Glorious Engine of Malice

[Grumpy Fish King]

Wait, seriously?

 

You're calling this theme specific, vanilla synchro with exceedingly low defense over powered?

 

Are you kidding me?

 

Is Scrap Archfiend overpowered too? Oh wait, no, that has 2700, 150 less. Obviously it's good then.

 

I literally had to make an account JUST for this thread. Seriously, wow. I am so utterly impressed.

 

A lv6 should never have more than 2600 attack? Wtf are you talking about? Ok, maybe if you didn't have specific special summoning requirements and could normal summon it like any nonsynchro, I MIGHT bite. I MIGHT. But there are type specific non-tuner requirements, machines nontheless, no effect, and ridiculously low defense. Sure, Sabers can't always handle it even with a Book of Moon but, SERIOUSLY? You're calling this overpowered?

 

Is Sora Toride Gol'gar too strong for a level 5 then? 2600 attack is too much!

 

Infernal Incinerator is a 2800 and not even a synchro! Obviously too powerful. Ignoring the fact that it requires almost EVERY RESOURCE YOU HAVE to bring out.

 

You guys are the same people who think that Infernities take skill aren't you?

 

Jazin, good card. Love the silliness. I'd go a step further and make it a specific-free synchro. Still wouldn't be worth running.

 

EDIT: ALSO, none of you have provided a single bit of evidence to claim its attack is too high except for your own opinion. Jazin has explained over and over, with legitimate concerns about how REAL things are considered broken or overpowered. You have yet to say anything beyond "omfg it's so strong! wtf?" While trying to compare it to Goyo whose stealing effect combined with Emergency Teleport and other ways to swarm Tuners is what made/makes him overpowered, slightly. Or Brionac whose lock and field clearing capabilities are the only things that overpowers it. Otherwise Brionac is amazingly balanced and great for the health of the game. A synchro to fight the synchros swarmed by the opponent? Amazingly good.

[Jazin Kay]

I'm not the one on the stand.

 

The opinion of everyone, except you, on this thread is it is too strong. There is NOTHING else to say about it! Is... is there an effect I'm missing?

 

You can't deny it's high ATK. That's the only thing here FOR it to be OP'd. I said bump it up a level, and you acted like I attacked your Jugular with intent to kill.

 

Oh, and you think if it's never played, it's not OP? Then I'm NOT thinking of pie right now, because, by golly, I never got said pie.

 

EDIT: Jay ninja'd me, so change my second part to 'Except you and Jay'

If it's OPed, so is this. But no one plays this trash, so why aren't you crying to Konami about THAT card?

 

I can deny it's high ATK. And I did. You're only seeing ONE good thing about a terrible card and calling it OPed. How smart does that make you look? How good of a player does that make you out to be?

 

Are you just afraid of card with high ATKs? I'd love to have heard your cries when we got Solidarity.

[Guest Tainted Black]

Wait, seriously?

 

You're calling this theme specific, vanilla synchro with exceedingly low defense over powered?

 

Are you kidding me?

 

Is Scrap Archfiend overpowered too? Oh wait, no, that has 2700, 150 less. Obviously it's good then.

Is he level 6? No. He's level .7

 

I literally had to make an account JUST for this thread. Seriously, wow. I am so utterly impressed.

So, you came on to flame other people?

 

A lv6 should never have more than 2600 attack? Wtf are you talking about? Ok, maybe if you didn't have specific special summoning requirements and could normal summon it like any nonsynchro, I MIGHT bite. I MIGHT. But there are type specific non-tuner requirements, machines nontheless, no effect, and ridiculously low defense. Sure, Sabers can't always handle it even with a Book of Moon but, SERIOUSLY? You're calling this overpowered?

Are Machines that rare in Machine decks? I did not know such a thing. Maybe my Cyber Dragons can go burn.

 

Is Sora Toride Gol'gar too strong for a level 5 then? 2600 attack is too much!

It has only 1 Archetype that can Synch with it.

 

Infernal Incinerator is a 2800 and not even a synchro! Obviously too powerful. Ignoring the fact that it requires almost EVERY RESOURCE YOU HAVE to bring out.

Yes, because a Nearly impossible card is OP. Yep. It also is not as powerful as it seems. It's only level 6 because it needs only 1 tribute... with 2000+ ATK!

 

You guys are the same people who think that Infernities take skill aren't you?

No, I think they require no skill.

