:bcoe Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 [URL=http://img836.imageshack.us/i/905007880jpgset1bbbbbse.jpg/][IMG]http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/6454/905007880jpgset1bbbbbse.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Uploaded with [URL=http://imageshack.us]ImageShack.us[/URL] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EDIT: POSSIBLE VARIATION. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [URL=http://img545.imageshack.us/i/905007880jpgset1bbbbbse.jpg/][IMG]http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/6454/905007880jpgset1bbbbbse.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Uploaded with [URL=http://imageshack.us]ImageShack.us[/URL] Lore: If your opponent activates a spell or trap card with "Royal" or "Imperial" in its name, you can negate the effect to special summon this card from your hand to the field. Notable cards with Royal: Royal Oppression Royal Decree Royal Tribute Notable cards with Imperial: Imperial Iron Wall Imperial Order - Banned Imperial Custom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysteryman429 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 this would be a good card to put in ur side deck and then if u notice durin a match ur opponent has royal decree(s) and/or royal oppression(s) that they use you could add 1 of these in as an option effect for the next duel but the way this card is right now it being a lvl 5 tuner too makes it overpowered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 It's not really upgraded at all. The only upgraded things are that it's level 5, has slightly higher attack and can be normal summoned, but I'd still run Trap Eater over this (If I would run it) because it has the same SS clause, but with ANY continuous trap your opponent has. [quote name='mysteryman429' timestamp='1297668831' post='5008179'] but the way this card is right now it being a lvl 5 tuner too makes it overpowered [/quote] Wow, never new Quickdraw Synchron was OP'd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysteryman429 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 also the diff between trap eater and this card is that trap eater cannot be normal summoned or set and this can. and quickdraw synchron isnt op'd because it can only be used for the summon of a synchro that lists a "synchron" as a tuner but with this one it doesnt limit to what u can synchro with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='mysteryman429' timestamp='1297669637' post='5008195'] also the diff between trap eater and this card is that trap eater cannot be normal summoned or set and this can. and quickdraw synchron isnt op'd because it can only be used for the summon of a synchro that lists a "synchron" as a tuner but with this one it doesnt limit to what u can synchro with it [/quote] I already noted that it could be normal summoned, and even if Quickdraw has a limited number of synchros, the cost to SS it is a discard, which is a lot easier than waiting for your opponent to activate one of two specific cards that they might not even run, even if it is a minus. It also doesn't help that some of the Synchron Warriors are kick-@$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysteryman429 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 well all i was sayin is i felt that if u have an option for many more synchros in your extra deck then just a certain kind then u would have more of a chance to counter anything ur opponent has...like more powerful than synchrons .. black rose dragon/stardust dragon..etc synchros ..which can change the outcome of the duel but i only meant to apply the bit of op'dness if u kno ur opponent is runnin 3 royal decrees (which some spell heavy decks do) then it would be ..destroy that card..special summon a lvl 5 tuner which can easily bring out a powerful synchro and then if u have a monster reborn or call of haunted it brings the lvl 5 tuner back to synchro again for another powerful synchro even if ur opponent doesnt have royal decree or oppression, easy win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='mysteryman429' timestamp='1297671482' post='5008216'] well all i was sayin is i felt that if u have an option for many more synchros in your extra deck then just a certain kind then u would have more of a chance to counter anything ur opponent has...like more powerful than synchrons .. black rose dragon/stardust dragon..etc synchros ..which can change the outcome of the duel [/quote] Yes, because it is impossible to summon Black Rose or Stardust with lower level tuners. Plus, Black Rose should not be used unless you're running plants or there are 0 other options. I'd much rather get out a nitro Warrior and start beating the opponent to a pulp. The only real way to get anything big out of this quickly is if your opponent did indeed have the mentioned cards, or if you tributed something like Dandylion, and there are plenty of other uses for Dandy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysteryman429 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 apparently i have different duel tactics then you because i play decks differently o and read what i added at the end of my last post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 If your opponent plays either of these cards, you deserve to get this out. But once again, Trap eater is much more versitile at the cost of 1 level. The only real advantage this has is level eater.Oh, and 1 last arguement about level 5 being OP'd, they're making a level 5 and level 6 Blackwing Tuners in Extreme victory, and if they're making those guys, this isn't much of a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Ash Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote]Yes, because it is impossible to summon Black Rose or Stardust with lower level tuners. Plus, Black Rose should not be used unless you're running plants or there are 0 other options. I'd much rather get out a nitro Warrior and start beating the opponent to a pulp.