123hriwu3beofuf89383y Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 If you want to discuss the Anime Version, Put [ANIME] in your Post. [spoiler=Grannel] The Epic one [IMG]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100823000812/yugioh/images/thumb/b/b8/MachineEmperorGrannelInfinityVJMP-JP-UR.jpg/400px-MachineEmperorGrannelInfinityVJMP-JP-UR.jpg[/IMG] Effect: [b]This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except from your hand when a face-up monster you control is destroyed by a card effect and sent to the Graveyard. This card gains ATK and DEF equal to half of your Life Points. Once per turn, you can equip 1 face-up Synchro Monster your opponent controls to this card. This card gains ATK equal to the combined ATK of all Synchro Monsters equipped to this card by its own effect. Once per turn, during your Main Phase, you can select and Special Summon 1 Synchro Monster equipped to this card to your side of the field in face-up Defense Position.[/b] [/spoiler] [spoiler=Wisel] My Fav! [IMG]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100823002354/yugioh/images/thumb/b/ba/MachineEmperorWiselInfinityWJMP-JP-UR.jpg/400px-MachineEmperorWiselInfinityWJMP-JP-UR.jpg[/IMG] Effect: [b]This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except from your hand when a face-up monster you control is destroyed by a card effect and sent to the Graveyard. Once per turn, you can equip 1 face-up Synchro Monster your opponent controls to this card. This card gains ATK equal to the combined ATK of all Synchro Monsters equipped to this card by its own effect. Other monsters you control cannot declare an attack. Once per turn, you can negate the activation of an opponent's Spell Card and destroy it.[/b] [/spoiler] [spoiler=Skiel] The Cool one [IMG]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100822234225/yugioh/images/thumb/d/db/MachineEmperorSkielInfinityVB13-JP-UR.jpg/400px-MachineEmperorSkielInfinityVB13-JP-UR.jpg[/img] Effect: [b]This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except from your hand when a face-up monster you control is destroyed by a card effect and sent to the Graveyard. Once per turn, you can equip 1 face-up Synchro Monster your opponent controls to this card. This card gains ATK equal to the combined ATK of all Synchro Monsters equipped to this card by its own effect. Other monsters you control cannot declare an attack. Also, you can send 1 Monster equipped to this card to the Graveyard. If you do, this card can attack your opponent directly this turn.[/b] [/spoiler] [spoiler=Anime ones...] [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Skiel"]Skiel[/url] [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Grannel"]Grannel[/url] [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Wisel"]Wisel[/url] [/spoiler] Shun me if i did it Wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 Grannel is just sheer offense. Wisel is pretty good all around Skiel is just meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Rrey Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1287680433' post='4723035'] Grannel is just sheer offense Wisel is pretty good all around Skiel is just toilet paper [/quote] This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 Don't we have this topic like every other week? I definitely remember seeing the mispelling of Emperor recently. The Machine [b]Emperors[/b] Grannel is OPed, since it doesn't restrict other monsters from attacking, can easily have 4000 ATK depending on how late in the game it is, and can steal and Summon opposing Synchros, giving you access to their effects without reducing your field's combined ATK strength, although Grannel loses ATK by that. Wisel is pretty good, with decent stats and the once-a-turn Spell negation. Skiel is meh, since its effect requires you to Steal a Synchro and then ditch it to do anything. Despite that, I love Skiel. Of most anime cards, these got the least nerfing, considering everyone knew they weren't going to release the multi-piece versions. They're super easy to summon, have good ATK, and each have their own little effect that in some way related the anime incarnation. Wisel gets the effect of Wisel Top 3, Skiel gets Skiel Attack 5's effect, and Grannel...we dont know what piece does the Synchro summon/shield yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1287680886' post='4723050'] Grannel is OPed, since it doesn't restrict other monsters from attacking, can easily have 4000 ATK depending on how late in the game it is, and can steal and Summon opposing Synchros, giving you access to their effects without reducing your field's combined ATK strength, although Grannel loses ATK by that. [/quote] For the record, Grannel only has overwhelimg ATK the earlier you play him. So mid to late game he would only have like 2000-ish ATK. And it Special Summons the Synchros in [i]defense mode[/i](...not that its a 'weakness' or anything) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 In defense? Must have missed that line. But that's only about as much a weakness as Goyo putting his stolen monsters in defense. Can't use them that turn, but hardly crippling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1287684595' post='4723180'] In defense? Must have missed that line. But that's only about as much a weakness as Goyo putting his stolen monsters in defense. Can't use them that turn, but hardly crippling. [/quote] I know right? Grannel's 2nd and 3rd effects are pretty much a "situational" version