I think YCM is mature enough for this....

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

Well, for all the endless atrocities there are, it is amazing that the population of the world go up. My point, though, is that when it comes down to it, your numbers shouldn't be used like that. You're doing exactly one of the things FOX does that annoys me, and that is using the numbers to prove a biased point. I'll admit that you do it far better than they do, so you have my congratulations, but you fail to see that every one of those things have long since fallen into antiquity. As will this. So, I suggest you get used to the idea that this will be something that happens every year for about the next 10 years. If something should happen to you, or your loved ones, or your country, I'll tell you that I'm sorry and I feel for you. I'll let you grieve as long as it takes and I'll help you to move on. I won't tell you that there are worse atrocities.

[Yasu]

[quote name='PrimalFear' timestamp='1284254071' post='4618957']
I believe that 9/11 was more tragic and a bigger disaster.
[/quote]

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_of_the_War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29#Aggregation_of_estimates"]Oh really?~[/url]
[s](I lost the dead babies pictures, sorry 3:)[/s]
I guess you guys haven't heard about empathy ;_;

[Ghoulish]

I've read most of the comments now on the 4 thread pages, and yea there are alot of contrasting opinions, but can i put this idea forward that primal fear is also explaining in a way:

"People react to situations based on their relationship with that situation"

There are to many ways to look at the 9/11 attacks, was it terrorist? Was it the government? You know what that doesn't matter at this point, it happened so all we can do is mourn and curse. One can say that the 9/11 attacks were more tragic due to both, the shock of the event happening as it was unexpected and possible ties they had with people involved. Yes wars can be perceived as worse, but when going into a war the cautions are often predicted and not so much expected, but rather slightly prepared for. This attack, just like many natural disasters was both unexpected and of complete shock.

Of course it would be mourned more than many other tragedies and you know what? to each his own, I doubt you (crab helmet) can honestly say that if a member of your family or a close friend to you had perished in the attack that you wouldn't mourn this d\day more then others, I guess your maturatiy level can be scaled by how you respond to that. And how do we know that people in other countries don't mourn their tragic events? America is the most powerful country in the world, there's a good chance you wont go a day without seeing something american or something happening in america, they dominate TV the biggest source of news to people everywhere. Take the Tsunami for example, i went for a holiday to Thailand and a part of where the Tsunami hit, I wasn't there when it happened of course, but the villagers even told us of how they mourn that day and how they care for a dog that was one of the only things to survive the collision in that area. I'm from Australia, and although alot of news is done on events here, a good portion are also based off american events.

So, basically everyone should be able to mourn their choice of disaster, i don't see how crab helmet should be able to dictate how people feel and act to certain events just because crab helmet has opinions that seem to follow the theory that "What ever I think everyone should think". This may sound bad but, 1000 Lives can be perceived to be less than one to an individual who had a strong relationship with the 1 and no ties with the 1,000...look at it anyway you want, in your heart you know that's true.


+ 1 Rep to PrimalFear

[Yasu]

Well, from a [i]seemingly[/i] objective point of view you overreacted.
[color="#FFFFFF"]Don't bother on calling me Mr. obvious, I already have my rock.[/color]

[Just Crouton]

I'm not a history person, but wasn't 9/11 blowback from Desert Storm? I likely got the event wrong.

I was in 8th grade at the time, and brushed it off easily. While my family was worried about it, I was concerned with the fact that every channel on my TV reported it non-stop. I ended up watching the attacks on TV over and over for two days straight while drawing pictures. Still gut-wrenching stuff.

[FTW (For The Wynn)]

[quote name='~King Crouton~' timestamp='1284263900' post='4619527']
I'm not a history person, but wasn't 9/11 blowback from Desert Storm? I likely got the event wrong.

I was in 8th grade at the time, and brushed it off easily. While my family was worried about it, I was concerned with the fact that every channel on my TV reported it non-stop. I ended up watching the attacks on TV over and over for two days straight while drawing pictures. Still gut-wrenching stuff.
[/quote]

It kinda is blowback, but some extremist Muslims just hate the US. Them and half the world. It's just that they were the only ones to do anything to the US, in this case ramming planes into the WTC towers and blowing them up.

[NeoDemonX]

I am sorry for who ever I upsetted (PrimalFear and other people) it just that Americans don't know that Laden's and Bush's families are or were friends at one point time. And sure it was a tragic but their are bigger tragics in world then that but it 2001 it was big because it is the first 21 century but now with all this Earthquakes around the world this year. And I like how people are calling me a troll when I was not and if I were I would be laughing but I do respect the died.

[Ghoulish]

people will react most to the event that they are tied with, of course everyone will have sympathy, or a good hearted person would anyway, have sympathy for those who pass on, but when it involves someone close it's of course going to be mourned a hell of a lot more by that person

[Larxene]

Quite honestly, it didn't bother me in the slightest. I DO remember seeing it on TV while I was at school, and it really didn't affect me. At all.

