TCG Rules discussion topic (Last updated March 8, 2011)

[Legend Zero]

Most TCG forums have a special section for what TCG is becoming and have sections for lots of other things. By limiting what we can actually do on YCM you are pushing members away to other sites.

The TCG Section could have nice things if they weren't idiots who have to flaunt their imaginary egos. There wouldn't be a problem with Banlist threads and other things if people would take them seriously, instead of forcing opinions on others with subpar insults. If having rules pushes people away from the forum, then I'm pretty sure we don't want these people on at all. The mods are not YCMaker, we don't get paid based on the activity here.

 

Act mature and there would be no problem.

[Guest Welche]

Well in my opinion if we maybe had a place to discuss more aspects of the game than just a deck or a card then we would attract more members making it harder for a single persons ego to take over a thread. Instead people only come to YCM for the card maker, which doesn't even get updated anymore, and they are generally not that good at the game.

[Legend Zero]

The problem with that is when has a single person's ego derailed a thread? Almost never. Its the 'groups'/'cliques' that destroy threads.

[Yankee]

IMHO: Ban list threads are fine.

They promote discussion and thought.

[Guest Welche]

That never happens from what I've seen on sites with more members and a wider variety of content.

[Legend Zero]

So what you're saying is that others sites have wider discussions, more members, and don't come with the regular idiocy of CCers? All this and you still come here why? I'm honestly curious.

 

I can only imagine it is because you enjoy derailing threads, however, I could be completely off base. I'm just confused as to why you try to better this section, yet your 'group' is one of the leading groups in ruining threads.

 

Ex. http://forum.yugiohc...-beach-playmat/

[evilfusion]

Hypothetical banlist topics are pointless and annoying. However, I do like when there is a banlist topic that discusses a leaked or official list, although a number of banlists tend to be fake before the official one is found/confirmed. I like sharing and hearing the opinions of people on RELEVENT changes to the format. Obviously, quite a few of the topics tend to scream "ban this card" when not only would a limit be sufficient, but the Deck isn't even good enough to get list attention.

 

In the past, banlist topics were allowed within a few weeks of the format change, where we could discuss what we think/want/is getting banned/changed. However, these topics should be limited to one single topic (with maybe the official list when confirmed taking its place afterwards).

[Guest - Sharpshooter -]

The problem with that is when has a single person's ego derailed a thread? Almost never. Its the 'groups'/'cliques' that destroy threads.

 

I agree with this. Without naming names, it's like the same 4-5 people every time that go ahead and act overly obnoxious for no reason in tons of threads "just because". Humor is always funny every once in a while, but people don't seem to know limits which hurts the section overall.

 

IMHO: Ban list threads are fine.

They promote discussion and thought.

 

This. It's different than just discussing Card A and Card B, and can actually come up with intelligent conversation if people don't act like idiots.

 

That never happens from what I've seen on sites with more members and a wider variety of content.

 

Yeah, but look at that same group of people that think they're so great at the game and know everything, and decide to impose that upon other players. When people are made to feel like they're "below" certain members, and every 2/3 threads is filled with spam, they're going to feel less inclined to post. So the same thing you're complaining about is actually pushing members away.

 

Hypothetical banlist topics are pointless and annoying. However, I do like when there is a banlist topic that discusses a leaked or official list, although a number of banlists tend to be fake before the official one is found/confirmed. I like sharing and hearing the opinions of people on RELEVENT changes to the format. Obviously, quite a few of the topics tend to scream "ban this card" when not only would a limit be sufficient, but the Deck isn't even good enough to get list attention.

 

In the past, banlist topics were allowed within a few weeks of the format change, where we could discuss what we think/want/is getting banned/changed. However, these topics should be limited to one single topic (with maybe the official list when confirmed taking its place afterwards).

 

I think we should have two threads; one Banlist Speculation Thread, and once the list is confirmed, an Official March 2012 Banlist Thread, etc. It's simple, allows for the discussion, keeps it in one thread where ego may still exist, but it's not "one person's list" being discussed and causing arguments.

[Guest Welche]

All I'm saying is that for a section called "Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG" with a description telling us to post anything related to the TCG, we really aren't allowed to post s***.

[Guest - Sharpshooter -]

All I'm saying is that for a section called "Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG" with a description telling us to post anything related to the TCG, we really aren't allowed to post s***.

 

This is true, and I do think there's a sense of strictness that might be overkill, but at the same time, I don't think Pika's doing it for no reason. People act like idiots and spam and make all the topics look stupid, turning them into nothing more than an ego-fest, and you can kind of understand why she takes measures like that sometimes.

