Tentacruel Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 [quote name='The Cake Is A Lie' timestamp='1295887565' post='4957346'] Why not get the scoolwork by E-m@il instead so you don't have to leave home? That would be good for me. No friends in my scool, I'm smart so about 70% of the scoolwork is super easy for me and I have a serious problem with the bus. [/quote] You can. It's called homeschooling. Herp de derp. But really, they have online education exactly like you said, you turn in graded work within a specified time and never leave your house. No joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegenderyKingVildeChaya Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 math is easy (at least for me) and PE is kinda fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madsen Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Languages and Math, everything else can go do something inappropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 [quote name='Blesh' timestamp='1296162024' post='4965746'] Languages and Math, everything else can go do something inappropriate. [/quote] No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Math and Science are expanded upon in college for job purposes. They also teach logical thinking on their own. Foreign Languages provide an obvious benefit for the outside world. Physical Education is generally useless for those out of shape, but provides people with access to workout equipment they may otherwise be deprived of. The educational system is well thought-out, but leaves too many people behind. There were always two or three people in my classes of twenty that made me facepalm repeatedly in History classes, and I live in a generally brighter part of the country. And this is where I explain the importance of the Arts, Music, and the such. Our very mentality is defined by what we intake. In a culture where crap reigns supreme, most people are bound to be fools. The arts could do with a tweak depending on the school, but we need them to be able to objectively analyze greatness and be our own human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Î’yakuya Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 [quote name='Bahamut ZERO' timestamp='1295267018' post='4940453'] The purpose of a school is this: To prepare you for life. The current system does not do this. That has always been my opinion of the way schools are run. Half of the stuff that is taught is pointless and irrelevant, and when you're released into the big scary world, you then have to try to learn all the stuff you really needed all along. Not even job specific stuff, I mean everyday life stuff. [color="#FF0000"][b]Dude, we learn mini stuff, and we build on to it so we can get a better understanding in the future for careers and development. You're saying something like daily life and junk. [/b][/color] [b]Subjects that are a complete waste of time as they are[/b]: Geography, RE, Latin (if you're that unfortunate) Art, Music, Drama, DT [color="#FF0000"][b]Who cares it's fun to learn sometimes.[/b][/color] [b]Subjects I find a grey area, and could use re-modelling[/b]: Maths, Science, Languages [color="#FF0000"][b]Well that's what you think.[/b][/color] [b]Subjects that I have no problem with[/b]: English, History, PE, ICT(computers), Business I got pretty much straight A's at GCSEs, but I do not regard myself as intelligent. This is because the stuff I got high marks in, I have no application for in real life. Whereas the everyday stuff I need to know, I'm not very good at. [color="#FF0000"][b]So study more about what you need. Try focusing on other work you need.[/b][/color] Like fixing things around the house. This is why I rage at DT. Rather than making little metal trowels and wooden models, why can't we be given a basic course in something useful, like plumbing, or wiring, or car mechanics? [color="#FF0000"][b] That s*** requires math, science, and more subject backup you need to learn before that. [/b][/color] Forms. I HATE FILLING OUT FORMS!!! Thankfully one aspect I'm good at is accounts and book-keeping, although a lot of people aren't good at money-management. This is something I think maths teachs should deal with, rather than blathring on about sin, cos and tan. I was forever asking "Sir, why do we need to know this?" the answer was always "Because it's on the test." And after that? [color="#FF0000"][b]Umm...Important? Necessary? It ain't matter to me. [/b][/color] Some may say that I'm ripping into all the fun subjects. With these there is a divide in the classroom; the kids who aren't very good and find it a waste of time, and those who love the stuff and become disinterested by doing things that don't push them, or are held back by the former. My answer is this: If you're interested in arts and drama, get an after school club going for like minded people. You'd get a lot more from it than you would fighting with a forced class of bored kids, plus you'd learn from the responsibility of being in a club, and the social aspects of it. If you're musically talented, get a band together, it would be way more fun and productive. Physical Education is an exception, as keeping fit is important, as is teamworking skills. And you don't want to be in a classroom all day. [color="#FF0000"][b]Some people want to be athletes when they grow up. Phys ED is just like practice for those things. [/b][/color] I also think there should be a twice weekly, if not daily discussion about world topics, or general news. There is a half-arsed attempt at this at A-Level