Old School dueling, idea?

[ramze06]

I made a challenge to my friend to make a deck without using broken cards or splashable cards that'd make decks broken. Now I know cards like Mirror force and Bottomless Trap Hole is not Broken, they aren't needed imo. Like why have mirror force when we have Sakerretsu armor and plants already got a mirror force kindv'e card. He must also use a deck in said archetype and onnly 5 of the monsters can be outside the archetye (except monarchs and Twilight).

So with that I allow him to use broken cards as long as their within the archetype or theme, such as Ice Barrier (Brionac can be used), Twilight (all light and dark monsters), etc.

Here is the rules and stuff I listed:

have a challenge for you dude. We both have to make a deck and it must follow these rules:



It must be a theme or archetype and 15/20 of the monsters must be from this archetype or theme ;so no mixing archetypes either with the exception of Twilight of course(pure twilight, aka no Lightsworn Twilight). For example: so if you were to make a plant deck, you can only include 5 non plant monsters or 5 monsters that do not utilize plants in some way. Only excetion to this is Monarchs, if so, the deck must have 9+ monarchs in it.





Cannnot use certain broken splashable cards: Mirror Force, Bottomless Trap Hole, Dark Hole, Lightning Vortex, and Monster Reborn.



All synchro monsters must belong to said Archetype. Meaning you cannot splash in cards like Brionac Dragon of the Ice Barrier, Black Rose Dragon, etc. It must bel*ng to that archetype or be the same type of monster if the theme of your deck is monsters of the same type (aka Arcanite Magician and spellcaster type). Only exception to this is Red Dragon Archfiend and Stardust Dragon.



Lastly, No Exodia, Mill, or Burn, with the exception of archetypes like Fire based monster decks, or Flaming Skulls. All meta is allowed except Gladiator Beast and X-Saber (simply because their still too fast despite these rules and i I want the dual to last more than 3 turns).



Basically this challenge is so we can have a good old fashioned dual without broken cards, so we can actually relax and have a fun dual. I had a dual like this with somone recently it was fun as heck she used a DaD deck too, she won but it came close and it was more than 3 turns. Let me know if your up to it, I gurantee you it will be a fun challenge, if you can handle it.

[Brinolovania]

I refuse to do this, because you said Mirror Force is unecisary due to Sakuretsu. You are retarded.

[darkwolf777]

Make decks while limiting yourselves to the first 3 sets of Yugioh (Legend of the Blue Eyes White Dragon, Metal Raiders, and Magic Ruler), while still following the current banlist.

That's some old school dueling there~ (Well, it might be more old school if you DIDNT follow any banlist.. i'm not sure if there even was a banlist at this time yet)

[Dr. Cakey]

Hm. It's not perfect, but this is sort of an idea I'd been thinking about.

[Great Unclean One: VK]

LV is not broken.

BTH is not broken.

Mirror Force DESTROYS ALL of your Opponent's attack position monster.

Sak only kills one and doesn't negate the attack.

Also, the Plant's version requires a face up plant.

Mirror Force does not.

I like your idea, but skip the banlist and only allow cards made from the first 5 or so packs.

[Darkest Hour]

Actually...

this sounds kind of stupid, and not fun. This means people will horrible decks and no money have a chance of winning.

[Azmodius]

Actually, sometimes me and my friends play "no card after IOC".

[ramze06]

[quote name='-Pacman-' timestamp='1283613105' post='4598700']
I refuse to do this, because you said Mirror Force is unecisary due to Sakuretsu. You are retarded.
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Yeah and how am I retarded because you refuse to do this? Is it because you're too dumb to understand the concept of it is optional and just a idea or is it the fact you are insullted because you happen to play with cards like this and realy on them when you are backed against the wall, instead of actually putting stratedgy into your next move you just set a card and wait for your opponent so summon or attack so you can blow it up with something that requires one simple card with no combo intended?

Yeah, I thougt so. How about you actually think about my idea, atleast in the process that it is optional and if you don't like it get off foums and ignore the topic; otherwise try the dang idea. Its really refreshing when you can use a combo of summoning a strong monster or take a non competitive deck and make it competitive when you don't have to worrie about cards like Bottomless or Brionac. Yeah, their fun to use, but they still are broken to a degree by what I discribed. You don't ae to agree with me just saying the idea is anything but retarded. But don't take my word for it not like you actually even put any thought into your post anyway. Go troll somehwere else.

[Expelsword]

SD:Yugi vs. SD:Kaiba

do that

[Buttercup]

Gladiator Beasts are fast? o u.

It's a bad Pegasus League type idea that punishes creative combinations. No Frognarchs, SalvoDAD or Quickdraw makes me sad.

[ramze06]

[quote name='Darkest Hour' timestamp='1283639729' post='4600467']
Actually...

this sounds kind of stupid, and not fun. This means people will horrible decks and no money have a chance of winning.
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This is what I was getting at. The fact that you have to slap in staples like that to make your deck competitve is a bit overpowering don't you think?

People with horrible decks winning, wouldn't that be a good thing, because ya know then everyone can dual in a t1 format BASED ON THE SKILL YOU HAVE AND NOT THE CARDS?

Your basically proving my point. Some staples are a bit broken. In fact if there was less of them, I beleive a lot of cards wouldn't be on the ban list since ther ebasically there because of the either the combo you can make are broken or they dont require enough of a combo to be abusable (brionac). I beleive cards the Plant version of Mirror force is not broken because it cannot just be slapping into any deck and you have to set up for it.