 

Jazin, good card. Love the silliness. I'd go a step further and make it a specific-free synchro. Still wouldn't be worth running.

 

Wow, you love sucking up, on't you?

 

This card has a drawback of a certain type of monster which is not that rare. So, it's not really a drawback. It has higher ATK than most cards.

 

Well, by your logic, Darkness Neosphere is OP. I disagree, but you believe what you want.

[Cloister]

Awesome first post you got there Grumpy!

 

Well, saying that this card's Summoning can be stopped is like saying " Hey, I'm retarded". This card's Summoning can be stopped just as easily as any other Synchro's.

 

But seing it has no effect, I guess it's pretty balanced. And you have got to love the discussion. :3

[Jazin Kay]

it's not my logic I'm using.

 

It's yours.

[Guest Tainted Black]

I never said it's OP. EVER. Your card is. Slightly, yes, but it is OP. It is fairly easy to summon, even WITH it's drawback.

 

That guy, Fish or whatever, made fail points to support your card, which I shot down in seconds.

[Grumpy Fish King]

Sucking up? I've been playing longer and am a far better player than Jazin. I've proved this in the two times I've met the guy in person and put him in the ground. I don't need to suck up to him at all.

 

Because lv7s are so much harder to bring out. Oh wait, it makes it even easier! The only machines used are lv4s, 5 and 8. Gadgets and Gearframe, Cyber Dragon, and Machina Fortress respectively. Are level 2 or 3 tuners that difficult? Nah. Lv3s are dominating most of the game right now, I'm looking at you Sabers. Hell, Scrap Goblin is a BOSS. Add one or two to Machina and there you go, you have lv8 and lv7 access. If he was a lv6, I'm still waiting for your lv1 and 2 tuners that are going to go in Machina at all.

 

Only to flame? Pretty much, except I haven't flamed a bit. I'm mocking you, but that's not flaming. That's arrogance. I'm also providing legitimate points.

 

I'd still love to see your level one tuner with your Cyber Dragon for this 2850 vanilla.

 

With how you're arguing against Teddy Bear here, I expected you to agree with my sarcasm.

 

So none of you miss my previous edit:

EDIT: ALSO, none of you have provided a single bit of evidence to claim its attack is too high except for your own opinion. Jazin has explained over and over, with legitimate concerns about how REAL things are considered broken or overpowered. You have yet to say anything beyond "omfg it's so strong! wtf?" While trying to compare it to Goyo whose stealing effect combined with Emergency Teleport and other ways to swarm Tuners is what made/makes him overpowered, slightly. Or Brionac whose lock and field clearing capabilities are the only things that overpowers it. Otherwise Brionac is amazingly balanced and great for the health of the game. A synchro to fight the synchros swarmed by the opponent? Amazingly good.

 

Edit for this post: @Tomtekorv - Thank you, there's more to come though.

 

Edit 2: Fail points? I mocked your logic, or lack there of. I still have yet to see you make a point as to how 2850 attack on a vanilla that's not as easy to summon in a GOOD machine deck, is OP. I'm waiting, tick tock.

[♫♪GoldenBoy♪♫]

I never said it's OP. EVER. Your card is. Slightly, yes, but it is OP. It is fairly easy to summon, even WITH it's drawback.

 

That guy, Fish or whatever, made fail points to support your card, which I shot down in seconds.

 

And you honestly have made fail points as stating why this card is OP'ed, which Jazin, Tom, Grumpy, and myself have shot down in seconds so please stop trying.

[Blake]

Tom said nothing. I've made my points, and you made yours. I said nothing about yours, honestly, because I did not see your post.

 

YOU've yet to shoot down MY points, so stop trying, eh?

 

I'm out of here. You just trololololol all you like. You're not listenin' anyways.

[Jazin Kay]

I never said it's OP. EVER. Your card is. Slightly, yes, but it is OP. It is fairly easy to summon, even WITH it's drawback.

 

That guy, Fish or whatever, made fail points to support your card, which I shot down in seconds.

I'm using an analogy. Google it.

 

If my card is OPed, so is Darkness Neosphere. But this proves a point, of sorts. Since Darkness Neosphere is crap, it's not OPed. Bad cards are not played in YCS-level duels. Bad cards aren't glorified by bad players like you who only look at the ATK and scream their heads off about it being overpowered.

 

You have still yet to provide me with scenarios specific to my card and a deck that could summon it the easiest that would merit my card to be limited or banned out of OPed-ness. Probably because you can't. You'd rather just call it OPed and continue believing that.