called 'General Studies' but it is disengaging. Teachers should sit down with their form class at registration and getting a good old discussion, or better yet a debate on whats going on in the world. This is where I think RE would be most effectively discussed. Discuss the education system. Matt (Bahamut Zero) [/quote] Dude, just live with school. Any information you will know can be helpful in life. Be Patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 I disagreed with this more or less my entire life. Then recently I stopped. Here's what I think. I haven't taken geography my entire life - it's never been offered at any of my schools. And that's a dreadful weakness. I can barely locate my [i]own[/i] state on the map, forget anybody else's. And you all realize that when you collectively join in mocking the celebrity(s) who didn't know where China was or that Africa was a country or whatever, and then say that Geography is pointless, you're being beautifully hypocritical. Geometry is an extremely useful skill. The problem is that vast tracts of your geometry textbooks are devoted to calculating the length/width/area/volume/whatever based on some small piece of information, whereas the only time you [i]won't[/i] be able to get the measurements yourself are DURING YOUR MATH TEST. Also, of course, you need a great deal of preliminary knowledge to take geometry. Algebra is also extremely useful, such as for calculating rates. Then you need square roots to solve quadratic formulas, and...well. English is...um. Well. First of all, English is one of the only modern languages so flawed it needs to be taught to those who speak it AS A FIRST LANGUAGE. Learning a foreign language is definitely important until we get a universal language, which I'm confident will happen, but not for a while. Learning a language is compulsory, but you choose among the languages taught by your school, so you can pick one. In the US, Spanish is probably the most important second language to know. But English is also literature, and...well. A lot of what is read in school is, frankly, not very good. Not that I expect the Epic of Gilgamesh to be genius, seeing as it's fragments of basically the first novel ever written, so no surprise it's rough around the edges. But what point is there to reading Shakespeare, other than to see what Michael Bay sounded like a few hundred years ago (Shakespeare = ye aulde Michael Bay). How about The Prince, or Utopia? Nobody can even decide if the former is satire or not (it isn't), and the latter is just some dull ruminations on a kingdom kind of better than England at the time of writing. Why would I possibly want to read Lord of the Flies - basically what happens if you mixed the Old Testament and Gilligan's Island except played by ten-year-olds? But there's good stuff in English, too: The Crucible, Huck Finn, To Kill a Mockingbird, to name a few. But why do I need to read through the other drivel just to get to those? And why is all this literature required while Film is an elective? Shouldn't I be taught On the Waterfront, High Fidelity, Raging Bull, Casablanca, and other stuff I'm forgetting along with teh literary klassikz? Science is a subject so incredibly important as to defy comprehension. Consider, for the moment, how many people in America do not believe the theory of evolution, or think the Earth is 6,000 years old. Hold that number in your mind. Now, imagine if we stopped teaching science right now. What would happen to that number? Everyone, [i]everyone[/i] who wasn't a scientist would suddenly become privy to the "obvious" "fact" that evolution is false. Disease is caused by an imbalance of "humors". Other crap. Not teaching science is a method of controlling a population, keeping them in poverty and out of that messy "consent of the governed" beeswax. Why brings us to history and government. "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it". The human race suffers from [url="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenreBlindness"]Genre Blindness[/url] and we're the Big Bad whose intricate plans are doomed to fail based solely on the fact that we made them. Knowledge of history also makes you resistant to The Appeal to Tradition. Let me say something I think Ben Franklin would agree with: Those who do not wish to understand their government deserve to be destroyed by it. Suppose, for example, that we didn't KNOW unwarranted wire-tapping was illegal? Or torture? Or exorbitant campaign donations? What's more, if you don't take history and government you're going to get trapped by It's In The Costitution, a highly effective subclass to The Appeal To Tradition (see also Second Amendment). The only ones who respect the Constitution are the ones who aren't going to try to end an argument by saying It's In The Constitution. Great, now that we know that learning these things is important, I can now freely acknowledge that half the methods of teaching actually used are absolute bulls***. School is designed to teach you how to do well on standardized tests. Standardized tests are designed for you to do poorly on standardized tests. Pro system. Related to this is the Essay. Does it communicate its ideas successfully? Good, +5 points. Does it have a three-part thesis statement that makes complete sense when removed from the introduction and is its last sentence? No? -30 POINTS! Does it have your name on it? Yes, but the name is under the date instead of above the date, AND it's on the right, not the left! -10 POINTS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 [i]Geography: A must. [/i] Why the hell would you only mandate basic math yet tell us that we must take geography? The way I see it, any math, no matter HOW useless it is, is more important than geography. I'd rather be mandated to take a general history class. <___< Maybe if more youngsters would know what their major is, schools could make tailor-made schedules starting from ninth grade where you take classes that actually help in college. So instead of taking Bio and Chem, I would have taken Chem and maybe two or three years of Physics. And instead of taking US History, I'd take History of Invention or something. And instead of taking Ceramics, I'd take some electrical course. JUST A THOUGHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1296674269' post='4982364'] [i]Geography: A must. [/i] Why the hell would you only mandate basic math yet tell us that we must take geography? The way I see it, any math, no matter HOW useless it is, is more important than geography. I'd rather be mandated to take a general history class. <___< Maybe if more youngsters would know what their major is, schools could make tailor-made schedules starting from ninth grade where you take classes that actually help in college. So instead of taking Bio and Chem, I would have taken Chem and maybe two or three years of Physics. And instead of taking US History, I'd take History of Invention or something. And instead of taking Ceramics, I'd take some electrical course. JUST A THOUGHT. [/quote] I don't think we should be trying to accommodate for people's ability to choose their major when their 14. That's a pretty rigid thing to promote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dokktorawesome Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 All subjects except English, Math, Science, and Computer are useless. Yeah I like PE and Library but theres no point. And f*ck music art drama and all the other shitload subjects I didnt mention. AND WHY THE F*CK DO WE HAVE TO LEARN ABOUT HISTORY?!!!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 [quote name='yugiohbakuganpokemon' timestamp='1299463033' post='5056907'] All subjects except English, Math, Science, and Computer are useless. Yeah I like PE and Library but theres no point. And f*ck music art drama and all the other shitload subjects I didnt mention. AND WHY THE F*CK DO WE HAVE TO LEARN ABOUT HISTORY?!!!? [/quote] Those who forget the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat it. Besides, if you're living somewhere, you should have at least a rudimentary knowledge of how it GOT to that point; that applies to whichever city you live in, whichever country you live on, and whatever planet you live on equally. Besides, there are a ton of interesting parts of history that tie in wholesale with other subjects, most notably Literature and the Sciences- even math, to a certain degree. Wait, there's a period called 'Library'? Do you mean Study Hall? Because that's not a subject, that's just a free period to finish crap... Or at least it was, where I come from... Aren't Music, Drama and Art all electives? As in, not mandatory? They're creative artforms, and I'm all for kids being able to learn them from people who actually know about, without having to shell out a bajillion dollars for private lessons. There are very few prosperous societies [i]ever[/i] where the creative arts weren't significant components of it- they're quite literally the building blocks of our civilization. You might not get a job with that knowledge, but being able to express yourself creatively is one of those things I think all human beings should get the chance to do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGenuine Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 scool Isn't Unless but its still Stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dokktorawesome Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 [quote name='Hydra of Legend' timestamp='1299546607' post='5059149'] Those who forget the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat it. Besides, if you're living somewhere, you should have at least a rudimentary knowledge of how it GOT to that point; that applies to whichever city you live in, whichever country you live on, and whatever planet you live on equally. Besides, there are a ton of interesting parts of history that tie in wholesale with other subjects, most notably Literature and the Sciences- even math, to a certain degree. Wait, there's a period called 'Library'? Do you mean Study Hall? Because that's not a subject, that's just a free period to finish crap... Or at least it was, where I come from... Aren't Music, Drama and Art all electives? As in, not mandatory? They're creative artforms, and I'm all for kids being able to learn them from people who actually know about, without having to shell out a bajillion dollars for private lessons. There are very few prosperous societies [i]ever[/i] where the creative arts weren't significant components of it- they're quite literally the building blocks of our civilization. You might not get a job with that knowledge, but being able to express yourself creatively is one of those things I think all human beings should get the chance to do... [/quote] Im in 5th grade ok everything you have to do. In library the librarian reads you a book and then you check out books. Oh yes, I forgot to mention F*CK fame. Fame is just we learn about painters and artists. The part that pisses me off is that they take away all of your recess time and then theyre like, "Were sorry go play and have fun now" and theres only 1 minute left and by the time we get to the playground the bell rings and we have to lin up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Just a thought, Current Events should take priority over History. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1299725641' post='5063741'] Just a thought, Current Events should take priority over History. [/quote] You need History to understand Current Events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 [quote name='yugiohbakuganpokemon' timestamp='1299643296' post='5061850'] Im in 5th grade ok everything you have to do. In library the librarian reads you a book and then you check out books. Oh yes, I forgot to mention F*CK fame. Fame is just we learn about painters and artists. The part that pisses me off is that they take away all of your recess time and then theyre like, "Were sorry go play and have fun now" and theres only 1 minute left and by the time we get to the playground the bell rings and we have to lin up. [/quote] Frankly, I'd recommend to your teacher that you [i]repeat[/i] this grade. You don't seem to have the appropriate level of maturity. ... though to be honest, neither does your school. Both History and Current Events are vital. Probably they should mixed as one "World Events" class or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rias Gremory Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 I hate Science HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT! Unless you are gonna be an archeologist, scientist, etc etc Science won't help you for s***. The 4 classes I have no problem with are: Music (since I want to play instruments) , Math (helps on everything), Civics (teaches you about the US History and the laws) , Language Arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flakman4000 Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 [quote name='Mizuki Hoshimigaki' timestamp='1302318129' post='5124097'] I hate Science HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT! Unless you are gonna be an archeologist, scientist, etc etc Science won't help you for s***. [/quote] Don't forget Physicians too ^v^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsianGuy1137 Posted May 12, 2011 Report Share Posted May 12, 2011 [quote]I hate Science HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT! Unless you are gonna be an archeologist, scientist, etc etc Science won't help you for s***. The 4 classes I have no problem with are: Music (since I want to play instruments) , Math (helps on everything), Civics (teaches you about the US History and the laws) , Language Arts [/quote] Hey there, now music, math, and civics are just as arguably useless as science. At least with science, if you're good enough at acting, you can bs your way into the semblance of being smart; also, where would Iron Man be to save the day from communistic oppression if it weren't for science? Then again, I blame the lack of emphasis our society places on education as compared to other Western or influential/successful nations like those in Western Europe or Southeastern Asia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Dralcax Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 For this, I'll focus on core classes. Math: Vital Science: Needs a bit more practicality Language Arts: Grammar, Spelling, and Writing skills, yes. Terms like conjunctions, clauses, and so on: no History/Geography: Useless. Does knowing when the Roman Empire collapsed help you get a good job when you're an adult? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydra of Ages Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 [quote name='Chaos Bakugan' timestamp='1305407649' post='5208494'] Language Arts: Grammar, Spelling, and Writing skills, yes. Terms like conjunctions, clauses, and so on: no [/quote] Wut? "Conjunctions, clauses and so on", as you put it, [b]are[/b] elements of grammar. Exactly why is it necessary to teach certain pieces of grammar but totally ignore other vital components? [quote name='Chaos Bakugan' timestamp='1305407649' post='5208494'] History/Geography: Useless. Does knowing when the Roman Empire collapsed help you get a good job when you're an adult? [/quote] We're talking elementary school here. The point of elementary school isn't to prepare you for a job. That's High School's duty. The point of Elementary school is to educate you on common sense information that every citizen of your native country really should know. Will the fall of the Roman Empire pertain to your field in the future? Not necessarily. However, it was a broad-reaching event that had dire effects on global society as we know it and touches relevance in a broad spectrum of areas; it would be negligent [i]not[/i] to have at least a cursory knowledge of basic Geography and World History. Also, to the person who called Shakespeare 'Ye Olde Michael Bay' and implied Huckleberry Finn had superior literary merit: No. Just no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whirr Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 The magical secret is that the only reason you go to a school is to get a piece of paper that verifies you are at least [i]a little[/i] competent to future employers. The only reason they care if you show up is because of tax revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Lovegood Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='Bahamut ZERO' timestamp='1295267018' post='4940453'] The purpose of a school is this: To prepare you for life. The current system does not do this. That has always been my opinion of the way schools are run. Half of the stuff that is taught is pointless and irrelevant, and when you're released into the big scary world, you then have to try to learn all the stuff you really needed all along. Not even job specific stuff, I mean everyday life stuff. [b]Subjects that are a complete waste of time as they are[/b]: Geography, RE, Latin (if you're that unfortunate) Art, Music, Drama, DT [u][b]I'd argue with this, as Art, Music, and Drama are all useful. They may be less 'sciency' but they do allow for creativity and expression.