~ Dākunaitomon ~ Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 If two crazy kids want to have a cyclops child then fine by me just keep it not crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 [quote name='The_Big_Bad_Wolf' timestamp='1311071413' post='5368565'] If two crazy kids want to have a cyclops child then fine by me just keep it not crazy [/quote] that is not how incest works at all Anyways, regulating the activities done in the bedroom by 2 consenting adults is unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1311237709' post='5373723'] that is not how incest works at all Anyways, regulating the activities done in the bedroom by 2 consenting adults is unacceptable. [/quote] I agree with this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickiMinaj Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 It's not so much the fact that it should be illegal, it's more the idea that it's wrong. I couldn't imagine having relations with any immediate family member. Even thinking about a cousin in that way just makes me churn...almost mini-vomit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vough Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 [quote name='Donovyn Mikara Gerra' timestamp='1299820042' post='5066170'] Genetic problems? Maybe in about 5 generations. Related by blood? Big whoop. Name one difference between your sister and any other girl, aside from genetics. BTW, the following questions [i]needs[/i] to be asked. What is family? In the end, it has nothing to do with blood. Don't get me wrong here, I'll punch you in the face for insulting my blood family, but, there is more to family than blood. Thus, just because you and the woman you have feelings for share blood parents, doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to consummate those feelings. Incest= La-dee-freakin'-da. [/quote] 1. You do realize what happens, right? The DNA takes the strongest gene from either side. However, if they have relatively the same DNA, then that one characteristic will be weaker if the blood is the same. See where I'm going with it? That's why many Pharaohs and Kings and Queens had health/genetic problems. 2. Above 3. Genetics actually matters, tbh. 4. Family, I would say, is whoever takes care of you as a either a mother/father, aunt/uncle, sibling, or nephew/neice, or those that share your bloodline. I need sources why you think incest isn't bad, besides, "IF YOU LOVE YOUR SIBLING, DO STUFF WITH THEM AND HAVE A GENETICLY WEAK CHILD!!!!" Plus my sister is dirt ugly so that might've influenced my ideaology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 In a society without incest, people of a given bloodline become related and acquainted with people of a different bloodline each time there is a marriage. Family trees grow outwards and there becomes a network of relations between people of many different bloodlines unified literally as family. In a society with rampant incest, people of a given bloodline do not branch out and unify with people of other bloodlines. There would be many self-exclusive bloodlines alien to one another, and to a greater rate hostile to one another as they have no means of familiarizing with the customs of people of other bloodlines. Families are like countries in their society that is like the world, much better united as one with people free to interact and visit each other than to be isolated and hostile towards other countries. Non-incest marriages familiarize families previously unfamiliar to each other. Furthermore, there would be a significantly increased number of disabled children in an incestuous society in place of children without disabilities in a society without incest, and the children without disabilities would be free of the burdens disabled children experience as a result of their disability, and these burdens can be harsh and numerous. Suffering as a result of disabilities is therefore amplified in incestuous societies. [quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1299794602' post='5065084'] Ha funny how that is being said even though "Incest" Has been a popular thing in the world since the beginning of time...[/quote] Anything people have done throughout the ages whatsoever is perfectly reasonable simply because they've been doing it throughout history? It follows then that raping, killing, torturing, and pillaging are perfectly reasonable. Of course, they aren't, so your argument's f***ed. [quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1299794602' post='5065084'] Kings used to do this..[/quote] Are we honestly of the belief that no king has ever done wrong? As any inbred retard knows, they have, so your argument's f***ed. [quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1299794602' post='5065084'] Then civilization came up with a stupid excuse for political correctness known as "Morals"[/quote] Alright, so now nobody in history has ever done anything wrong. You don't demonstrate any understanding of the significance of morals, which are the foundation of any argument or point made in a debate. As such, your arguments will continue to be f***ed until you can correct said lack of understanding. [quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1299794602' post='5065084'] Its really pitiful that people would have a bad opinion on it yet it has shaped the world for 2000 years... [/quote] As though a given thing occurring throughout societies for thousands of years isn't f***ed simply because it's occurred for thousands of years. Again. :/ [quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1311237709' post='5373723'] Anyways, regulating the activities done in the bedroom by 2 consenting adults is unacceptable. [/quote] When the vast majority of couples in a given society consist of consenting siblings snorting