 

 

My god, this reminds me of people on Gaia who think Ouija Boards are dangerous.

[~Jay~]

It's Op'd, it's no Op'd it's debatable just like Goyo is.

[Grumpy Fish King]

Sucking up? I've been playing longer and am a far better player than Jazin. I've proved this in the two times I've met the guy in person and put him in the ground. I don't need to suck up to him at all.

 

Because lv7s are so much harder to bring out. Oh wait, it makes it even easier! The only machines used are lv4s, 5 and 8. Gadgets and Gearframe, Cyber Dragon, and Machina Fortress respectively. Are level 2 or 3 tuners that difficult? Nah. Lv3s are dominating most of the game right now, I'm looking at you Sabers. Hell, Scrap Goblin is a BOSS. Add one or two to Machina and there you go, you have lv8 and lv7 access. If he was a lv6, I'm still waiting for your lv1 and 2 tuners that are going to go in Machina at all.

 

Only to flame? Pretty much, except I haven't flamed a bit. I'm mocking you, but that's not flaming. That's arrogance. I'm also providing legitimate points.

 

I'd still love to see your level one tuner with your Cyber Dragon for this 2850 vanilla.

 

With how you're arguing against Teddy Bear here, I expected you to agree with my sarcasm.

 

So none of you miss my previous edit:

EDIT: ALSO, none of you have provided a single bit of evidence to claim its attack is too high except for your own opinion. Jazin has explained over and over, with legitimate concerns about how REAL things are considered broken or overpowered. You have yet to say anything beyond "omfg it's so strong! wtf?" While trying to compare it to Goyo whose stealing effect combined with Emergency Teleport and other ways to swarm Tuners is what made/makes him overpowered, slightly. Or Brionac whose lock and field clearing capabilities are the only things that overpowers it. Otherwise Brionac is amazingly balanced and great for the health of the game. A synchro to fight the synchros swarmed by the opponent? Amazingly good.

 

Edit for this post: @Tomtekorv - Thank you, there's more to come though.

 

Edit 2: Fail points? I mocked your logic, or lack there of. I still have yet to see you make a point as to how 2850 attack on a vanilla that's not as easy to summon in a GOOD machine deck, is OP. I'm waiting, tick tock.

 

 

Tom said nothing. I've made my points, and you made yours. I said nothing about yours, honestly, because I did not see your post.

 

YOU've yet to shoot down MY points, so stop trying, eh?

 

I'm out of here. You just trololololol all you like. You're not listenin' anyways.

Listening? I'm listening. All I hear is your ridiculousness.

 

It's Op'd, it's no Op'd it's debatable just like Goyo is.

It's not OP'd in the slightest. Not a single thing about this card is OP'd.

[Nexev]

Brionac is slightly OPed. He can set up a situation where defending is futile.

 

I am required to take criticism in the same sense you are required to take mine of yours.

 

2 people? I see 2 kids who are bad at the game.

 

Many decks can use Goyo, yes. That doesn't make Goyo OPed. If Goyo had... let's say, some sort of single-effect protection or something, then he'd be OPed. Something that prevents targeting, or the like. But he doesn't. He falls easily to any card effect your opponent is gonna throw at it. Same with my card.

 

We have a word for cards like this, where I come from. "Glass cannons". Make sense yet?

 

You said it was OPed. I disagreed and provided evidence. Wanna keep going with this? Still waiting for that proof that it's OPed.

I see a guy who can't count to three.

 

>.>

[Grumpy Fish King]

I see a guy who can't count to three.

 

>.>

I see a guy who can't make a good point.

[Jazin Kay]

I see a guy who can't count to three.

 

>.>

Missed you, sorry. :P

[Nexev]

Lets see here.

 

Dude, you are required to take criticism. I gave it. You are just being hardheaded about it. There are 2 other people telling you it's OP'd. Goyo was OP'd. What's next? BRIONAC is not OP'd? It is. You can make a deck that uses Goyo a lot. It can make or break a game.

 

Now, you're insulting me for having an opinon. BRILLIANT.

 

This card has too much ATK, you just won't see that, and you defend it like it's your life's work.

 

Brionac is slightly OPed. He can set up a situation where defending is futile.

 

I am required to take criticism in the same sense you are required to take mine of yours.

 

2 people? I see 2 kids who are bad at the game.

