Six Samz 500 Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [img]http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/3353/264680s.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiAM Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Overpowered. Really overpowered. More OP than [b]Bottomless Trap Hole[/b] and waaaaaaaay more OP than[b] Karma Cut[/b]. Not only is it an instant remove, but it you're lucky, you get a free monster... seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six Samz 500 Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [quote name='LiAM' timestamp='1285266132' post='4648231'] Overpowered. Really overpowered. More OP than [b]Bottomless Trap Hole[/b] and waaaaaaaay more OP than[b] Karma Cut[/b]. Not only is it an instant remove, but it you're lucky, you get a free monster... seriously. [/quote] it really isnt that much better samsh or fissure and the normal bit is just to make the effect longer. and i said it before and ill say it again u need some good cards otherwise whats the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP0RE Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [quote name='yamibakura51' timestamp='1285267210' post='4648278'] it really isnt that much better samsh or fissure and the normal bit is just to make the effect longer. and i said it before and ill say it again u need some good cards otherwise whats the point. [/quote] This = Costless Dark Core + Monster Reborn for Vanillas = Op'd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 *Copy-pastes above post* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six Samz 500 Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 fine ill take the revival effect away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP0RE Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [quote name='yamibakura51' timestamp='1285268270' post='4648334'] fine ill take the revival effect away [/quote] This = Costless Trap Dark Core = Op'd! It's easier to use, with less cost! This = Less-Conditional Bottomless Trap Hole = Op'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six Samz 500 Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 you need some good cards and whats the point in constantly making mediocre cards that wouldnt get played in competitive decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP0RE Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [quote name='yamibakura51' timestamp='1285268931' post='4648374'] you need some good cards and whats the point in constantly making mediocre cards that wouldnt get played in competitive decks. [/quote] What is the point in constantly making overpowered cards that will never be made? What is the point in constantly making cards that will never be made? What is the point in constantly making cards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [quote name='Thunderpants' timestamp='1285268743' post='4648360'] This = Costless Trap Dark Core = Op'd! It's easier to use, with less cost! This = Less-Conditional Bottomless Trap Hole = Op'd [/quote] You forgot to mention faster since it is a trap and can be played during your opponent's battle phase. How about this: Pay 1000 Life Points. Remove from play 1 Monster Card your opponent controls and draw 1 card. Now it has a decent cost for what could be a game changer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP0RE Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1285269057' post='4648383'] You forgot to mention faster since it is a trap and can be played during your opponent's battle phase. How about this: Pay 1000 Life Points. Remove from play 1 Monster Card your opponent controls and draw 1 card. Now it has a decent cost for what could be a game changer. [/quote] Agreed, a lot more balanced and more original... Also Nice Duel Masters Picture, I loved those Fire birds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [quote name='yamibakura51' timestamp='1285268931' post='4648374'] you need some good cards and whats the point in constantly making mediocre cards that wouldnt get played in competitive decks. [/quote] So what are you saying exactly? That balanced cards = mediocre / bad cards? Sorry but it is overpowered for the reasons already stated. Nothing against making simple cards that can slot into any deck but this is just overpowered, which equals bad in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six Samz 500 Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1285269057' post='4648383'] You forgot to mention faster since it is a trap and can be played during your opponent's battle phase. How about this: Pay 1000 Life Points. Remove from play 1 Monster Card your opponent controls and draw 1 card. Now it has a decent cost for what could be a game changer. [/quote] thats really broken, draw 1 card aswell gives you more card advantage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP0RE Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [quote name='Matt Bahamut' timestamp='1285269371' post='4648395'] So what are you saying exactly? That balanced cards = mediocre / bad cards? Sorry but it is overpowered for the reasons already stated. Nothing against making simplecards that can slot into any deck but this is just overpowered, which equals bad in my opinion. [/quote] Amen, My exact thoughts! [quote name='yamibakura51' timestamp='1285269405' post='4648396'] thats really broken, draw 1 card aswell gives you more card advantage [/quote] At the cost of 1000 Life Points... