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[Master White]

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[b]Lore[/b]
[i]This card cannot declare an attack except by returning 2 cards you control to your Deck. Then Shuffle your deck.[/i][/color]

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[-Olympiakos-]

I like the card overall. cool effect so its not overpowered. nice job man. why does it say tuner though? Lol

[Blake]

No.

ATK is too high, even with the effect. The effect just bounces 2 cards to your deck. not a huge price.

Cards like this are, honestly, obsolete modern day. There are other Level 4 tuners, and this card just would not make it. With 2500 ATK, you might wanna check Giant Kozaky and Armor Exe.

[Master White]

@Above poster: First, Giant Kozaky Konami made card. Second, it more overpowered then my card, b/c you can switch it at the last minute with a card you have and it inflicts its controller, which would be the opponent.

Second, this card is beased of Panther warrior, if you haven't heard of it, go LOOK it up, I meant to bring back older cards with their effects in a newer form, as you can see. So, this card in essence isn't to high because luster dragon 2 is stars with 1 tribute and this card requires 2 cards a turn to attack, in essence they are being returned to the deck, but at least you still have an attack as def, which is the way I normally play. Forth, the cards you mentioned are not tuner monsters, so how does that effect tuners if you can't back it up with tuners, now who's next, I'll be waiting.

Besides, if its obsolete, doesn't that make it underpowered?

And why did you say no, is that your way of mini-modding, b/c you can post here, its our opinions, not somone to say, no, its not allowed, get out now type deal, only a mod would say that.

[Blake]

... That was my point! Giant Kozaky is real! And it requires a KOZAKY on the field, or it explodes. How is that more overpowered? And, no, you cannot switch it at the last moment. The moment it is on the field without Kozaky, it explodes and deals damage.

Uh, derp. I know the card it's based on. I also know Panther Warrior and his kind are HORRIBLY outdated and worthless. Monsters like Gene-Warped Warwolf cover Panther Warrior. Even the Goblin Forces are better than Panther Warrior.

This card is HORRID. It's ATK is too high. You can't compare a 1 Tribute Vanilla to this card, and then say this card is justified becase it BOUNCES monsters to the deck. Do you realize how easy Special Summoning is, modern day? Not that this card is useful, even with that. Oh, and guess what? Yo u said 2 [b]CARDS[/b]. So, you can set 2 cards and attack with this card. But, considering that's like an already existing Mist Falcon, I'm going to assume you meant MONSTERS, because you somehow see tributing 1 monster as equal to bouncing 2 cards.

... This card is a huge Lv. 4 Tuner Wall. My point was OTHER Huge ATK Level 4's have, that are not tuners, are much morel imited than this, and Level 4 Tuners are very limited.

ATK as Defense? NO ONE'S EVER THOUGHT OF THAT! Seriously, though, just leaving this card on the field, in ATK position is worthless. It's a stall. Oh, and as a Level 4 Tuner with that much power, it's kinda stupid. Oh, and Panther warrior has low DEF. You can't jack a card up on high ATK [b]and[/b] DEF. One or the other. This card has stats of a Level 6-7 monster, with a horrible drawback. IT DOES NOT WORK.

You made [b]3[/b] points, then said [b]forth[/b] which is a misspelling of the word [b]fourth[/b].

Also, this card would be worthless in a duel. No one would run it. Why? It's much too slow, even WITH all the Special Summoning.

Oh, and improve your grammar, it hurts my eyes trying to decifer what you are typing.

Now, stop blindly defending it, and listen to reason.

I said it's a horrid card, not OVERPOWERED. But, if you HONESTLY meant Cards and not Monsters, it is WAY OP.

I said no because it's a bad card. I'm not mini modding at all by saying that. So, you can kindly shut yer yap, and not be so smart, as I did nothing against the rules. I did not tell you to leave, I just said "No." drop by TCG once in a while. "No." is the response horrible cards get. Also, I've been here longer, I'm pretty sure I know the rules better.