 

Many decks can use Goyo, yes. That doesn't make Goyo OPed. If Goyo had... let's say, some sort of single-effect protection or something, then he'd be OPed. Something that prevents targeting, or the like. But he doesn't. He falls easily to any card effect your opponent is gonna throw at it. Same with my card.

 

We have a word for cards like this, where I come from. "Glass cannons". Make sense yet?

 

You said it was OPed. I disagreed and provided evidence. Wanna keep going with this? Still waiting for that proof that it's OPed.

Case in point, the guy can't count.

 

Plus I can't help but notice that you only post here Grump and joined only 30 minutes before you post.

 

I've read that noobs commonly make doubles that support there arguement so they can look cool.

 

 

I have usen beatdown, a high attack can mess you up extremly badly, been in atleast 10 games where I got locked since a monster was too strong and it wiped out anything I played before I could build in offense.

 

So, yeah, easy to summon, easy to dominate is OP as it ruins the game when you can't do anything as your opponent cruises into a win.

 

 

I'm not saying I'm right, I'm sayin your wrong.

[Jazin Kay]

I'm out of here. You just trololololol all you like. You're not listenin' anyways.

And with that, we witness a ragequit.

[~Jay~]

To me I don't think it's Op'd at all. The only thing it was in anything is high ATK. It has summoning restrictions and no effect. Just whip about DAD, Red Dragon Archfiend and destroy it. Or use D-Prison, one of my favs.

[Jazin Kay]

Case in point, the guy can't count.

2 + 0 = 2. You didn't get what I meant there, did you?

 

Plus I can't help but notice that you only post here Grump and joined only 30 minutes before you post.

I alerted him to this thread. he chose to hop in of his own accord.

 

I've read that noobs commonly make doubles that support there arguement so they can look cool.

I've read that too.

 

I have usen beatdown, a high attack can mess you up extremly badly, been in atleast 10 games where I got locked since a monster was too strong and it wiped out anything I played before I could build in offense.

What's your tourny deck like, though? The one you use when you get serious?

 

So, yeah, easy to summon, easy to dominate is OP as it ruins the game when you can't do anything as your opponent cruises into a win.

Why can't the opponent do anything? Why is it easy to summon? Why does it ruin the game?

They can, it isn't, and it doesn't.

I'm not saying I'm right, I'm sayin your wrong.[/color][/color]

Same here.

[Lord Smeagle]

Powerful, sure. A fine Synchro beatstick for Machine players that for some reason can't afford Goyo/Brionac. Nothing more, nothing less. The only thing that makes this potentially broken is, well, Limiter Removal.

[Grumpy Fish King]

Case in point, the guy can't count.

Obviously I meant that he can't count. Not at all did I mean that you could be wrong about the strength level of the card posted in this thread. You know, the reason you should have been counted at all? I see a person who can't think outside the box?

 

Plus I can't help but notice that you only post here Grump and joined only 30 minutes before you post.

 

I've read that noobs commonly make doubles that support there arguement so they can look cool.

My name is Joe, my Gaia account is Grumpy Giygas, my email is roguechesspiece at hotmail dot com. Want anymore evidence I'm someone else?

 

I have usen beatdown, a high attack can mess you up extremly badly, been in atleast 10 games where I got locked since a monster was too strong and it wiped out anything I played before I could build in offense.

Then you're bad at this game? Congratulations.

 

So, yeah, easy to summon, easy to dominate is OP as it ruins the game when you can't do anything as your opponent cruises into a win.

Easy to summon in a bad machine deck sure, and the opponent cruises for a win if you didn't prepare for possibility of a synchro summon or the possibility of being attacked by a vanilla beatstick

 

I'm not saying I'm right, I'm sayin your wrong.

I'm not saying Obama is right, I'm saying you're wrong and I'm right. I'm also saying that you obviously are terrible at this game.

 

EDIT: Awww, did I scare you away?

[Rampage567]

Brionac is slightly OPed. He can set up a situation where defending is futile.

 

I am required to take criticism in the same sense you are required to take mine of yours.

 

2 people? I see 2 kids who are bad at the game.

 

Many decks can use Goyo, yes. That doesn't make Goyo OPed. If Goyo had... let's say, some sort of single-effect protection or something, then he'd be OPed. Something that prevents targeting, or the like. But he doesn't. He falls easily to any card effect your opponent is gonna throw at it. Same with my card.

 

We have a word for cards like this, where I come from. "Glass cannons". Make sense yet?