of Goyo. (Though its hardly that situational at all, since it depends on how Synchro abusive the opponent is) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 What's to discuss that hasn't been discussed already? They are good, an instant +2 as soon as it hits your turn, you take your opponent's monster at no cost. Too easy to summon, overall broken and pretty much banworthy. Grannel's a walking lolbeatstick with swarming capacity, Wisel wastes your opponent's spells and has a brilliant base attack, and skiel is well, almost balanced in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 This is why Shooting Star Dragon needs to be able to RFP in Main Phase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 It is amusing how the monsters hyped in the anime as being anti-Synchro Killers are actually helpless against them. The only way to use Accel Synchro to beat a Machine Emperor is to use Formula Synchron with Stardust, or Formula + Lvl 2 Tuner + Red Dragon Archfiend when your opponent activates a Machine Emperor's effect. In the anime, Shooting Star and Scar Red can dodge the Synchro snatching effects (lot of good that did against Grannel, making me think Grannel is actually an Accel Synchro Killer in disguise), but in the OCG, Machine Emperors laugh at the monsters considered to be their downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 [quote name='TheTurtleOnceCalledGod' timestamp='1287685720' post='4723214'] Too easy to summon, overall broken and pretty much banworthy. [/quote] Skiel isnt banworthy at all. Same with Wisel. Granel.... Maybe. But with Grannel, its a matter of [i]when[/i] you play him that effects how much of a threat he is. Also, I have a feeling theirs a BKSS saying that you cant stack the summons, and card effects that target more then one monster somehow "force" you to miss the chance to summon it. ......Or something like that. I'm not really sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1287694911' post='4723688'] It is amusing how the monsters hyped in the anime as being anti-Synchro Killers are actually helpless against them. The only way to use Accel Synchro to beat a Machine Emperor is to use Formula Synchron with Stardust, or Formula + Lvl 2 Tuner + Red Dragon Archfiend when your opponent activates a Machine Emperor's effect. In the anime, Shooting Star and Scar Red can dodge the Synchro snatching effects (lot of good that did against Grannel, making me think Grannel is actually an Accel Synchro Killer in disguise), but in the OCG, Machine Emperors laugh at the monsters considered to be their downfall. [/quote] That is why THIS should be the effect of SSD: 1 Tuner Synchro Monster + "Stardust Dragon" Each of these can be activated once per turn: ● Reveal the top 5 cards of your Deck. Shuffle them back in, and this card's maximum number of attacks this turn is equal to the number of Tuner monsters revealed in Deck ● Negate the activation of an effect that would destroy a card(s) on the field, and destroy that card. [b]This effect is Spell Speed 3 [/b]● [b]When your opponent targets this card[/b], you can remove this card from play. During the End Phase, Special Summon this card that was removed from play by this effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fader Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 Grannel Is pure win, they are all sin, but Grannel Takes the cake, the non lie cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 Grannel sounds like one of the Angels in Neon Genesis Evangelion, if anyone else me here actually knows that. Anyhow, they're lolzy in their own satisfaction deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 What dodges the Emperors? I can only think of Turbo Warrior, Formula Synchron, Majestic Star Dragon, or a weak Synchro with Heart of Clear Water equipped. Non of these seem to do an adequate job of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1287718913' post='4725014'] What dodges the Emperors? I can only think of Turbo Warrior, Formula Synchron, Majestic Star Dragon, or a weak Synchro with Heart of Clear Water equipped. Non of these seem to do an adequate job of it. [/quote] Turbo Warrior does it the best, but Skiel, Wisel, and Grannel all match or come very close to its ATK, so it wont really hold them off. Formula Synchron has to be able to Synchro with something, and unless you're going for Black Rose or something, you'll still have to deal with the Machine Emperor's threat next turn. Majestic Star has to Tribute itself, plus the odds of it being snatchable is slim to none due to its "Return to Extra Deck" effect, and nukes their field, which may just lead to them throwing out a second Machine Emperor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1287720308' post='4725048'] Turbo Warrior does it the best, but Skiel, Wisel, and Grannel all match or come very close to its ATK, so it wont really hold them off. Formula Synchron has to be able to Synchro with something, and unless you're going for Black Rose or something, you'll still have to deal with the Machine Emperor's threat next turn. Majestic Star has to Tribute itself, plus the odds of it being snatchable is slim to none due to its "Return to Extra Deck" effect, and nukes their field, which may just lead to them throwing out a second Machine Emperor. [/quote] Opponent targets Stardust SYNCHRO SUMMONING ON THE OPPONENT'S TURN?! Topdeck 5 tuners win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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