 

It's not like Pojo where there's plenty of sections for every aspect of the TCG, etc.

[evilfusion]

All I'm saying is that for a section called "Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG" with a description telling us to post anything related to the TCG, we really aren't allowed to post s***.

 

It depends on how broadly you define "related to the TCG".

 

Banlist speculation is related to the TCG, but barely. Almost any list created by a YCM member will be terrible purely because it's biased beyond belief. Even if the logic behind the changes is solid, half the changes are overkill because it assumes ALL the cards mentioned will get hit in exactly that way, which has never happened.

 

Example, LSS- Shi En. That card's banworthy. But in last format's discussion, I said they'd limit it. Konami almost never bans a card the format after it was printed, and they're always FAR more likely to limit one or two of the offenders, and if that doesn't curb the Deck, things get hit harder. We know how banlists tend to operate based on pattern. Infernity was broken as hell post-TSHD, and people were saying they'd ban Launcher and limit Archfiend and Limit Necromancer and stuff like that. They limited Launcher, and the Deck struggles to compete now. Everyone's suggestions were overkill, and biased on the notion that the Deck was so unstoppable everything that made it up had to be killed immediately to give anyone else a chance.

 

Topics in this section do tend to be elitist and spammy. Some people are too unforgiving of mistakes, and other people are borderline trolls who act obnoxious and/or rude simply because they're right and/or think they're right.

 

I dont think banlist topics themselves are contributing to the problem, though. There was a rule that you can't make banlist topics until closer to a format change. That helped because dumb(er) banlist topics only surface once or twice a year, instead of all the time.

[Guest Welche]

For example a discussion on a new cool TCG strategy would be related to TCG, but if I wanted to post this cool new strategy it would need to be under the guise of a single card, even though we all know that topic is not about said card. In the end it will seem as if the topic was derailed, but it just became what the TC wanted it to be.

 

Another example would be a discussion on Volcanics for instance. I've made awesome massive articles about Volcanics which YCM would be graced to see, but these break the one card per topic rule so technically once again I need to post it under the guise of a single card even though we all know it wouldn't be about that.

 

Banlist speculation is even more TCG related than most topics because it is relevant to TCG results and such. In a TCG section why should we be allowed to discuss cards from the japanese manga while be unable to speculate on the banlist which will affect the entire next format. It just seems illogical to me.

[Guest Welche]

Ah.

[evilfusion]

For example a discussion on a new cool TCG strategy would be related to TCG, but if I wanted to post this cool new strategy it would need to be under the guise of a single card, even though we all know that topic is not about said card. In the end it will seem as if the topic was derailed, but it just became what the TC wanted it to be.

 

Another example would be a discussion on Volcanics for instance. I've made awesome massive articles about Volcanics which YCM would be graced to see, but these break the one card per topic rule so technically once again I need to post it under the guise of a single card even though we all know it wouldn't be about that.

 

Banlist speculation is even more TCG related than most topics because it is relevant to TCG results and such. In a TCG section why should we be allowed to discuss cards from the japanese manga while be unable to speculate on the banlist which will affect the entire next format. It just seems illogical to me.

 

I thought you WERE allowed to discuss archetypes, but not 2+ cards that have nothing to do with each other.

 

I'm going to just throw this out there, because it's how I try to moderate a section, even though I'm sure not every other mod follows the idea.

 

It's not always what you're doing, it's how you're doing it.

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

I'd be all for a banlist topic.

But I've seen them get ruined time and time again, so now I say no.

[Guest Welche]

So what about new products for the TCG? Would it be appropriate for example to post a topic about how Galactic Overlord is confirmed as a sequel to Phantom Darkness allowing for speculation on what kind of cards it will feature?

[Guest Mu-12]

Speculation topics proved to not work here on YCM.

 

There's a MTG forum which has a whole section dedicated to Rumors. It has been working well.

 

But it's a different memberbase, so I'm not sure if that would work here.

 

...besides, we need YCMaker to make a new forum, so yeah, never happening.

[evilfusion]

So what about new products for the TCG? Would it be appropriate for example to post a topic about how Galactic Overlord is confirmed as a sequel to Phantom Darkness allowing for speculation on what kind of cards it will feature?

 

Going to go with "that's a terrible idea".

 

Speculation on unreleased Sets...it's too broad, it can't possibly lead us anywhere relevent, and it'll easily be derailed because it'd be weeks or months before we'd know anything remotely true, and 90% of a Set's contents have things we'd never have thought of, new archetype concepts or support, and anime-related cards for episodes that haven't been released yet.