meth from each other's asses in their bedrooms, the impacts and consequences for said society bares consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vough Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 ^This. Again, if genetics don't play a part in this, then incest is perfectly acceptable. However, since they do, then it should stay taboo, unless everyone is okay with love that creates disabled and handicapped children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 [quote name='~ P O L A R I S ~' timestamp='1311404991' post='5379751'] Anything people have done throughout the ages whatsoever is perfectly reasonable simply because they've been doing it throughout history? It follows then that raping, killing, torturing, and pillaging are perfectly reasonable. Of course, they aren't, so your argument's f***ed. [b]Yes actually it does we had no reason to deviate from the ideas of our ancestors...[/b] Are we honestly of the belief that no king has ever done wrong? As any inbred retard knows, they have, so your argument's f***ed. [b]No it is not there have been many kings that have killed in order to build there vast empire which I find quite inspiring... Kings like King Henry VIII or Constantine I[/b] Alright, so now nobody in history has ever done anything wrong. You don't demonstrate any understanding of the significance of morals, which are the foundation of any argument or point made in a debate. As such, your arguments will continue to be f***ed until you can correct said lack of understanding. [b]Nobody in history HAS done anything wrong they fought for survival that is it... People died because they just happened to get in the way of a kings conquest or the Inquisition and that sucks, but thats what happens when you have more power over another person... Morals have no significance whatsoever...[/b] As though a given thing occurring throughout societies for thousands of years isn't f***ed simply because it's occurred for thousands of years. Again. :/ [b]That is not my entire theory but I do believe old civilizations had a better mindset than us but I do not simply believe it in the laymans terms you have approached me with...[/b] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 [quote name='Vough'] ^This. Again, if genetics don't play a part in this, then incest is perfectly acceptable.[/quote] Except it isn't, because of the whole isolation-of-bloodlines-from-each-other-causes-feelings-of-alienation-and-hostility-among-them thing having nothing to do with genetics. [quote name='Anthony Hatsune'] Yes actually it does we had no reason to deviate from the ideas of our ancestors...[/quote] I dunno about your ancestors, but mine didn't unanimously believe that murder, rape, torture, and pillaging were all perfectly condonable things to do. Despite my lack of the uttermost certainty, I strongly suspect that yours didn't either. [quote name='Anthony Hatsune'] People died because they just happened to get in the way of a kings conquest or the Inquisition and that sucks, but thats what happens when you have more power over another person... Morals have no significance whatsoever... [/quote] The "kings conquest or the Inquisition" is based on moral ideals and the people killed are often killed because they contradict those moral ideals. The victors of the aforementioned "kings conquest or the Inquisition" are determined by the amount of support gained for their moral ideals. Moral oppositions are the basis of all conflicts. [quote name='Anthony Hatsune'] there have been many kings that have killed in order to build there vast empire which I find quite inspiring... Kings like King Henry VIII or Constantine I[/quote] The existence of examples of virtuous kings (as Henry VIII wasn't) certainly does not legitimize every decision any king has ever made to the point where any action can be justified by solely by any given king's having done it. You cannot justify incest solely by a king's having done it. [quote name='Anthony Hatsune'] I do not simply believe it in the laymans terms you have approached me with...[/quote] Differences in the eloquence with which your belief is stated are not differences in your belief. If you believe that "its really pitiful that people would have a bad opinion on it yet it has shaped the world for 2000 years...", then you believe that "a given thing occurring throughout societies for thousands of years isn't f***ed simply because it's occurred for thousands of years." as they're the same belief worded differently. Not that my statement of your belief was any less eloquent than yours in the first place. I should hardly think that you should have the audacity to accuse me of the use of "laymans terms" despite the massive heaps of irony when you consider your own posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 [quote name='~ P O L A R I S ~' timestamp='1311488816' post='5382554'] Differences in the eloquence with which your belief is stated are not differences in your belief. If you believe that "its really pitiful that people would have a bad opinion on it yet it has shaped the world for 2000 years...", then you believe that "a given thing occurring throughout societies for thousands of years isn't f***ed simply because it's occurred for thousands of years." as they're the same belief worded differently. Not that my statement of your belief was any less eloquent than yours in the first place. I should hardly think that you should have the audacity to accuse me of the use of "laymans terms" despite the massive heaps of irony when you consider your own posts. [/quote] If they want to have Handicapped or disabled children let them... And it does not have to create disabled children as long as a majority of people believe it is impossible to happen... If a large (And I mean