 

You said it was OPed. I disagreed and provided evidence. Wanna keep going with this? Still waiting for that proof that it's OPed.

 

I have to agree with him. Earthbound Imorrtals are OP'ed. This is nothing like an Earthbound Imortal.

[Jazin Kay]

Earthbound Immortals aren't OPed. They're poop.

 

Oh god, what kind of 4kids-watching 11-year-old still thinks that these days?

[Jake the Sage]

Alright let me being with the level.

 

With this card being a level six monster, disregarding it needing a machine-type monster, it is fairly easy to Synchro Summon. There are 17 [yes I actually counted them] Lvl 2 tuner monsters currently out in circulation. With a simple level 2 tuner and all you would need is 1 lvl 4 monster to go along with it. I am not even going to BEGIN to estimate all of the combos which can get other tuners down to being level 2 so lets continue . . .

 

Now onto the added "restrictions" of the OTHER monster having to be of the machine-type . . . I really don't see how this is a restriction at all. Machine-type monsters are, out of all the types of monsters there are in Duel Monsters, one of the most popular to be used and most numerious. So finding any level 4 machine type is all too simple to do. Again- NOT a Restricion at all.

 

Seeing as there are some Lvl 6 Monsters with no effect at all I won't even consider it not having a one as a hinderance and what not. No effects actually means not much at all, just a harder to summon beatdown monster <_<

 

Now for the DEFENSE of this card, 1300. A decent defense considering the level, though I would never imagine when on Earth someone would WANT to put in Defense Mode; unless forced too. Either way seeing as most Lvl 6 Synchro Monsters Defenses range mostly around 1500-1800 I'd say the defense is almost spot on.

 

Finally what everyone has been talking about! The ATTACK! With a total of 2850 attack this card is only 150 points away from being 3000 [aren't I amazing at math XD] and being an incredibly destructive force that not a lot of monsters can stand up against. This is where someone else, prior to me, said that once you get him out you can easily walk through to an easy win by just slaughtering your opponent's monsters. In my own personal opinion this attack is WAY too high for a lvl 6 Synchro Monster, with or without any restrictions, as the highest ATK for an actual Lvl 6 Synchro is a mere 2500; I'd also like to add that this is generally the same ATK for Level 6 Normal/Effect Monsters.

 

So all in all I think this card is a bit too much for a realistic card. It is way too easy to Synchro Summon, even with it's supposed "machine monster restriction", and it's attack is way beyond anything that is actually out. But Jake!? What about Spells, Traps and Monster(s) Effects that can easily destory this card!?[/whinny voice]

 

Well of course there are a lot of other cards that can more than easily take this card out or prevent it from ever getting to the field. That goes with any card . . .

 

But if this card IS able to get on the field, and believe me with its level I can darn sure see it being on the field quickly, it'll easily walk over most cards; if not all low level cards.

 

Point in Fact- Too Easy to Get Out. Too High of Attack for it's level.

 

Ways To Possibly Fix This Card:

 

First I'd suggest changinf the "1 Or More Machine-Type Monster" to a simple "Machine-Type Tuner". There is ONLY 2 Machine-Type tuners out in circulation ATM, so that drastically increases actually getting it out; again I am not counting any Lvl 3 or Higher Machine-Type Tuners.

 

Now if you don't/won't change the requirements needed to Synchro Summon it then there should be only two other options I can think of two make this card FAIR!

 

The first being a "Negative Effect". And by this I mean something like "During each of your End Phases you must Tribute 1 Machine-Type Monster or destory this card". Something that makes it harder to keep the card actually out, seeing as it is easily summoned.

 

Secondly, and finally, would be naturally to lower it's base ATK. As I've said before the highest circulated ATK for a Lvl 6 Synchro Monster is 2500 ATK; its actually Archfiend Zombie-Skull [don't believe me? Go check for yourselves . . .] What is a simple 350 point deduction to make it more balanced?

 

So in total the card, unedited at the moment in time which I've critiqued it, would be a 2/5

[Grumpy Fish King]

Alright let me being with the level.

 

With this card being a level six monster, disregarding it needing a machine-type monster, it is fairly easy to Synchro Summon. There are 17 [yes I actually counted them] Lvl 2 tuner monsters currently out in circulation. With a simple level 2 tuner and all you would need is 1 lvl 4 monster to go along with it. I am not even going to BEGIN to estimate all of the combos which can get other tuners down to being level 2 so lets continue . . .

