War Chess Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Greetings everyone. This is my first card made with LiAM's Template. Comment on the usual plus if the card is good (graphically speaking) NOTE : This image came with the template and it was so nice I used it. [spoiler=Edited Version][img]http://i54.tinypic.com/or2s7d.png[/img] Lore: Tribute 1 Level 7 or higher FIRE monster you control. Destroy up to 3 cards on the field and inflict 300 damage to your opponent for each card destroyed this way. All I've changed is the type. Its a Quick-Play now, to become more playable.[/spoiler] [spoiler=Original Version][img]http://i54.tinypic.com/1z2m0cl.png[/img] Lore: Tribute 1 Level 7 or higher FIRE monster you control. Destroy up to 3 cards on the field and inflict 300 damage to your opponent for each card destroyed this way.[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJZuprocStudios Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Wow, that card looks really nice... Sorry I can't offer any real constructive criticism, since I'm a noob and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Chess Posted January 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 [quote name='MJZuprocStudios' timestamp='1295097254' post='4935692'] Wow, that card looks really nice... Sorry I can't offer any real constructive criticism, since I'm a noob and all. [/quote] Its OK, with time you learn. Thanks. But don't post away with no critiques, as it can be considered as +1 post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Really feels like it should be a quickplay. Chaining this to removal of my boss sounds playable, but you generally don't want to throw away a good beater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Chess Posted January 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 [quote name='-Griffin' timestamp='1295099349' post='4935738'] Really feels like it should be a quickplay. Chaining this to removal of my boss sounds playable, but you generally don't want to throw away a good beater. [/quote] Well, I didn't get it ? The idea is tribute to destroy cards like messenger of peace, gravity bind, marshmallon, etc. Anyway, did you like it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.B X Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Maybe i should make something clear for everybody, the card is BROKENZ! Well, not really but Lava Golem and Owners Seal, and to think Griffin said it should be a quick-play lol! Anyway, i think maybe, add some restrictions or lower the destruction amount i mean, you have the ability to destroy up to 3 cards on the entire field for a -1 for you and -3 for your opponent and plus max. of 900 dmg. to them. Boy! Thats a mouthful i mean just keep in mind the current Meta i mean in the old days this would be a powerful card but i mean now really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Chess Posted January 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 [quote name='M.B X' timestamp='1295100794' post='4935760'] Maybe i should make something clear for everybody, the card is BROKENZ! Well, not really but Lava Golem and Owners Seal, and to think Griffin said it should be a quick-play lol! Anyway, i think maybe, add some restrictions or lower the destruction amount i mean, you have the ability to destroy up to 3 cards on the entire field for a -1 for you and -3 for your opponent and plus max. of 900 dmg. to them. Boy! Thats a mouthful i mean just keep in mind the current Meta i mean in the old days this would be a powerful card but i mean now really! [/quote] I was worried about that. But Imagine, the cost is a huge beatstick, as Griffin said. Getting rid of a huge boss is a fair cost I think, but maybe the destruction could be at 2. What do you think about that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Uh, [s]no-one[/s] only one person uses Lava Golem + Owner's Seal in serious play and cards can only be considered broken if they're broken in serious play. If that was your 'combo' to use this with, you're making a horribly inconsistent Deck that might pull off unfair wins sometimes, but really isn't consistently broken. The current meta's only target for this is Black Rose Dragon, which deals with your opponent's field on its own. Stardust and Starlight can also see play this meta. If anything, it's significantly LESS broken than 'in the old days' it's also a -2 for you, not counting what you spent to get the monster. Most targets for this would be a -1 to Summon, making this generally more of a +0 total than anything. MBX there really needs to learn to count card advantage. I'd say making it a Quickplay with 2 destruction is probably optimum. Not being a Quickplay really kills this thing's playability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 [quote name='M.B X' timestamp='1295100794' post='4935760'] Maybe i should make something clear for everybody, the card is BROKENZ! Well, not really but Lava Golem and Owners Seal, and to think Griffin said it should be a quick-play lol! Anyway, i think maybe, add some restrictions or lower the destruction amount i mean, you have the ability to destroy up to 3 cards on the entire field for a -1 for you and -3 for your opponent and plus max. of 900 dmg. to them. Boy! Thats a mouthful i mean just keep in mind the current Meta i mean in the old days this would be a powerful card but i mean now really! [/quote] Don't bring in meta when you can't distinguish a balanced card from a broken card. The fact that it requires a Level 7 or higher Fire monster already makes the card balanced, because there really aren't any good Level 7 or higher Fire monsters, other than BRD, and that already nukes, so it would be useless to use it with this card. Really, think before you post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Chess Posted January 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 [quote name='Zandaa Roaisu' timestamp='1295101390' post='4935772'] Don't bring in meta when you can't distinguish a balanced card from a broken card. The fact that it requires a Level 7 or higher Fire monster already makes the card balanced, because there really aren't any good Level 7 or higher Fire monsters, other than BRD, and that already nukes, so it would be useless to use it with this card. Really, think before you post. [/quote] Thanks Zandaa. I searched it, there are only 39 Level 7 or higher FIRE in TCG/OCG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 There's only 26 Gemini, and Gemini Spark is still madly playable - it could be playable with 1, maybe 2 Gemini existing. The thing here isn't quantity, it's quality. Looking down the cards, this is semi-playable in some places. Gemini have Phoenix Gearfried. Sure, it's easy to throw onto the field, but I don't feel it's that broken with it. Jurracs have Giganto, but that mostly only does what BRD does. The most 'abusable' thing I can see is probably UFOTurtle into Darkblaze Dragon, but it's a +1 that requires 2 situational cards, so I wouldn't really call it a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.B X Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 First of all, I always think before i post. And second, if you think a little bit you would realize that the card is in fact slightly Overpowered, since there many ways to abuse it. Being unable to find a perfect deck OR deck-type for it does not mean the card is balanced or underpowered or whatever! Most banned FTKs/OTKs are hard to do and rarely find a good deck to make it work right. Still that doesn't make it okay to unban those cards. [quote]Getting rid of a huge boss is a fair cost I think, but maybe the destruction could be at 2. What do you think about that ? [b]Yes, and i believe you should make the damage a fixed amount![/b][/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Most OTKs aren't banned at all, because they're inconsistent. Do you know there's a Shapesnatch OTK? Do you know why it isn't popular or banned? Because it isn't consistent. This isn't consistent enough to be banned. Also, 900 damage is barely anything. Fixing it is pointless. Being unable to find a perfect Deck for a card DOES mean it's underpowered. If it won't see play anywhere, it can't be broken. It can be bad for the game (this isn't) but that's a different issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Chess Posted January 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Thanks people, specially Griffin. I'll edit it. EDIT- Card edited, what about it now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 It still might be worth reducing the 3 to a 2, but that's the sort of thing that relies mostly on testing IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Chess Posted January 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 [quote name='-Griffin' timestamp='1295106834' post='4935896'] It still might be worth reducing the 3 to a 2, but that's the sort of thing that relies mostly on testing IMO. [/quote] Greatful for opinion. But a boss is a cost high enough for 3. More ideas ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Smeagle Posted January 16, 2011 Report Share Posted January 16, 2011 Reduce destruction to 2? Balderdash! That's no better than Icarus Attack. I suppose you can always nuke a Phoenix Gearfried equipped with a Supervise for +1 *shrug* Could be a game-winning move, even. Also, there's a little card called Phoenixian Cluster Amaryllis that might like to have a word with you. It's too bad Amaryllis is a bit lame by itself, but this card might let it see play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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