[Master White]

Wow, you are more worthy of an opponent then thought of, but still, you are doing one great mistake, you are speaking to a person that has proffesional english classes in College and I prefer not to write as good as others because of lazyiness. Secondly, I said this a million to one times, this a forum where many can join, so why care about english when half of the others can't even speak it, yet they are demanded to type it as well as they can or they get critisized for it? I do not understand your problem with that, as to me that would be hard if I joined a japanese forum and had to speak it as well as I possibly can, which is plain B*llsh*t. Oh, why do you care about spelling within the post, its the card that actually matters, isn't?

There are plenty of quicklplay spells that allow you to switch a monster in battle, like creature swap, witch would make Giant Kozaky op'd. And Yes, I meant 2 cards you control, not just monsters, as because of the fact that it would need to be op'd to exist in this game now on.

ATK as DEF, yes, i have and won many games, I run a stall deck, so they are not worthless, unless you run a stall deck too, don't call it worthless.

And who cares if it is stronger than the Panther Warrior, Which is 2000 ATK AND DEF, this is his pet, I'm sure if I trained a dragon, it would be stronger than me, so think about it.

Finally, Reasoning is not what your idea is, Reasoning would be to go make a card that already exists and make it less powerful, as I explained, i need to make this card powerful, but useful enough to work in 5d's, or its not a realistic card.

Realistic card = Overpowered card.

Now that you have managed to waste my time furthermore, I have to go and I'll expect to see an illeteriate post from you again.

[Blake]

Laziness? Prove it. Clean up your typing, or I don';t believe it. Laziness is not an excuse. guess what? This is an ENGLISH forum. People speak ENGLISH. There are Japanese forums where they speak JAPANESE. Why do I care? Because I don't like wasting brain cells on people's 'laziness'.

... Creature Swap is NOT a Quickplay spell >_>

No, it does not. If I did not know better, you were one of Max Darkness' "Students". OPd means it's OVER done, go figyre. Realistic cards are not. So, basically, "I send my 2 set cards to the deck, and attack, then activate Pot of Avarice, return 5 monsters, and draw two more. Yay." Falcon would like a word with you.

... I was being facetious. ATK has always been Defense. ESPECIALLY at the very beginning.

... Dude, did you just apply logic to a Children's card game... where a FROG can beat a HUGE DRAGON? Seriously? No. This card is too much. You can't defend it. It is a very bad card.

Realistic =/= Overpowered. It is easy to make a balanced, yet realistic, card.

Illetteriate? Wow, you misspelled illiterate...
[spoiler=Oh, amd I'm illiterate? REALLY? See the bold][quote name='General White' timestamp='1286000158' post='4672751']
Wow, you are more worthy of an opponent then thought of, but still, you are doing one great mistake, you are speaking to a person that has [b]proffesional english[/b] classes in College and I prefer not to write as good as others because of l[b]azyiness[/b]. Secondly, I said this a million to one times, this a forum where many can join, so why care about [b]english[/b] when half of the others can't even speak it, yet they are demanded to type it as well as they can or they get [b]critisized[/b] for it? I do not understand your problem with that, as to me that would be hard if I joined a [b]japanese[/b] forum and had to speak it as well as I possibly can, which is plain B*llsh*t. Oh, why do you care about spelling within the post, its the card that actually matters, isn't?

There are plenty of quicklplay spells that allow you to switch a monster in battle, like creature swap, witch would make Giant Kozaky op'd. And Yes, I meant 2 cards you control, not just monsters, as because of the fact that it would need to be op'd to exist in this game now on.

ATK as DEF, yes, i have and won many games, I run a stall deck, so they are not worthless, unless you run a stall deck too, don't call it worthless.

And who cares if it is stronger than the Panther Warrior, Which is 2000 ATK AND DEF, this is his pet, I'm sure if I trained a dragon, it would be stronger than me, so think about it.

