Glоrious Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 I made thread in polls about this. Not much replies (should've been in a discussion thread anyway). Anyway, your thoughts? Capital punishment seems to be more "humane", so to speak, as the ages come and go. Personally, I feel capital punishment is necessary for major criminal offenses like rape, murder, and (of course) treason. Life sentences are much more devastating and seem even more inhumane than a legal execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 The debate section already has sumtin about this i think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glоrious Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 This is not a debate thread. I wanna know peoples positions on Capital Punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Phoenix Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Eh it is extremely expensive due to all the extra investigation procedures done to make sure they did it (I thought that's what the trials were for...). Although depending on how long they live, the costs of their prison upkeep can potentially exceed the cost of administering the death penalty. Death penalty costs usually average somewhere around a million dollars. I ran some numbers a while ago, and the average cost for life in the US is around $37000 per year (The high end being somewhere around 50,000 I believe). Depending on how old they are, death penalty can save more money in the long run. Of course, there are some heinous crimes that just deserve death. Like if some guy brutally raped and murdered 5 infants. Most places use lethal injection now. There's at least one state where firing squad is still an option, and I think that was handled stupidly: You've got 8 guys shooting at the person, and like 1 or 2 of the guns are loaded with blanks. They fire a full clip. This is a huge waste of money. You only need one guy to deliver a single fatal shot. The reasoning for the blanks is so that nobody knows who wound up killing the guy. This strikes me as silly: why would you be on a firing squad if you were afraid of that? The more obvious downside to the death penalty being: if they get proven innocent later then....whoops =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarbleZone Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 This is still pretty much a Debate, and I didn't find any recent ones about this (Corporal punishment is different), so I'm moving it. It'll allow for a more educated discussion, hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 I'm generally opposed to the death penalty due to the room for error but I don't think it should be outlawed. Just rendered something that very specific people would get, I.E simply being alive poses a significant risk to the safety of the prison/people/country/etc. Also you shouldn't punish someone for their crimes in a vengeful way imo. Justice =/= payback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glоrious Posted February 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 [quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1298575654' post='5031755'] I'm not exactly sure. I'm generally opposed to the death penalty due to the room for error but I don't think it should be outlawed. Just rendered something that very specific people would get, I.E simply being alive poses a significant risk to the safety of the prison/people/country/etc. [b]Also you shouldn't punish someone for their crimes in a vengeful way imo. Justice =/= payback[/b] [/quote] Justice isn't payback. It's not a children's game <.< It's a warning and an effort to reduce crime. Without justice, crime would be at a much greater scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 [quote name='Glоrious' timestamp='1298576596' post='5031802'] Justice isn't payback. It's not a children's game <.< It's a warning and an effort to reduce crime. Without justice, crime would be at a much greater scale. [/quote] I know I said that justice =/= payback >_> People shouldn't be saying that "x" person deserves to die. That's just not how it should work. It's satisfying to kill someone for killing another person, but it has no other benefit then that, and -doesn't- decrease the crime rate at all (unless something changed in the past few years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Multiple studies have shown that the death penalty is no more effective as a deterrent than a life sentence. Some studies have shown that administration of the death penalty can be more expensive than a life term in prison. Our justice system is not about tit for tat, only about preventing crime. Sometimes our courts convict the wrong guy, and there HAVE been erroneous executions before. Unfortunately, you can't undo that. There's an obvious conclusion here: Except in that rare (read: nonexistent in a civilized nation like our own) case where a criminal is so dangerous that he/she is likely to break out of prison, the death penalty is an all-around dumb idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Personally, I think that for an execution, the weight of evidence must be even heavier than for other sentences. Also, instead of keeping someone on death row, why not just... you know... Bang? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1298582777' post='5032048'] Personally, I think that for an execution, the weight of evidence must be even heavier than for other sentences. Also, instead of keeping someone on death row, why not just... you know... Bang? [/quote] Death Row is the process you just described above. It's the term for a prisoner who's been sentenced, but is still involved in the automatic appeals process -- which can take years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 [quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1298575654' post='5031755'] I'm generally opposed to the death penalty due to the room for error but I don't think it should be outlawed. Just rendered something that very specific people would get, I.E simply being alive poses a significant risk to the safety of the prison/people/country/etc. Also you shouldn't punish someone for their crimes in a vengeful way imo. Justice =/= payback [/quote] Any imprisonment or capital punishment isn't necesserily payback, they do it to remove dangerous people from society. On the subject of death penalty, I'm generally for it because you see people slaughtering people and then getting put in a comfortable room with a load of luxuries. Although some people see this as even worse, because they value their freedom above all, the people who actually deserve death penalty are often not really bothered about prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 [quote name='The Dark One' timestamp='1298607130' post='5032817'] Death Row is the process you just described above. It's the term for a prisoner who's been sentenced, but is still involved in the automatic appeals process -- which can take years. [/quote] -______________________________________________________________________________________- I just failed a little didn't I... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 I think execution is the best thing. No other suffering is necessary. Just an immediate kill for whatever wrongdoing they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit of DMG Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Here's all I'm saying. If a man murders a Grandmother, a Mother, and a Daughter for no reason, shoot him. And schedule it to take place at 1:00 AM the day they set clocks forward an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 We are not a barbaric country that kills people for their crimes. Unless you are under the assumption that there is a hell, it would be more painful for a prisoner to spend his entire life in jail as opposed to being given a lethal injection and dropping dead. I feel that almost nothing warrants capital punishment, even if you have a serial killer that killed thousands of people. He could be guilty for every single murder, but how are you going to say that it warrants his death? You have no right to choose whether he lives or dies, but because he is a thread to society, you remove him and stick him in a jail cell. This also has implications since our jails fill up and cost taxpayers a ton of money, but it's better than being known as a barbaric country where we kill the criminals for no apparent reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit of DMG Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 ummm, dude, I'd say unprovoked murder, or any killing that's not self-defense, should probably be met with the death penalty. Now, tell me, if they killed several people, how is it "no apparent reason?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1299902157' post='5067732'] We are not a barbaric country that kills people for their crimes. Unless you are under the assumption that there is a hell, it would be more painful for a prisoner to spend his entire life in jail as opposed to being given a lethal injection and dropping dead. I feel that almost nothing warrants capital punishment, even if you have a serial killer that killed thousands of people. He could be guilty for every single murder, but how are you going to say that it warrants his death? You have no right to choose whether he lives or dies, but because he is a thread to society, you remove him and stick him in a jail cell. This also has implications since our jails fill up and cost taxpayers a ton of money, but it's better than being known as a barbaric country where we kill the criminals for no apparent reason. [/quote] Says the guy who suggested randomly killing people to reduce the population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1299963536' post='5069321'] Says the guy who suggested randomly killing people to reduce the population. [/quote] If overpopulation becomes a big enough problem then people are going to start dropping dead [b]anyways[/b]. I'd rather have some poor man in Haiti that has no job to die than have a college kid die. But it's quite obvious you don't understand my opinions in both the overpopulation topic and in this capital punishment topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1299967752' post='5069465'] If overpopulation becomes a big enough problem then people are going to start dropping dead [b]anyways[/b]. I'd rather have some poor man in Haiti that has no job to die than have a college kid die. But it's quite obvious you don't understand my opinions in both the overpopulation topic and in this capital punishment topic. [/quote] Wouldn't you rather have a convicted criminal with a life sentence die than have a college student die? The thing is, if someone is in prison for life, why the hell not? If we're going to execute people because of resource conservation and overpopulation, there should be no reason not to execute someone who is using up resources and is going to spend their whole life rotting away anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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