[/b][/u] [b]Subjects I find a grey area, and could use re-modelling[/b]: Maths, Science, Languages [u][b]I'll argue more with this later[/b][/u] [b]Subjects that I have no problem with[/b]: English, History, PE, ICT(computers), Business I got pretty much straight A's at GCSEs, but I do not regard myself as intelligent. This is because the stuff I got high marks in, I have no application for in real life. Whereas the everyday stuff I need to know, I'm not very good at. Like fixing things around the house. This is why I rage at DT. Rather than making little metal trowels and wooden models, why can't we be given a basic course in something useful, like plumbing, or wiring, or car mechanics? [b][u]Because basic knowledge in these subjects is virtually useless, and you'd be more likely to mess it up.[/u][/b] Forms. I HATE FILLING OUT FORMS!!! Thankfully one aspect I'm good at is accounts and book-keeping, although a lot of people aren't good at money-management. This is something I think maths teachs should deal with, rather than blathring on about sin, cos and tan. I was forever asking "Sir, why do we need to know this?" the answer was always "Because it's on the test." And after that? [b][u]Math is a subject that will actually serve real life purposes. Trigonometry is important if you plan on doing calculus, but more importantly if you plan on doing engineering. If they did not teach this in High School, students would be woefully un-prepared for University. Right now it may seem useless, but in the future you will realize that it was extremely beneficial to learn it.[/u][/b] Some may say that I'm ripping into all the fun subjects. With these there is a divide in the classroom; the kids who aren't very good and find it a waste of time, and those who love the stuff and become disinterested by doing things that don't push them, or are held back by the former. My answer is this: If you're interested in arts and drama, get an after school club going for like minded people. You'd get a lot more from it than you would fighting with a forced class of bored kids, plus you'd learn from the responsibility of being in a club, and the social aspects of it. If you're musically talented, get a band together, it would be way more fun and productive. [u][b]Lot's of people won't get involved in the Arts if it requires time out of school, but they are still very important in your maturation. Read some Shakespeare or explore some poetry, you'll realize some stuff about yourself you didn't even know.[/b][/u] Physical Education is an exception, as keeping fit is important, as is teamworking skills. And you don't want to be in a classroom all day. I also think there should be a twice weekly, if not daily discussion about world topics, or general news. There is a half-arsed attempt at this at A-Level called 'General Studies' but it is disengaging. Teachers should sit down with their form class at registration and getting a good old discussion, or better yet a debate on whats going on in the world. This is where I think RE would be most effectively discussed. [u][b]RE is actually one place I agree with you. [/b][/u] Discuss the education system. Matt (Bahamut Zero) [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut - Envoy of the End Posted June 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 This is still getting comments six months on. Wow, that's kinda awesome, I guess. Had completely forgotten about this but, erm. Opinions haven't changed much still. More people are going to have a car, or a house with things that break and go wrong that they need to fix, than there are people who need calculus (captain obvious). I like doing extra arty stuff, but when you're in a class with people who are bored out of their minds it kind of spoils it. (oh wait, that's all classes). Set in my ways like a grumpy old git. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Lovegood Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 [quote name='Bahamut ZERO' timestamp='1307913738' post='5278401'] This is still getting comments six months on. Wow, that's kinda awesome, I guess. Had completely forgotten about this but, erm. Opinions haven't changed much still. More people are going to have a car, or a house with things that break and go wrong that they need to fix, than there are people who need calculus (captain obvious). I like doing extra arty stuff, but when you're in a class with people who are bored out of their minds it kind of spoils it. (oh wait, that's all classes). Set in my ways like a grumpy old git. [/quote] Yes, so obviously we should cut most blokes so we can actually train everyone to be a carpenter/plumber/mechanic/engineer >.< There isn't enough time to actually do that. You don't need to teach that in High School, there a Trade schools and apprenticeships for that stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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