for my openion <.< i dont really care but meh i think the mods should have been a little leen but not my choose

 

So' date=' a first opinion of lenience.

 

never expected them to get banned.

 

Perhaps implied opinion? I won’t put words in his mouth, but Kizzi said the same.

 

All i have to say is that nukyasu should also face some sort of punishment' date=' because he did steal several of Dark's ideas, and he did copy JK's club, then change the thread to make it look like he was innocent, and JK and myself were just Flaming him.

 

Please, look into this,

Sincerely,

Max

[/quote']

 

So Max thinks it was a bit harsh, too. See a pattern yet? We shouldn’t have to turn into diaper-wearing tattletales in order to get things done. And everyone knows that temper can be cruel. So think about that.

 

Yes, I see a pattern, a pattern of blatent backseat moderation. Guess what Darkthorne? Throughout this entire thread the sentiment has been "I didn't expect that", etc. Have a read, you'll be surprised.

 

Mare’s Bit.

 

 

Mare says:

Add this:

 

"Mare requests Nukyasu to be punished. He was one of the major reasons of Mare's leave' date=' and he copied and stole too much, and also swore in PMs. If that kid doesn't get dealt with, Mare WON'T return at Apr 1, and not in anyone's dreams."

Mare says:

And if they disagree, screenshot it from now and copy it into the post.

[/quote']

 

Honestly, I couldn't care less if Mare returns or not. This whole escapade of leaving and claiming that "everyone has given him hatred" is immature and just annoying. Newcas is about 10, and anyone who is going to waste their time arguing with or complaining about him is pathetic.

[Jerry OldMaster]

Please, calm down, Darkthorne. You know mods do not ban without a reason :\

[the Snakey Wolf Lord]

Umm... I can`t believe you wouldn`t add Chaoserver`s ban... I mean, he`s old news, but he was cool...

(Becuase I`m Chaoserver Mwahahahahahha! Can`t Catch Me!)

 

EDIT: This DOES give more information to the public.

 

EDIT: The first like... 4 or 3 or 5 posts give a good arguement...

[Draco Straybyrn]

I'm calm, I just had something to post. Frunk, Kaze, and TKill have recieved PMs from me as per TKill's request.

[Junk Raver]

I shall tell Kaze via MSN to check his PM box then ^_^

[Draco Straybyrn]

Why thank you DJ. Also, could you get on MSN?