Improved Return to Hand Deck

[Zorc Valom]

OK. Revised return deck.

[u]Total Cards 42[/u]

[u]Monsters 22[/u]
Spirit Reaper x1
Mist Valley Soldier x2
Neo-Spacian Grand Mole x1
Des Koala x1
Golem Sentry x2
Reese the Ice Mistress x2 (still trying to find a good LV2 tuner)
Penguin Soldier x3
Guardian Sphinx x3
Morphing Jar x1
Morphing Jar #2 x1
Arsenal Summoner x1 (for Guardian Sphinx, still in question)
Marshmallon x1
Blackwing - Abrolhos the Megaquake x1
Nightmare Penguin x3

[u]Spells 10[/u]
Degenerate Circuit x3
Wave-Motion Cannon x3 (most of my easy wins came from this card)
Mystical Space Typhoon x1
Pot of Avarice x1
Swords of Revealing Light x1
Bait Doll x1

[u]Traps 10[/u]
Ordeal of a Traveler x3
Compulsory Evacuation Device x3
Dark Bribe x1
Mirror Force x1
Magic Cylinder x2

Extra Deck x?
Brionic, Dragon of the Ice Barrier x1
(Mist Wurm x?)

[El-Rrey]

No.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

No.

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

so the focus in returning cards to hand right?

mm, try something like this:

3 guardian sphinx
3 cyber dragon
2 raiza the storm monarch

3 penguin soldier
3 nightmare penguin
3 golem sentry
1 spirit reaper
1 plaguespreader zombie
-19-

3 the shallow grave
3 book of moon
2 degenerate circuit (you bounce, cards get removed )
1 monster reborn
1 dark hole
1 giant trunade
-11-

3 compulsoy evac device
3 forced back
2 bottomless trap hole
1 torrential tribute
1 solemn judgment
-10-

[El-Rrey]

[quote name='Sephiroth_The_Legend' timestamp='1292216725' post='4848415']
so the focus in returning cards to hand right?

mm, try something like this:

3 guardian sphinx
3 cyber dragon
2 raiza the storm monarch

3 penguin soldier
3 nightmare penguin
3 golem sentry
1 spirit reaper
1 plaguespreader zombie
-19-

3 the shallow grave
3 book of moon
2 degenerate circuit (you bounce, cards get removed )
1 monster reborn
1 dark hole
1 giant trunade
-11-

3 compulsoy evac device
3 forced back
2 bottomless trap hole
1 torrential tribute
1 solemn judgment
-10-
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With PoD's, this should be a bit better!

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

i purposely didn't include PoD because of cost.

although, it should definitely be run if possible.

[Zorc Valom]

[quote name='Sephiroth_The_Legend' timestamp='1292217533' post='4848440']
i purposely didn't include PoD because of cost.

although, it should definitely be run if possible.
[/quote]

For some odd reason, I don't like pot.

[Brinolovania]

[quote name='Zorc Valom' timestamp='1292287817' post='4850478']
For some odd reason, I don't like pot.
[/quote]
...That statement made me LOL for more than one reason.

[Zorc Valom]

[quote name='Sephiroth_The_Legend' timestamp='1292216725' post='4848415']
so the focus in returning cards to hand right?

mm, try something like this:

3 guardian sphinx
3 cyber dragon
2 raiza the storm monarch [b]This is a return to hand, not deck.[/b]

3 penguin soldier
3 nightmare penguin
3 golem sentry
1 spirit reaper
1 plaguespreader zombie
-19-

3 the shallow grave
3 book of moon
2 degenerate circuit (you bounce, cards get removed ) [b]I know, that's why it's in there. I can't keep having their monsters come back all the time.[/b]
1 monster reborn
1 dark hole
1 giant trunade [b]Good idea.[/b]
-11-

3 compulsoy evac device
3 forced back [b]I thought about that. I'll have to try it.[/b]
2 bottomless trap hole
1 torrential tribute
1 solemn judgment [b]Too pricy. Degenerate drains me enough[/b]
-10-
[/quote]

Thanks, this should help, but why did you leave out Ordeal of a Traveler, Magic Cylinder, Wave-Motion Cannon, Mirror Force, Dark Bribe, Morphing Jar, MST, Neo-Spacian Grand Mole, and Bait Doll? The others I understand, but why those?

[Brinolovania]

[quote name='Zorc Valom' timestamp='1292288449' post='4850508']
Thanks, this should help, but why did you leave out Ordeal of a Traveler [b]Bad[/b],
Magic Cylinder, [b]Extremely bad.[/b]
Wave-Motion Cannon, [b]Unneeded in a non-burn deck.[/b]
Mirror Force, [b]replace Judgment.[/b]
Dark Bribe, [b]No. Just no.[/b]
Morphing Jar, [b]Unneeded.[/b]
MST, [b]Same.[/b]
Neo-Spacian Grand Mole, [b]Same[/b]
and Bait Doll? [b]Bad. [/b]
The others I understand, but why those?
[/quote]
Also, returning to deck is more hurtful then returning to hand., and 2400 beaters are good. Run Raiza.

[Zorc Valom]

I'm gonna need more than just "bad" before I rip my deck apart.
Ordeal is the best restrict attack trap second only mirror force.
Why not Dark Bribe? What should I run instead? (No Solemn Judgment, just no.)
Bait Doll is repeated use, and I need something to blow up opposing back row. Giant Trunade only works for one turn.

[Black W Mage]

[quote name='Zorc Valom' timestamp='1292302543' post='4851200']
I'm gonna need more than just "bad" before I rip my deck apart.
[b]Ordeal seems like a gray area, in that there are practical applications, but there are better options. Magical Cylinders provides no card advantage, it's actually a -1 for you at a very minimum loss of life points (for now card advantage > life points), Bait Dolls sole purpose is a once in a while opportunity to CHECK if there is a trap card, not destroy it. It goes back in the deck, and may interrupt a potentially better draw[/b]
Ordeal is the best restrict attack trap second only mirror force.
Why not Dark Bribe? What should I run instead? (No Solemn Judgment, just no.)[b]Trap Stun[/b]
Bait Doll is repeated use, and I need something to blow up opposing back row. Giant Trunade only works for one turn. [b]Bait Doll only works on card at a time, and sometimes won't guarantee a hit, and the recycling process is way too slow. Giant Trunade can take out S/T at a more massive scale, allowing you to go for game. [/b]
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[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

For the reasons the guys have stated above.

I simply upgrade the cards you were using to add more consistency.

Although Solemn Judgment has a high LP cost, it can potentially save a game for you.

Raiza allows you to control what your opponent will draw and then on the next turn, know exactly
how to counter it.
Not to mention 2400 ATK is nothing to sneeze at.