Finally, Reasoning is not what your idea is, Reasoning would be to go make a card that already exists and make it less powerful, as I explained, i need to make this card powerful, but useful enough to work in 5d's, or its not a realistic card.

Realistic card = Overpowered card.

Now that you have managed to waste my time furthermore, I have to go and I'll expect to see an [b]illeteriate[/b] post from you again.
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I'm not wasting your time, I'm telling you what's wrong with it, and you are turning your nose up at me. You want a GOOD card maker as an example? J-Max. Makes nice, balanced, not OPd cards. Ask HIM for help sometime.

[Yankee]

[quote name='General White' timestamp='1286000158' post='4672751']
Wow, you are more worthy of an opponent then thought of, but still, you are doing one great mistake, you are speaking to a person that has proffesional english classes in College and I prefer not to write as good as others because of lazyiness. Secondly, I said this a million to one times, this a forum where many can join, so why care about english when half of the others can't even speak it, yet they are demanded to type it as well as they can or they get critisized for it? I do not understand your problem with that, as to me that would be hard if I joined a japanese forum and had to speak it as well as I possibly can, which is plain B*llsh*t. Oh, why do you care about spelling within the post, its the card that actually matters, isn't?

[b]Kay?[/b]

There are plenty of quicklplay spells that allow you to switch a monster in battle, like creature swap, witch would make Giant Kozaky op'd. And Yes, I meant 2 cards you control, not just monsters, as because of the fact that it would need to be op'd to exist in this game now on.

[b]Yes, Giant Kozaky + another card = powerful. This card by itself = powerful. Hmmm...[/b]

ATK as DEF, yes, i have and won many games, I run a stall deck, so they are not worthless, unless you run a stall deck too, don't call it worthless.

[b]He wasn't calling stall decks worthless, it's just the style of stall this card would be that is worthless.[/b]

And who cares if it is stronger than the Panther Warrior, Which is 2000 ATK AND DEF, this is his pet, I'm sure if I trained a dragon, it would be stronger than me, so think about it.

[b]Ya...But I doubt that pet would reach 2500 ATK and stay as a LV 4.[/b]

Finally, Reasoning is not what your idea is, Reasoning would be to go make a card that already exists and make it less powerful, as I explained, i need to make this card powerful, but useful enough to work in 5d's, or its not a realistic card.

[b]Kay?[/b]

Realistic card = Overpowered card.

[b]Judgment Dragon.[/b]

Now that you have managed to waste my time furthermore, I have to go and I'll expect to see an illeteriate post from you again.

[b]Or from me, right? Oh, wait...I'm not "illeteriate". Idk what that is tbh.[/b]

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Cheers.

[BulletMan]

Hows about it can't inflict any battle damage to a player? That should do it.

Otherwise it's a fine.

Also, IDK about Tuner...Maybe even lower its DEF to low ammounts, like 0.

[Nexev]

That means you can't read.

[quote name='General White' timestamp='1286000158' post='4672751']
Wow, you are more worthy of an opponent then thought of, but still, you are doing one great mistake, you are speaking to a person that has proffesional english classes in College and I prefer not to write as good as others because of lazyiness. Secondly, I said this a million to one times, this a forum where many can join, so why care about english when half of the others can't even speak it, yet they are demanded to type it as well as they can or they get critisized for it? I do not understand your problem with that, as to me that would be hard if I joined a japanese forum and had to speak it as well as I possibly can, which is plain B*llsh*t. Oh, why do you care about spelling within the post, its the card that actually matters, isn't? [/quote]

Mind sharing with the class why your college classes somehow give you immunity for making a dumb mistake?

That just makes the mistake even dumber as you should know better.

[Ice.]

BWAHAHAHAHAH.

This card made my day. Honestly.