[Guest Welche]

‎"Exploding onto the scene in May are three product releases. First, releasing on May 8th is the mighty 100-card booster set Galactic Overlord, which is the spiritual successor to 2008’s best-selling Phantom Darkness, the set that took everyday monsters and corrupted them into powerful DARK versions of their former selves. In Galactic Overlord, some of the most popular monsters in Dueling are reborn as “Lightray” monsters."

 

I think we have enough info to actually discuss some things.

[Guest Mu-12]

But Welche, it gets derailed too easily...

[evilfusion]

I'd ordinarily ask, but that would derail the conversation too much.

 

I've got absolutely nothing from that info to discuss, though. "Lightray" hasn't even been confirmed on the OCG Set (to my knowledge). So, any speculation is purely speculation and much of it probably becomes outlandish speculation.

 

Speculation on cards that'll get banned or limited in a month, however, would be far more reasonable speculation because it has a basis on the TCG and OCG meta, and not just exceptionally vague product "trailers".

[Guest Hatcher]

I think legit banlist discussions should be allowed. What I mean is, say the March '12 list is revealed, someone posts a topic, and that becomes the Official Banlist Topic and any discussion regarding it has to be kept there.

I'm fine with 'news announcement' type stuff, as it typically tends to have a general flow of conversation.

 

"OH HEY GUYS! They're making an Arcana Force structure deck!"

 

Logically, the remainder of the topic will be on about Arcana Forces and the like. Banlist news announcements... skeptical, but I suppose it's fine.

 

Rumour mill... not so fine. As I said somewhere else a long time ago, if all you know is that Protagonist uses Plot Device Dragon next episode (according to the upcoming previews) there's no sense in discussing it if all you know is the name, and next to nothing about effect, stats, level, and the like.

 

Also, I do agree that the playmat topics should be legal.

 

Playmat topics? Why?

 

"That playmat looks nice"

"That playmat does not look nice"

 

The end. This section is dedicated to TCG Discussion, not wanking off to pretty pictures. Go to showcase if you need your fix.

 

Well in my opinion if we maybe had a place to discuss more aspects of the game than just a deck or a card then we would attract more members making it harder for a single persons ego to take over a thread.

What aspects of the game would you like to see a discussion on? Remember, I said 'discussion'. Not +1 post counting.

 

*doesn't bother to read the fifth page* =D

[Guest Hatcher]

No one answered my questions. ;_;

 

*reads fifth page*

 

I agree with this. Without naming names, it's like the same 4-5 people every time that go ahead and act overly obnoxious for no reason in tons of threads "just because". Humor is always funny every once in a while, but people don't seem to know limits which hurts the section overall.

This pretty much sums up exactly how I feel about the section. I don't mean to come as some Nazi with a stick up there, and I'm fine with the occassional jokes here and there but when every single thread, every single time, gets derailed by the exact same people in the exact same way it gets harder and harder to justify keeping them around.

 

All I'm saying is that for a section called "Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG" with a description telling us to post anything related to the TCG, we really aren't allowed to post s***.

In my head it was always about 'discussing' TCG stuff. And what constitutes a discussion is entirely left up to the person in charge to decide. In my opinion, if it's +1 post counting or something horribly off topic that isn't even tangentially about the card in question I consider it spam.

 

I think I'm pretty lenient on that regard, in that I let long and completely off-topic posts get by as long as they include even the smallest bit of discussion on the card ('on-topic: It's good. I main it in my [archetype] deck') Feel free to abuse that small bit of leniency if you want it taken away though.

 

Would it be appropriate for example to post a topic about how Galactic Overlord is confirmed as a sequel to Phantom Darkness allowing for speculation on what kind of cards it will feature?

Speculation is mostly frowned upon, because that's not a discussion. No discussion can be had if every single side is equally valid. "I think Lightray Sorcerer will be super broken" "I think Lightray Sorcerer will not be super broken." "I think Lightray Sorcerer will be just-the-right-amount of broken." Either of those three could be correct, and none of the positions are arguable as there are no details on what Sorcerer does. (Assuming that we didn't know Lightray Sorcerer.)

[Guest Welche]

Everyone in TCG has given up on getting anything new into this section which is why no one answers.

[Guest Hatcher]

New rules.

 

[spoiler=spoiler]Follow the rules of the site.

 

If for some reason, you seriously haven't stumbled across them, they're: right here

 

All those rules still somehow apply to this section for some reason, and if you really don't feel like getting into the specifics, they are (at the time of this writing):

 

Rule 1: Staff have final say

Rule 2: No inappropriate content

Rule 3: No illegal content

Rule 4: No plagiarism

Rule 5: No spamming

Rule 6: No trolling

Rule 7: No account or feature abuse

 

 

As for section specific rules:

 

Stuff that is the most preferred way of posting

 

If it is a card discussion topic, English card name in title

• Basically, make it really obvious what the discussion is about.
  