If no one I know is involved, then really it doesn't concern me. I don't care if it seems cruel, but that's just how I am.

[Ghoulish]

i'm the same and i can admit it, i feel bad and all for a while but at the end of the day i just carry out my day

[Marisa Kirisame-ze]

I watched the full on marathon of documentaries of 9/11 throughout this whole day with friends and family :T

That's how much I'm interested in it. Because really, look at what humans can do.

[♥ӞŁåƈʁӞ℮ᴙʀɣ−ɴɨɨ−ƈħåɴ♥]

It was a very bad day for Anerica and the entire World.

[Ghoulish]

i think mayb soemthing that contributes to its significance is the fact that its a massive result from a common everyday thing. natural disasters are bad and random, but the now brought about fear of flying is in many people as flying is the only form of transportation to other countries

[Marisa Kirisame-ze]

I believe the major reason that this was such a huge historical event - aside from the basic terrorism - was the fact that they targeted the World Trade Center.

If they hit any museum or regular building in the area, sure it'd be a sad event at the same rate, but we lost the heart of major corporations that day as well. They were working people for major industries and that building was the offices to those industries. It's not the center of America, but it really is a big part of it. Now we lost that amount of business.

And don't think that's the only thing I think about when losing thousands of people to an act of terrorism, but honestly, that's what documented such history of it to me. We lost a huge connection of something we need in America. Not just any old building out there.

And another aspect is the fact that both airlines were American airlines. They could've chosen South West or any other national airline out there. So obviously, these terrorists really hated America.

This is what extremists can do though. It's crazy and couldn't be helped. Imagine the murder of thousands of people, all to appease their God.

[size="1"]Psh, not that any of you care, really. Go on, live your lives without being moved by this as you intended to in the first place.[/size]

[Kenpachi Zaraki]

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1284244232' post='4618338']
I can't be reading this correctly. Are you seriously telling me that mourning on 9/11 is as much directed at the random guy in California as it is about the people who died in the attacks? There's a word for claims of that nature: false.
[/quote]
I'm not saying [i]as much[/i] per say, but it definitely is a day worth remembering and mourning those we love who we have lost, regardless of whether the day is solely for the 9/11 attacks, do you not agree? I'm not saying that the day is for that purpose, so perhaps I made an error in calling you wrong, there is no wrong or right opinion.

[Ghoulish]

I think also is because of the "awareness" factor, the world trade centre as mentioned is a major centred corporation, the terrorists knew this and aimed to strike fear not only in america but in the world, i remember when i was in Italy, my folks calling up all into the room with neighbours and others in it and we all watched replays of the event, and at the time I didn't think much what with me being only like 9, but yea i think the whole awareness and attempt to scare the world is a major reason that we both, mourn and curse terrorism and terrorist acts, IMO the memorial day is set to be a day of extreme mourning, but also a day to remind the world to unite against terrorism.

[Death Metal]

I remember going home early. Then I watched a bit of it on TV... then I went outside to play with some friends.

Yeah... didn't really care that much. Still kinda don't. =/

[NeoDemonX]

Their are many places that can be the target for terrorist. Like the Eiffel Tower, The World Biggest Malls and alot more.

[Catterjune]

[quote name='JG.' timestamp='1284226350' post='4617365']
And since more people live in Europe than in US, the official writing should be 11/9.
[/quote]
But since it happened in US, it should be written as 9/11.

Feel free to call the British train bombing 11-4 if you wish. (I think it was April 11, 2004. I'm not 100 percent sure.)

[Raiza]

[quote name='~Soulciety~' timestamp='1284281202' post='4619964']
i think mayb soemthing that contributes to its significance is the fact that its a massive result from a common everyday thing. [b]natural disasters are bad and random[/b], but the now brought about fear of flying is in many people as flying is the only form of transportation to other countries
[/quote]

This wasn't a natural disaster. It was the muslims attacking Cristians.

[Catterjune]

[quote name='Raiza' timestamp='1284323860' post='4621727']
This wasn't a natural disaster. It was the muslims attacking Cristians.
[/quote]
It wasn't Muslims attacking Christians. It was Middle Eastern Extremists attacking Westerners.

[Raiza]

[quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1284324384' post='4621757']
It wasn't Muslims attacking Christians. It was Middle Eastern Extremists attacking Westerners.
[/quote]

Same sort of thing.

It was a sad day D':

[Luna Lovegood]

[quote name='Raiza' timestamp='1284324624' post='4621773']
Same sort of thing.

It was a sad day D':
[/quote]

Actually, there is an extreme difference. It's people who think like you who cause the worlds problems.

[Cloister]

[quote name='JG.' timestamp='1284226350' post='4617365']
Imma comment here because it's so fun: 11/9 is no different from any other. And since more people live in Europe than in US, the official writing should be 11/9.
[/quote]

Really?

I have never heard someone say "Eleven nine".

The tsunami in Thailand, 200.000 dead, so yeah.

[metalflygon08]

Is it bad that at my age when it happened, I just liked watching the news all day for the explosions?