[/quote] Black Rose Dragon is a staple in any Extra Deck. It changes games all on it's own, why wouldn't you use it wherever possible? OT: Card has some use, especially due to Royal Decree being pretty popular nowadays. Probably side-able, let down by the fact it would be more or less a dead-draw if your opponent prefers their Solemn's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='.:Snowy:.' timestamp='1297702727' post='5008425'] Black Rose Dragon is a staple in any Extra Deck. It changes games all on it's own, why wouldn't you use it wherever possible? [/quote] If you're serious, still doesn't change the fact that it would be much easier to use something like Debris Dragon to get it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Ash Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='Metagross386' timestamp='1297709425' post='5008612'] If you're serious, still doesn't change the fact that it would be much easier to use something like Debris Dragon to get it out. [/quote] Of course it would be. Debris Dragon + Dandylion is the most used way to bring out BRD, and the easiest way to abuse it. Doesn't change the fact that having a self SS'ing Tuner that brings itself out at no cost can make the higher level Synchro's a bit easier to pull off, while freeing up the field from what are normally two fairly effective and widely-used Traps. Situational as it may be, it can be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysteryman429 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 even if those traps are not on the field..this card can easily be special summoned from gy via many diff cards effects or tribute summoned when possible and boom u got a lvl 5 tuner to bring out a game changer synchro monster and then use it again to synchro another if u can get it out of gy again @ metagross : and if u say they are makin lvl 5 / 6 blackwing tuners .... they probably will be only able to summon "blackwing" synchros , which only gives u limited options from your extra deck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 BUS: Bad Useless Situational Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Ash Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 It wouldn't be used if those traps aren't on the field. Tribute Summoning is too slow unless the end product is worthwhile - monsters like Caius the Shadow Monarch. Now what are the other methods of Special Summoning this card? Cards like Monster Reborn / Call of the Haunted spring to mind, but would not likely revive this, more likely something that can change things immediately, or just push for the game. By the time this card hit's the Grave, there really ought to be better targets for those cards than this. No, this cards best feature is it's Special Summoning condition, and is likely the only reason it would see any play other than being left in the Side Deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysteryman429 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 actually i disagree... since its a DARK monster this card can be used in DARK support decks and can be easily sent to graveyard from deck or hand (like with Dark Grepher) then once its in gy u can use it for Dark Armed Dragon or if u have support card to special summon it can be a tuner to bring out powerful synchro ...so imo it can be used with those decks effectively... not to mention its own effect but yes i do agree this would be a good side deck card like i previously mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Ash Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 It really doesn't matter what it's Attribute is. If you want Dark Armed Dragon, you have much better alternatives for cards to send to the Grave with Dark Grepher. If you're playing this card just so you can dump it with Grepher, then you're playing wrong. As it is, it's side-able at best, simply because it's too situational. You can point out DARK support all you want, Saggi the Dark Clown is DARK - it doesn't matter unless the card itself is actually worth playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysteryman429 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 i didnt say just use dark grepher for it ...i was just givin 1 example... but anyway yes side deck would be the best choice for this card and then after 1st duel of a match if u think it would be useful to deck then go ahead but other than that this wouldnt be a staple card in a deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Deal with it. This card is terrible and will never be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:bcoe Posted February 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Good comments. Ya this was sort of meant as a side deck card. I don't think it being a dark card gives it any real advantage especially since its a fish type and not a fiend type or something like that which are common in dark decks. I agree with snowy that tributing is almost dead in this format (too slow) except for caius or bamboo shoot who's effects are way better than this so I don't think that makes it overpowered for a tuner especially since 7 and 8 star synchros aren't that hard to make. And ya its a very situational card but its definitely playable in my opinion in a side deck for decks which rely on royal decree as there only trap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:bcoe Posted February 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 EDIT: New variation. Any Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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