GenzoTheHarpist Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 [quote name='FTW (For The Wynn)' timestamp='1288996967' post='4764213'] Also, Josh has every right to argue against the legalization of marijuana, just as you have every right to argue for it. [/quote] But so far he hasn't argued in the first place. Just stated that he hated it with no reason for why. I'm interested in having a discussion, not shutting him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW (For The Wynn) Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 *looks back through posts* Indeed, you are correct. Yes, I would actually like to hear his beliefs. I have some suspicions on what they are, but he should definitely talk about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 [quote name='GenzoTheHarpist' timestamp='1288995953' post='4764174'] Why do you hate it so much? Why do you feel it can't be legalized when more dangerous substances are already legal? [/quote] A lot of reasons, a lot. But quite frankly, I also have an emotional hate to it. And I cannot state the logical reasons with a clear mind. I apologize but answering this will not end well. However, if you wish to speak to me on MSN about it I will be more than happy to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 That doesn't seem like a sound thing to vote based on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 [quote name='GenzoTheHarpist' timestamp='1288999831' post='4764329'] That doesn't seem like a sound thing to vote based on. [/quote] I didn't say there isn't logic behind it, there is a terrible lot. But I cannot control my emotions against it, for personal disgust and emotional hatred on top of that. Would you have me discuss it with all that in a controlled medium or would you rather discuss it privately where such things can be said without being interpreted wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 I'd rather you tried to present a logic based argument on the site where you brought it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 [quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1288917472' post='4762250'] Should be legalized. Only a 12 year old would think otherwise. [/quote] 12 year olds apparently held the majority, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted November 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 [quote name='Vuvuzela of Triumph' timestamp='1289009244' post='4764788'] 12 year olds apparently held the majority, then. [/quote] Lol, pretty funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 [quote name='Vuvuzela of Triumph' timestamp='1289009244' post='4764788'] 12 year olds apparently held the majority, then. [/quote] Successful troll is successful. Anyway, I personally don't have anything against people who use it, but I also don't have anything against people who don't condone it's use. So Icy, it's totally understandable if you have feelings against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted November 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 I personaly, like adhd, have nothing agianst people that use it, but I would never, ever use it myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 I think the evidence I presented in the debate thread is good enough to use. In short, caffeine causes more car accidents than pott and there is not a single pott-induced fatality reported. You would have to smoke 1500 pounds of it in 15 minutes to have a lethal response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted November 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 Off topic: how much caffine was used? this has nothing to do with comparing it to marijuana, I'm mearly currious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 [quote name='Blue eyes + Wynn' timestamp='1289095080' post='4767302'] Off topic: how much caffine was used? this has nothing to do with comparing it to marijuana, I'm mearly currious [/quote] i'd have to find the article that I found the chart on. I'm on the wii but I might be able to do it at school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 As Pika (or someone) stated earlier, Holland is not the same as America, and everything that happens in Holland cannot necessarily be ported over to America. It [i]should[/i] be noted, however, that people in Holland are less likely to use marijuana as a gateway drug to LSD and cocaine. The fact that marijuana doesn't have lethal effects but[i] is[/i] a gateway drug is one of the only logical arguments against the legalization of marijuana. And again, while this same fact may not apply to America, it is worth noting that if something becomes legal, not only do less people use it in excess (since it's not as bad-ass anymore, much like people drink less once they are older than twenty-one), but less people use it and find other drugs as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1289096917' post='4767407'] As Pika (or someone) stated earlier, Holland is not the same as America, and everything that happens in Holland cannot necessarily be ported over to America. It [i]should[/i] be noted, however, that people in Holland are less likely to use marijuana as a gateway drug to LSD and cocaine. The fact that marijuana doesn't have lethal effects but[i] is[/i] a gateway drug is one of the only logical arguments against the legalization of marijuana. And again, while this same fact may not apply to America, it is worth noting that if something becomes legal, not only do less people use it in excess (since it's not as bad-ass anymore, much like people drink less once they are older than twenty-one), but less people use it and find other drugs as a result. [/quote] I would like to hear what basis you have fore saying marijuana is a gateway drug. Every single study I have ever seen came out against that. The UK commission that evaluated marijuana recently laughed its ass off at the idea. Secondly, LSD should be legal. That was the recommendation of most health committees recently that like marijuana it is much less dangerous than nicotine/alcohol in all ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 [quote name='GenzoTheHarpist' timestamp='1289097852' post='4767486'] I would like to hear what basis you have fore saying marijuana is a gateway drug. Every single study I have ever seen came out against that. The UK commission that evaluated marijuana recently laughed its ass off at the idea. Secondly, LSD should be legal. That was the recommendation of most health committees recently that like marijuana it is much less dangerous than nicotine/alcohol in all ways. [/quote] The supposed "fact" that marijuana is a gateway drug was just hearsay. I do apologize for not looking up studies of it myself, and I did blindly believe what I have heard. If marijuana is, in fact, [b]not[/b] a gateway drug, I cannot think of a single argument against its legalization, which leads me to question people against this proposition believe and what their logic is. I'm kind of iffy on legalizing hallucinogens. Call me paranoid, but it doesn't seem smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1289098101' post='4767501'] The supposed "fact" that marijuana is a gateway drug was just hearsay. I do apologize for not looking up studies of it myself, and I did blindly believe what I have heard. If marijuana is, in fact, [b]not[/b] a gateway drug, I cannot think of a single argument against its legalization, which leads me to question people against this proposition believe and what their logic is. I'm kind of iffy on legalizing hallucinogens. Call me paranoid, but it doesn't seem smart. [/quote] hallucinogens are better than opiates like chloroform. I don't want to be walking to work one day and have some greasy guy that wears too much cologne come up behind me with that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1289098101' post='4767501'] The supposed "fact" that marijuana is a gateway drug was just hearsay. I do apologize for not looking up studies of it myself, and I did blindly believe what I have heard. If marijuana is, in fact, [b]not[/b] a gateway drug, I cannot think of a single argument against its legalization, which leads me to question people against this proposition believe and what their logic is. I'm kind of iffy on legalizing hallucinogens. Call me paranoid, but it doesn't seem smart. [/quote] Yeah, the only "evidence" there ever was for it being a gateway drug was that hard drug users tended to also use marijuana... something shared by nicotine and alcohol equally. Its never been demonstrated that there's a general trend for marijuana users to move on to harder drugs. Like you, the people against legalization have mostly heard specious arguments, but it confirmed what they already believed, so they never felt the need to actually research it. I really don't see the problem. They are pretty much proven to have lower potential for abuse, lower toxicity, and almost zero addiction potential. I'd actually say that they are softer drugs than even marijuana is. Of course, this doesn't go for everything (peyote and amanita mushrooms are poisonous), but LSD, psilocybin mushrooms, etc, have very little to justify being banned other than being associated with social movements the government isn't too fond of. Not to mention that the medical benefits seen from them are IMO much more persuasive than those for medical marijuana. Another topic of interest: Ecstacy (MDMA). Almost all risks associated with using it are actually the risks of the knock-off compounds that masquerade as it on the street, and it already has been proven to have psychologically beneficial effects in the right context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Starrk Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 Meh. Just legalize the damn plant. It wasn't illegal when the colonists came to America. So why can't it be legal now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 Um, marijuana is not indigenous to America. Its from the middle east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Starrk Posted November 8, 2010 Report Share Posted November 8, 2010 [quote name='GenzoTheHarpist' timestamp='1289175922' post='4770371'] Um, marijuana is not indigenous to America. Its from the middle east. [/quote] What I meant was, after they planted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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