Weaker decks like Elemental Hero's and Fortune Lady's (pure of course) can actually shine better and probably get easier support from Konami. Only reason they don't is because there themes cannot easily win, therefore are not tourney worthy as much, less attention and finally no Konami.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

1. Ignore people who hate you. YCM is hard against people who fight back. I'm not being mean to you, I'm just being helpful.
2. I'm not sure if this thread belongs here.
3. I refuse to do this, since most overpowered cards are banned or limited, though there are some exceptions. Imagine a jet coaster ride without the big hills. Boring, isn't it? Your idea is somewhat unique, but still it isn't my liking.

[Wrathos]

[quote name='Darkest Hour' timestamp='1283639729' post='4600467']
Actually...

this sounds kind of stupid, and not fun. This means people will horrible decks and [b]no money[/b] have a chance of winning.
[/quote]
How is that a bad thing?

[LiAM]

You're only a good duelist depending on how much money you spend.

Anyway, what's this about Mirror Force being worse than Sakuretsu Armour? Lolz.

[Buttercup]

[quote name='LiAM' timestamp='1284211846' post='4616576']
You're only a good duelist depending on how much money you spend.[/quote]

No you're not. You have to have a decent understanding of card theory and individual rulings first.

[LiAM]

[quote name='Ser Warjacksworth' timestamp='1284212065' post='4616583']
No you're not. You have to have a decent understanding of card theory and individual rulings first.
[/quote]

So you spend £8 on a starter deck. Someone spends £100 on structures, boosters and buying online.
Both with the same deck making ideas and knowledge.

Whose is better?

[Buttercup]

[quote name='LiAM' timestamp='1284212224' post='4616591']
So you spend £8 on a starter deck. Someone spends £100 on structures, boosters and buying online.
Both with the same deck making ideas and knowledge.

Whose is better?
[/quote]

I meant that you can't go into a regional with X-Sabers when you're a complete n00b and expect to top. Money's still a factor, but if you're saying you're only a good duelist depending on how much money you spend, you're wrong.

[Wrathos]

[quote name='LiAM' timestamp='1284212224' post='4616591']
So you spend £8 on a starter deck. Someone spends £100 on structures, boosters and buying online.
Both with the same deck making ideas and knowledge.

Whose is better?
[/quote]
Spending money makes you better?

[Manjoume Thunder]

$50 Machina or $2000+ Dark Lords.

Who is in a better position?

[CrabHelmet]

@topic: forcing everyone to run decks built around specific explicit themes Konami released reduces creative options drastically for no obvious benefit. If your only interest is reducing the impact of money on victory, use YVD or just proxy cards. As for banning individual cards... be less terrible at picking [i]which[/i] individual cards to ban, please. Lightning Vortex? Really?

[quote name='LiAM' timestamp='1284211846' post='4616576']
[b]You[/b]'re only a good duelist depending on how much money you spend.
[/quote]
[quote name='LiAM' timestamp='1284212224' post='4616591']
Who[b]se [deck][/b] is better?
[/quote]
I found your problem.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Awful idea. So many of the things you've chosen are completely arbitrary.

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

The easier way to do this is to say "no limited/semi-limited cards allowed." This takes out all the cards you want to take out along with other "splashable" and "broken" cards while still leaving the option to mix and match stuff for a better deck. This still provides a fairly good challenge so it tests your building and playing skills.

[Just Crouton]

[quote name='ramze06' timestamp='1284207030' post='4616424']
Yeah and how am I retarded because you refuse to do this? Is it because you're too dumb to understand the concept of it is optional and just a idea or is it the fact you are insullted because [b]you happen to play with cards like this and realy on them when you are backed against the wall, instead of actually putting stratedgy into your next move you just set a card and wait for your opponent so summon or attack so you can blow it up with something that requires one simple card with no combo intended?[/b]

Yeah, I thougt so. How about you actually think about my idea, atleast in the process that it is optional and if you don't like it get off foums and ignore the topic; otherwise try the dang idea. [b]Its really refreshing when you can use a combo of summoning a strong monster or take a non competitive deck and make it competitive when you don't have to worrie about cards like Bottomless or Brionac. Yeah, their fun to use, but they still are broken to a degree by what I discribed.[/b] You don't ae to agree with me just saying the idea is anything but retarded. But don't take my word for it not like you actually even put any thought into your post anyway. Go troll somehwere else.
[/quote]

Wasting a few cards to play a big monster that doesn't need a combo is pointless. To make this idea work, Pot of Greed and Graceful Charity would have to be at least @2 so the players can get the multiple cards for the combos and to replenish the hand after wasting the cards.

Basically, this idea is basically we should try playing anime/manga-style where any deck works, which doesn't happen in real life (believe me. I've tried Yugi, Kaiba, and Jaden decks.) The anime is purely fiction, and in real life, some storywriter isn't writing the gameplay and outcome of a game.

Even with these rules, you can't run a bunch of wimpy Level 3-5 vanillas from LOB-SRL and win without a bunch of broken cards like Mirror Force and Burden of the Mighty.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

[quote name='LiAM' timestamp='1284211846' post='4616576']
You're only a good duelist [b]and an idiot otaku[/b] depending on how much money you spend.

Anyway, what's this about Mirror Force being worse than Sakuretsu Armour? Lolz.
[/quote]
Fix'ed.