What good machine deck is supported by these lv2s? None? Got it.

 

Now onto the added "restrictions" of the OTHER monster having to be of the machine-type . . . I really don't see how this is a restriction at all. Machine-type monsters are, out of all the types of monsters there are in Duel Monsters, one of the most popular to be used and most numerious. So finding any level 4 machine type is all too simple to do. Again- NOT a Restricion at all.

Again, good Machine deck plz

 

Seeing as there are some Lvl 6 Monsters with no effect at all I won't even consider it not having a one as a hinderance and what not. No effects actually means not much at all, just a harder to summon beatdown monster <_<

Yes, harder to summon vanilla beatdown monster. Absolutely worthless.

 

Now for the DEFENSE of this card, 1300. A decent defense considering the level, though I would never imagine when on Earth someone would WANT to put in Defense Mode; unless forced too. Either way seeing as most Lvl 6 Synchro Monsters Defenses range mostly around 1500-1800 I'd say the defense is almost spot on.

Almost? It's ridiculous low. Anything short of Sabers (with the exceptions of Boggart and Airbellum) have lv4s or lower that can handle that defense with the wonderful mainstream of three mained books of moon.

 

Finally what everyone has been talking about! The ATTACK! With a total of 2850 attack this card is only 150 points away from being 3000 [aren't I amazing at math XD] and being an incredibly destructive force that not a lot of monsters can stand up against. This is where someone else, prior to me, said that once you get him out you can easily walk through to an easy win by just slaughtering your opponent's monsters. In my own personal opinion this attack is WAY too high for a lvl 6 Synchro Monster, with or without any restrictions, as the highest ATK for an actual Lvl 6 Synchro is a mere 2500; I'd also like to add that this is generally the same ATK for Level 6 Normal/Effect Monsters.

You have no evidence to claim that this is game breaking. 2850 vanilla monster? I can summon a Blue Eyes White Dragon easier and in a better deck than this thing would come out. I can naturally bring out BEWD in a Hopeless Dragon deck while not even worrying about having to add Tuners that take away from the deck's flow. BEWD is OP then

 

So all in all I think this card is a bit too much for a realistic card. It is way too easy to Synchro Summon, even with it's supposed "machine monster restriction", and it's attack is way beyond anything that is actually out. But Jake!? What about Spells, Traps and Monster(s) Effects that can easily destory this card!?[/whinny voice]

 

Well of course there are a lot of other cards that can more than easily take this card out or prevent it from ever getting to the field. That goes with any card . . .

 

But if this card IS able to get on the field, and believe me with its level I can darn sure see it being on the field quickly, it'll easily walk over most cards; if not all low level cards.

Try it. PLEASE try it. With Sabers or Infernities I'll Brionac it away, Gottoms it away, Mist Wurm it away, or Arcanite Magician it away. These are all easy as sin to do. Gladiators will Gyzarus or Murmillo. Quickdraw will Ryko it. Frogs will Monarch it. STUN will Fossil Dyna or Smash it. If this card did see serious play time, people would main more attack reactive traps. Congratulations. It's not broken, it made a slight influence. However, it wouldn't see mainstream play. Why? The only good Machine deck is Machina Gadgets, and they wouldn't run it.

 

Point in Fact- Too Easy to Get Out. Too High of Attack for it's level.

"Point in Opinion" you mean. You have not provided any real evidence. Your theories are way out of wack and completely wrong.

 

Ways To Possibly Fix This Card:

I'm not even bothering with your terrible fixes. You don't play this game competitively, obviously. Your opinion is, therefor, moot. You don't understand the metagame, thus you don't know what kind of influence something like this would have... which is none.

Try again.

 

I'll say it again. A vanilla 2850 that requires a machine nontuner would never be run. Why? Machina Gadgets is the only near top tier machine deck. There is no good lv2 to support the deck in general, let alone a tuner, let alone make it worth bringing out the 2850 beater when you'd rather bring out Machina Fortress. All of you naysayers are failing at basic metagame logic.

 

All I see are people trying to say the card is busted because of the ease to bring it out, or that its level has to somehow directly reflect its maximum attack power. There is no good deck that would use him and the latter is just plain ridiculous.

 

THIS CARD WOULD NOT SHOW UP IN TOP TIER COMPETITION.

 

There, in caps for you people to get the point.

 

Maybe your locals wouldn't like it, but your locals likely reflect your skills in debate.