large) Majority of people believe that incest does not produce those type of children then their minds will take mass and reality will change exponentially to solve the problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Starrk Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Incest should be illegal unless they both consent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 [quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1311533052' post='5383597'] If they want to have Handicapped or disabled children let them... And it does not have to create disabled children as long as a majority of people believe it is impossible to happen... If a large (And I mean large) Majority of people believe that incest does not produce those type of children then their minds will take mass and reality will change exponentially to solve the problem... [/quote] I'm more concerned about the scattered isolated hostile alienated bloodlines resulting from an incestuous society than the increase of handicapped and disabled children in place of children without such burdens. Regardless, both are hideously counterproductive with regards to the construction of an ideal society, and were I the one setting the legislature I wouldn't think twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit of DMG Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 [quote name='Vough' timestamp='1311398153' post='5379580'] 1. You do realize what happens, right? The DNA takes the strongest gene from either side. [b] And this is bad, how? If a brother and a sister share a gene that causes denser, and thereby, stronger, muscles, how would this be a bad thing? Even if this a a recessive trait, there is a 50/50 chance that the child will inherit this. [/b] However, if they have relatively the same DNA, then that one characteristic will be weaker if the blood is the same. See where I'm going with it? That's why many Pharaohs and Kings and Queens had health/genetic problems. [b]Actually, many Pharohs/Kings/Queens had health problems because they always ate the grain on the top of the bin, as it was considered more important that they ate first. As such, they were the ones exposed to contamination from the environment, which could cause problems in even non-incest babies.[/b] 2. Above 3. Genetics actually matters, tbh. 4. Family, I would say, is whoever takes care of you as a either a mother/father, aunt/uncle, sibling, or nephew/neice, or those that share your bloodline. I need sources why you think incest isn't bad, besides, "IF YOU LOVE YOUR SIBLING, DO STUFF WITH THEM AND HAVE A GENETICLY WEAK CHILD!!!!" [b]Family, I would say, is anyone you feel close enough to, that you would call them "family." One of my favorite cousins, for instance, is not related to me by blood or marriage. She is simply someone whom I just started calling "cousin," and she returns the favor.[/b] Plus my sister is dirt ugly so that might've influenced my ideaology. [b]My sister is, well, fairly attractive. can't stand her personality, though...[/b] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Fam-I-ly\'Fam-le, A group of persons of common ancestry You were saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 [quote name='~ P O L A R I S ~' timestamp='1311580929' post='5385416'] I'm more concerned about the scattered isolated hostile alienated bloodlines resulting from an incestuous society than the increase of handicapped and disabled children in place of children without such burdens. Regardless, both are hideously counterproductive with regards to the construction of an ideal society, and were I the one setting the legislature I wouldn't think twice. [/quote] Who cares about the "Ideal society" society can be anything there is no ideal one... The Ideal society could be a society full of genetically disabled people and you would never know... There is no ideal society because we can never determine the actual true society that is correct and not based on foolish morals... [quote name='~Lawliet~' timestamp='1311545754' post='5384237'] Incest should be illegal unless they both consent. [/quote] I agree with this comepletely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit of DMG Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 Good, you know how to use a dictionary. Need I remind you that every Creation Story involves but two humans? Leaving Religion aside, Scientists believe that all life started from a single common ancestor. by using this logic, unless more than one bacteria sprung forth from thin air or wherever it came from, if we go back far enough, everyone on Earth, and possilby a few people on Mars, share ancestry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 [quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1311630933' post='5387112'] Who cares about the "Ideal society"[/quote] That's a hopeless argument. The question of how mankind can achieve an ideal society's one of the more cared about questions ever. The entire point of a government is the confrontation of this question. It is part of the foundation of every war ever. [quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1311630933' post='5387112'] society can be anything there is no ideal one... The Ideal society could be a society full of genetically disabled people and you would never know... There is no ideal society because we can never determine the actual true society that is correct and not based on foolish morals... [/quote] Although the exact conditions of a perfectly ideal society are still very much subject to debate, people's visions of ideal societies are based on their principles of what is right and wrong evolved throughout history by points of comparison from past societies and how they've ended up. My vision is based on what would minimize suffering, which is generally viewed