"LOL, LET ME MAKE AN OVERPOWERED CARD AND CALL IT BALANCED. PEOPLE HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THEN ME? THEY ARE ILLITERATE."


The card is OP'd. You can summon this card and, of course, attack with it. OR you can stall for a turn and summon a gigantic Synchro. Honestly, learn to balance cards.

[Clair]

I read the effect wrong at first. This card is still OP'd as before, since you can just Summon it with no cost whatsoever and have it wall your Life. Who needs to attack? ._.

EDIT - Ohmigod, you made it a Tuner. Holy s***.

[iCherry]

I'm not about to repeat what's been said seven times, but this REALLY made me pissed:

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Finally, Reasoning is not what your idea is, Reasoning would be to go make a card that already exists and make it less powerful, as I explained, i need to make this card powerful, but useful enough to work in 5d's, or its not a realistic card.

Realistic card = Overpowered card.
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5D's uses card with different effects called Anime Effects. If you think that a Realistic Card is supposed to be overpowered because it has to work in an anime, then you're a bad card maker.

The card is bad.
Stop defending it. >_>

[Master White]

Tainted Black:

Within the spoiler are bolded words which are incorrect words, fragments, misspellings, or capitalization errors. Within the spoiler are my answers to those statements. At least this proves I am not the only one with some simple mistakes, so if you are going to comment on grammar, make sure you know proper grammar as well.

[Spoiler=Stuff]

[quote Tainted Black]

[b]Laziness? –Fragment.[/b] Prove it. Clean up your typing, or I [b]don';t[/b] believe it. Laziness is not an excuse. [b]guess what?[/b] This is an ENGLISH forum. People speak ENGLISH. There are Japanese forums where they speak JAPANESE. Why do I care? [b]Because I don't like wasting brain cells on people's 'laziness'. A fragment once again, I’m getting tired of those. [/b]

[i][b]Go to a Japanese Forum. I dare you to stay there for more then a year. Oh, also, this will be the last irrelevant post about the card. Oh, and you care, no you do not or you would stop wasting time speaking about it grammar in a children’s card game. You think that the 5 year olds on here would have any idea or clue in what we are talking about? [/b][/i]


No, it does not. If I did not know better, you were one of Max Darkness' "Students". OPd means it's [b]OVER[/b] done, go [b]figyre.[/b] Realistic cards are not. So, basically, "I send my 2 set cards to the deck, and attack, then activate Pot of Avarice, return 5 monsters, and draw two more. [b]Yay."[/b] Falcon would like a word with you.

[i][b] Op’d means Over Powered, not over done. Realistic cards are overly powered by million to 1 in most cases. Sure, the ban list helps, but they are still over powered. [/i][/b]

Dragon Knight Draco-Equiste
Stardust Dragon
Cyber End Dragon
Ancient Gear Golem
Judgment Dragon-Banned For Reason
Many, Many more…

Dude, did you just apply logic to a Children's card game... where a [b]FROG[/b] can beat a [b]HUGE DRAGON?[/b] [b]Seriously?[/b] No. This card is too much. You can't defend it. It is a very bad card.

I wasn’t trying to defend the card itself, you were saying that it was obsolete, which ticked me off as well as trying to say I do not have proper grammar. Again, this is a children’s card game, and it is getting to the point where MTG cards are nowadays. [/quote]
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Ice:

I wasn’t trying to make the point you have ignorantly pointed out. I was making a logically based opinion that Konami is making so many overpowered cards nowadays, why shouldn’t we make realistic overpowered cards our selves?

Yankee:

I am not sure if you were helping or just obliging the statements or something, but I’m not sure what you were trying to do?

Nervert:

I can to read, way passed any of you all will ever be able to do. Also, like I said, I’m in a Professional English Class, and simple mistakes are simple mistakes, nothing more. Also, this has nothing to deal with the card itself.

Clair:

I thank you for not talking about grammar and yes, I know the card is still over powered, as I want it to be because of reasons already stated.