One card (or series, or archetype, or combo of cards) per discussion topic.

• Rather self explanatory. Broken down slightly further in later on rules so do keep an eye on this one.
  

Post intelligent and worthwhile content

• Sorry but what is 'intelligent and worthwhile' is typically left up to the moderator of this section (and only the moderator of this section. ;D) to decide. If you have to stop and wonder about it, it's most likely not allowed. Feel free to send a PM though.
  

Stuff that is not allowed and will probably get your warn level increased:

 

Best/Worst/Most card topics

• Basically, anything that is just a prompt for users to list off cards they like. And I obviously don't mean JUST cards. Best/Worst/Most Archetype falls in this as well.
  

Spam and Off-Topic stuff

• Keep your discussion limited to the card is being discussed and what other people say about the card. If some guy posts some unrelated, feel free/encouraged to report it, but don't think that just because one guy posted something off-topic its suddenly okay.
  

Discussing only the artwork of a card

• Please note the emphasis on 'only'. You can go ahead and say Dark Magician Girl is pretty or Chaos Sorcerer has awesome art, but if that's the entireity of your post you're getting a warn increase.
  

Necrobumping an old topic

• What constitutes 'necrobumping' is up to the moderator to decide, and I don't want to throw some arbitrary line in the sand, so just use your better judgment for this.
  

Posting repeats of cards we've already discussed recently

• "But I'm a new user and I don't know if this card was discussed recently!" Then don't post a topic. What counts as 'recent' is again, up to moderator's discretion
  

Stuff that is allowed but will be treated with more scrutiny or be revoked if it abused profusely by the members of YCM:

 

A ridiculously long winded and irrelevant sentence in the title, but that still has the card's name in the title.

• It is most preferential the card's name me in brackets and at the end if this is done.
  

A ridiculously long winded and irrelevant story in the body/Absolutely nothing in the body of a topic

• As long as the rest of the topic is on-topic to some degree this is fine. Though feel free to test my patience on this one if you really want it revoked.
  

Discussion of vanillas

• It's a bit of a toss up but if after looking over your discussion you realize you described 2 or more cards it's most likely not allowed. If you must discuss Vanillas, feel free to emphasize why they stand out over other vanillas.
  

Best/Worst/Most out of a given choice.

• Also a bit cloudy, but a well informed and educated topic discussing the merits between Caius and Raiza or between two deck types could be good if done right. If you just want to conduct a poll, there's a specific section for that.
  

Tournament Reports and other duel coverage

• Just avoid having it devolve into a circlejerk and you'll be fine.
  

Guides

• Rather reluctant to allow this, as I'd expect most of the posts to just be 'Good Guide' 'Bad Guide' 'Average Guide' or anything in between and nothing else. However, showing appreciation shouldn't be a bannable infraction. Just use your head for this one and don't ruin it for everyone else by getting Guides banned.
  

News

• Whether it be news on a new banlist, a new deck, a new set, it's okay as long as it doesn't get too out of control with +1 Post Counting
  

A discussion on playing the game in any way other then how it was intended to be played

• Really rather trepidatious about this one but hey, why not? I could always just reverse my stance on this a week from now. This covers hypothetical banlists, hypothetical cards (and also anime/manga/videogame only cards), hypothetical BOLD AND CREATIVE! new rules, and probably other things I'm too drunk to think of right now. However, the topic creator must be the one to fully submit everything in this topic. No "help me make a banlist" topics or other stupid crap like that.
  

Please note: When creating a 'Hypothetical' topic, add some sort of tag to the title to show that you are not talking about the game proper.

 

 

 

A reminder about respect:

 

Its not really a secret that the TCG section is one of the most belligerent sections on the board. After looking through plenty of topics I feel it really does need to be addressed: Show respect to your fellow YCMers. The TCG forum isn't given a free pass to behave like bastards to one another; picking on other members with troll/flame posts and then making a total mess out of every single thread. Agree, disagree, debate, and discuss. Keep outside thoughts and opinions to yourself.

 

Please keep one word in mind before posting, and you should be fine: RESPECT.

 

 

 

Questions, Comments, Concerns, please feel free to PM your friendly neighborhood TCG mod: Hatcher

 

Furthermore, if you feel there is anything that is unclear here or needs further specification, feel free to ask it in: this topic

 

 

url: http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/forum-8/announcement-39-rules-for-tcg-last-updated-february-27th-2012/