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six Samz 500 Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [quote name='Matt Bahamut' timestamp='1285269371' post='4648395'] So what are you saying exactly? That balanced cards = mediocre / bad cards? Sorry but it is overpowered for the reasons already stated. Nothing against making simple cards that can slot into any deck but this is just overpowered, which equals bad in my opinion. [/quote] there r such things as solumn, dark bribe trap stun (trap stuns awsome) and others Cards have to have positive effects otherwise they're not competitive and its just a trap version of smash/fissure and this one targets so can be negated more easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [quote name='yamibakura51' timestamp='1285269405' post='4648396'] thats really broken, draw 1 card aswell gives you more card advantage [/quote] And removing any monster you want from play with no cost isn't? But aside from that you gain 1 card by losing 1 card (this card) and pay 1000 for a remove from play. Plus, IMO paying 1000 LP is a greater cost than Dark Core's discard 1 card because discarding can easily be advantageous whereas paying LP very rarely is. It balances out well and it gives you the opportunity to mount a comeback without meaning certain victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [quote name='yamibakura51' timestamp='1285269706' post='4648410'] there r such things as solumn, dark bribe trap stun (trap stuns awsome) and others Cards have to have positive effects otherwise they're not competitive and its just a trap version of smash/fissure and this one targets so can be negated more easily. [/quote] Yes, those cards all have positive effects, but for solumn, you lose half your life points and for dark bribe you get a -1 since your opponent draws a card. Cards need good effects and costs to balance them. Also, this isn't the same as smash/fissure, for one, you can activate it during your opponent's turn, two, you remove the opponents monster from play, three, you get to choose the monster, smash and fissure pick the monster for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six Samz 500 Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [quote name='Metagross386' timestamp='1285269888' post='4648423'] Also, this isn't the same as smash/fissure, for one, you can activate it during your opponent's turn, two, you remove the opponents monster from play, three, you get to choose the monster, smash and fissure pick the monster for you. [/quote] thats my point it targets which is easier to negate and its a trap which is also easier to negate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP0RE Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [quote name='yamibakura51' timestamp='1285270758' post='4648487'] thats my point it targets which is easier to negate and its a trap which is also easier to negate [/quote] Smashing, and fissure target as well! Just you don't pick the target. IDK Change this to, "Remove from play 1 card from each side of the field. If you cannot take 1000 damage." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six Samz 500 Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [quote name='Thunderpants' timestamp='1285270884' post='4648497'] Smashing, and fissure target as well! Just you don't pick the target. IDK Change this to, "Remove from play 1 card from each side of the field. If you cannot take 1000 damage." [/quote] god if you think smash and fissure target you really dont know what your talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [quote name='Thunderpants' timestamp='1285270884' post='4648497'] Smashing, and fissure target as well! Just you don't pick the target. IDK Change this to, "Remove from play 1 card from each side of the field. If you cannot take 1000 damage." [/quote] yamibakura's right, they don't target because of what you specifically said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP0RE Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [quote name='yamibakura51' timestamp='1285271072' post='4648512'] god if you think smash and fissure target you really dont know what your talking about [/quote] I find that highly offensive.... I was not aware of the ruling, that they did not target. I also wasn't aware that people using no Grammar or even capitalisation were allowed to insult other members... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 ALL STUPID PEOPLE GTFO! This card is stupid horrible over-powered +0 that should never be played and demonstrates poor thought process and lack of creativity on the part of the creator. FTW, your revision has turned a stupid horrible over-powered +0 into a stupid horrible over-powered +1. The 1000 Life Points is more than compensated for by the draw. Paying Life Points is almost [i]always[/i] better than discarding. Traps are slower than Spells. Let's clear that up. Spells are considered faster/better because they can be played immediately. Fissure and Smashing do not target, have never targeted, and will never target. And now, my recommendation. There are, to be sure, plenty of ways to go about doing this, but here's my own idea. "Remove from play 1 monster you control and 1 monster your opponent controls. During your next Standby Phase, your monster is returned to the owner's side of the field." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six Samz 500 Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 [quote name='Thunderpants' timestamp='1285271384' post='4648529'] I find that highly offensive.... I was not aware of the ruling, that they did not target. I also wasn't aware that people using no Grammar or even capitalisation were allowed to insult other members... [/quote] Wow do I care if I needed to use some grammer I would OK. Hey I used some grammer.[quote name='Dr. Cakey' timestamp='1285271508' post='4648537'] ALL STUPID PEOPLE GTFO! This card is stupid horrible over-powered +0 that should never be played and demonstrates poor thought process and lack of creativity on the part of the creator. FTW, your revision has turned a stupid horrible over-powered +0 into a stupid horrible over-powered +1. The 1000 Life Points is more than compensated for by the draw. Paying Life Points is almost [i]always[/i] better than discarding. Traps are slower than Spells. Let's clear that up. Spells are considered faster/better because they can be played immediately. Fissure and Smashing do not target, have never targeted, and will never target. And now, my recommendation. There are, to be sure, plenty of ways to go about doing this, but here's my own idea. "Remove from play 1 monster you control and 1 monster your opponent controls. During your next Standby Phase, your monster is returned to the owner's side of the field." [/quote] Its a basic quick card thats good end of. Not that broken, and if you think it is have a look at Dark Hole. Hey more grammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP0RE Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 I've managed to get someone to use correct Grammar... Well spelling is something I won't bother with... My work here is done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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