~Cherry~

Again, I have to say I’m not defending it as I am just stating simple logical facts that it has to be overpowered to work with any deck nowadays. All cards that I would have thought been banned, are not. What does anime got to do with anything?

Yes, its bad, but I’m not defending it as much as if I was defending myself.

Anyone: Whoever posts again about grammar will be reported because it has nothing to absolutely do with the card and it will be considered spam.

X-L Bandit Keith: Yea, that would probably help,but most of them are figuring that this card would still be obsolete, which it wouldn't be for variuos reasons.

Now, finally, all that has been clarified, will some moderator lock this post please, and thank you.

[Blake]

[quote name='General White' timestamp='1286049723' post='4674078']
Tainted Black:

Within the spoiler are bolded words which are incorrect words, fragments, misspellings, or capitalization errors. Within the spoiler are my answers to those statements. At least this proves I am not the only one with some simple mistakes, so if you are going to comment on grammar, make sure you know proper grammar as well.

[Spoiler=Stuff]


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Laziness was adressing your claim. It was a question.

Did I say I always talk in complete sentences? Learn to use your head. This is a Forum, Derp. Also, OMG I missed the shift key ONCE. At least I can type normally. Again, OMG! I hit Y instead of U although they are RIGHT next to one another.

For OP, I know it means Overpowered, and half-wit does. I was saying it means that you did too much to the freakin' card, which you did.

The card IS obsolete and worthless.

Not ALL CARDS are OPd. lrn2yugimanz.

BTW, "Way [b]Passed[/b] any of you" is a clear example of you saying our grammar sucks, and yours rocks. the word is PAST.

Yankee was telling you the same thing we all were.

Now, before you go reporting my post, I said somethign about how the card is worthless, so it is not spam.

Oh, and the card being a Tuner is absurd. This card has NO drawback.

Oh, and you should love this:
[b]You say "Really?" out loud, do you not? I type like I talk. Go. Figure.[/b]

[Ice.]

[quote=General White]
Ice:
I wasn’t trying to make the point you have ignorantly pointed out. I was making a logically based opinion that Konami is making so many overpowered cards nowadays, why shouldn’t we make realistic overpowered cards our selves?
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Me? Being ignorant?

s*** just got real.

No, your logic is useless and flawed. That's like saying "Hey, so many people kill themselves nowadays, why shouldn't we do it?". We call Konami "lolnami" and other s*** for that exact reason. See, if you can read, it would say under "Realistic Cards" [i]Post cards here which are realistic and [b]balanced[/b].[/i] Now, is this card balanced? I believe you just admitted yourself that it's OP'd.

Besides, RC isn't for Joke Cards.

[~Jay~]

This and Skill Drain would be powerful. I don't think a Level 4 should have that much power AND be a Tuner. It's not Op'd, it's just really unoriginal. But what do I know.

It's your card do what you want with it.

[Koggi]

Its not really OPed... lots of things can still kill it. It's a dragon-type staple to come in fast and be powerful. Look at Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon and Montage Dragon for example. Skill drain will make this card epic, but without skill drain, this card is unstable. Great beatdown card, but vulnerable to bottomless and prisons. Not unbalanced at all, getting monsters to your deck is a pain in the butt because you cant use them unlike when sent to the graveyard. Its tuner powers are also weakened if it attacks... so it has a big downside. Its attack is massive, so it can kill cyber dragons and grandmasters if it wants to. Its a pretty good card if used right... but I wouldnt say it's unbalanced... 9/10

[Master White]

Before this gets locked like I ask, I actually enjoyed this, thank you Tainted Black and Ice. For giving me a fight, which I enjoy.

But anyhow,

BTW, "Way Passed any of you" was meant for reading, not grammar.

Now, will someone lock this please. Thank you

[電源戦争ウルフ]

Overpowered. Okay Pic. Would actually work well with mist vallies.
Overall 7/10.