Brandon Michael Geren Posted December 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2010 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1291218166' post='4822345'] You must not quite recognize the significance of "having a reason to". With all stories and in RL, motivation to do anything is crucial to DOING anything. Heroes will not usually fight evil because they should. They do it because they have either some genuine obligation or they have a deeper motivation ranging from emotional satisfaction/vengeance, or personal gain with moral lining. [b]Makes sense...[/b] Konami has no reason to unban a card that's only purpose to the game is a loop exploited in FTKs. [b]Scrap (Twin) Dragon.[/b] Whether or not the card is still a threat is irrelevent. Unbanning serves no purpose, so they have no reason to do it. The combo that banned it is still there, untouched except for itself. [b]Unbanning it serves the purpose of obtaining lols. And allowing Guardian Elma to be played.[/b] Everyone seems to think that Konami is one single entity that just throws darts at a dartboard to decide what gets banned or unbanned. I doubt what gets banned/limited/unbanned/semi'd is left to one or two people. There are probably a lot of people who have some vote or say in the decision, and it takes a lot of analysis of how it may affect the meta, how something may be considered excessive, or what is no longer relevent enough to stay banned. Butterfly Dagger will not contribute anything, and it will only be used for the FTK/OTK loops that Konami is so against. [b](Most) OTK loops aren't really hit by Konami. I mean, look at the bad OTKs that are on Wikia. But yeah, I agree with this. I don't think they throw it at a dartboard. And some of their decisions are actually better than the general card-playing public's. Like Limiting Infernity Launcher. Again, Scraps. And there are probably some other things but idk.[/b] Until a genuine reason to unban it exists beyond "they should because it's not a threat", which in itself is false, (It's not consistent, necessarily, but it IS a threat. The loop still exists and can be exploited) the card will stay banned. We should just accept that and try to forget the card even exists. [b]Meh.[/b] [/quote] [quote name='sebihp2007' timestamp='1291218783' post='4822365'] Hey, slayer, give it up.. you can't beat the trolls .. ever .. [b]Not trolling and he did give up.[/b] Just for the notes: The Gearfried -- Dagger combo is a 2-card combo .. Then, you can use any card with Spell Counters to abuse it .. [b]3. The "any card with Spell Counters" is a 3rd card. Also, Spell Absorbtion is better and it doesn't use Spell Counters.[/b] If you would allow me to go off-topic, the Meta there as a LOT more strategic: now you can just about set 4 traps at the same time and fear not (expects to be given an example of a card that can ruin my sentence which is completely impracticable in any other situation). As for Hole getting allowed, that makes no sense whatsoever .. [b]It makes perfect sense and it's good. I really like Dark Hole [/b] [/quote] [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1291219188' post='4822383'] My opinion is that forcing both players to find different ways to bypass Traps rather than a lucksacky draw is better strategy than the former. And I might not LIKE Dark Hole, but I don't despise it, either. It punishes swarm for not winning that turn, and limits stalling too much. [b]Stay on topic. And I completely agree with you.[/b] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 1, 2010 Report Share Posted December 1, 2010 Scrap (Twin) Dragon, huh? That's actually really clever. And while that contradicts my "only use" comment...that means it's still super-abusable and should not be unbanned. Guardian Elma is crap, so it doesn't matter really that it can't be played. Rephrase: Konami hates consistent OTKs. But then they unlimited Cyber Dragon and gave us Zwei. Huh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted December 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2010 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1291245245' post='4823115'] Scrap (Twin) Dragon, huh? That's actually really clever. And while that contradicts my "only use" comment...that means it's still super-abusable and should not be unbanned. Guardian Elma is crap, so it doesn't matter really that it can't be played. Rephrase: Konami hates consistent OTKs. But then they unlimited Cyber Dragon and gave us Zwei. Huh... [/quote] Thing is though, you don't see CyDra OTK being played anymore... So Konami was right there? Or are most players just too stupid to use it? (never tried it...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 With Heavy Storm gone, it's not as easy to clear out the backrow anymore. And other decks are a bit faster with advantage and consistency, whereas Cyber OTK puts a lot of stake into one combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 [quote]You quit because you knew you would lose a round later. Okay. So. Judgment Dragon+Judgment Dragon+Guardian of Order is an example of a 3 card winning combination, but you don't see everybody playing it. Do you not want it to be allowed?[/quote] Yes, Judgment Dragon should be banned. Hey, let's make a topic discussing JDs list position! Combos of 3 or fewer cards generally are bad for the game (obviously with exceptions depending on ease of play for each card). If some other card came out that could be abused with Gearfried and nothing else, then I'd think it would make sense to ban Gearfried and then unban Elma. I think the current arrangement is best, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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