as unpleasant in any given society, and the simultaneous creation of as much joy possible, which is generally viewed as pleasent. An incestuous society inhibits the growth of familiarity with other bloodlines as family, thereby reducing joy in such relations. Rather, these bloodlines become isolated from each other as they only have themselves to breed with, leading to alienation, hostility, and inevitably suffering. This reduction of joy and increase of suffering makes incest at issue with my principles that form my vision of an ideal society. In the same light, considering that it's scientifically proven that there're a greater number of disabled offspring among incestuous couples and that these disabilities are a burden that causes said offspring to suffer, incest again is at issue with my principles that form my vision of an ideal society. So long as my principles aren't at fault, and you can dispute them at will, my arguments that incest would impede upon the creation of an ideal society and should therefore be illegal appear to make sense. The notion that "a society full of genetically disabled people" would be an ideal society would be one spawned from moral principles I'd dispute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 The thing about Incest is that the deformity factor is a myth. The chance of a child born to a brother and sister of having birth defects is far less than many say it is, often only about a 2% increase. Incest is only stigmatized due to religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Dan Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 I guess there's nothing wrong with it morally, but incest indefinitely leads to inbreeding, and although physical deformity is 'rare', it is real, and you're increasing the chance of it by inbreeding, and then you're just screwing up human lives. Sure, if you want a second cousin to give you a handjob behind the garage at a family reunion, that's fine, but inter-marrying and inbreeding? Sh*t's wrong as f*ck, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted August 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 From asking around friends who is learning genetics, inbreeding is only bad during for at least 3 generations. After that the chances of genetic defects are lowered. I'm now changing my stance on Incest being genetically bad to okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 The human race was TECHNICALLY built on incest, unless many different cells were created separately that evolved, and even then it would eventually become incestuous. Same thing applies to most religions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted August 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 Considering all life is related, by all defination we're all inbreed bastards. Or in other words, what N said. Also: If Adam and Eve were the only human beings, and they had Cain and Abel..... Yeah...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 So technically, Incest can not be considered immoral for religious reasons if you're Christian/Catholic/whateerotherrelegionsbelieveinthoseteachings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 Gay couples can't directly have children with each other at all, so I don't see "Children you have might have an increased probability of deformities" to be an acceptable argument. It seems contradictory to say that one type of relationship that is completely unable to have children is acceptable when another type of relationship that may or may not have children but having children may lead to side-effects (especially since in this day and age it is completely possible to avoid children unless one wants them). As such, I have no compelling argument against relationships between siblings, cousins, or whathaveyou. However, between a parent and a child, I do see a problem. The former has too great an impact on the development of the latter; in a certain sense the former determines the personality of the latter, and as such can easily "groom" the latter. There is a strong power dynamic between the two that controls their entire relationship, and so between a parent (or any similar guardian) and child there is indeed a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Dan Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 [quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1313833751' post='5456696'] Gay couples can't directly have children with each other at all, so I don't see "Children you have might have an increased probability of deformities" to be an acceptable argument. It seems contradictory to say that one type of relationship that is completely unable to have children is acceptable when another type of relationship that may or may not have children but having children may lead to side-effects (especially since in this day and age it is completely possible to avoid children unless one wants them). As such, I have no compelling argument against relationships between siblings, cousins, or whathaveyou. However, between a parent and a child, I do see a problem. The former has too great an impact on the development of the latter; in a certain sense the former determines the personality of the latter, and as such can easily "groom" the latter. There is a strong power dynamic between the two that controls their entire relationship, and so between a parent (or any similar guardian) and child there is indeed a problem. [/quote] Crab, I find that a very intelligent observation. Now, let's let the other members try to size you up with their big words that they just Googled- maybe some will even incorporate reason into their argument! Oh joy, how I can't wait to witness the wannabes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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