Vampires v2

[Donvermicelli]

[quote name='Tsukasa Hiiragi' timestamp='1302515680' post='5130354']
Has anyone else noticed how abusable Plaguespreader Vampire is? Synch with your RFP'd Mezuki for level 6, instant Mezuki reuse. I'd say at least make it use something in the Graveyard and RFP both cards.
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I could limit it so it can only be used for Zombie type synchro's but that would remove part of it's versatility. What would you suggest as a nerf?

Buffed Dracula a bit pls comment:

[quote]You can only control 1 "Dracula the Vampire King". This card can only be special summoned by tributing 3 "Vampire" monsters you control. When this card inflicts Battle Damage to your opponent, send the top three cards of their Deck to the Graveyard. If this card is destroyed and sent from the field to your Graveyard, it is Special Summoned to your side of the field during your next Standby Phase after it's destruction. 3200 ATK/ 2100 DEF[/quote]

[Kito]

vapms already hav an ability in yu gi oh they make u mill a spe;; trap or monster from deck, itf your making a newer different type og them might want to call them like ancient vmpier or somthing, just a thought.

[Donvermicelli]

[quote name='Kito' timestamp='1302534677' post='5130721']
vapms already hav an ability in yu gi oh they make u mill a spe;; trap or monster from deck, itf your making a newer different type og them might want to call them like ancient vmpier or somthing, just a thought.
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Not all vamps have that specific effect, Vampire's Curse resurrects itself at the cost of 500 lifepoints and increases his attack by 500 that way.
Bloodsucker and redmoon baby (both vampire cards) have different effects. The idea is to have this set compliment on the original type and make it more playable.

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

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Has anyone else noticed how abusable Plaguespreader Vampire is? Synch with your RFP'd Mezuki for level 6, instant Mezuki reuse. [b]I'd say at least make it use something in the Graveyard and RFP both cards.[/b]
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[Donvermicelli]

I don't think have a target in the graveyard would fix it, I can still select Mezuki bringing it back anyways. Besides the grave material would still be in the grave so nothing would change.

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

[quote name='Donvermicelli' timestamp='1302545202' post='5130976']
I don't think have a target in the graveyard would fix it, I can still select Mezuki bringing it back anyways. Besides the grave material would still be in the grave so nothing would change.
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That's why I said remove the tuner and the monster in the Grave from play.

[Donvermicelli]

[quote name='Tsukasa Hiiragi' timestamp='1302545626' post='5130991']
That's why I said remove the tuner and the monster in the Grave from play.
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I'll try seeing how that works, I think that opens up more options for Foolish burial resulting in even faster synchro.

[Psych0tic]

[quote name='goldeneagle' timestamp='1302514528' post='5130334']
The "This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set" part of the text isn't completely necessary, as the "This card can only be Special Summoned by..." part automatically gives it semi-nomi status, ensuring that it can't be normal-summoned or set.
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To quote http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Semi-Nomi, "Semi-Nomi monsters are monsters with the text "This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned..."." So technically, it still needs that as part of the card text.

Sorry. This is my pedanticism talking here.
Other than that, I agree with Tsukasa about Plaguespreader. You opponent BTHs your monster, you flick it back into the graveyard and get a Synchro monster. And Mezuki abuse
Maybe try making it "the other Synchro Material Monster is 1 "Vampire" monster in your removed from play zone." That means Mezuki is exempt and you have to get the monster there first.

[Goldeneagle]

[quote name='Psych0tic' timestamp='1302588392' post='5132692']
To quote http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Semi-Nomi, "Semi-Nomi monsters are monsters with the text "This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned..."." So technically, it still needs that as part of the card text.

Sorry. This is my pedanticism talking here.
Other than that, I agree with Tsukasa about Plaguespreader. You opponent BTHs your monster, you flick it back into the graveyard and get a Synchro monster. And Mezuki abuse
Maybe try making it "the other Synchro Material Monster is 1 "Vampire" monster in your removed from play zone." That means Mezuki is exempt and you have to get the monster there first.
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Wrong. To quote http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Semi-Nomi, "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning" is a example of a Special Summon-only monster. If you look at the first line of its card text, you will clearly see that it is missing the 'This card cannot be normal summoned or set' part, and yet it is still treated as a semi-nomi.

I agree with your suggestion of making it 1 removed from play 'vampire' monster though.

[Ieyasu Tokugawa]

[quote name='goldeneagle' timestamp='1302603811' post='5132909']
Wrong. To quote http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Semi-Nomi, "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning" is a example of a Special Summon-only monster. If you look at the first line of its card text, you will clearly see that it is missing the 'This card cannot be normal summoned or set' part, and yet it is still treated as a semi-nomi.

I agree with your suggestion of making it 1 removed from play 'vampire' monster though.
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Dark Revolution 2 reprinted the card to include the "This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set"

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Errata:Black_Luster_Soldier_-_Envoy_of_the_Beginning

[Goldeneagle]

And then master collection volume 2 reprinted it again without the 'This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set' part. So such cards might be rare, but if a card does just say 'this card can only be special summoned by...' then it is automatically assumed to be semi-nomi. However, it might be a good idea to add the first line of text on to avoid confusion - I was arguing earlier against someone thinking that it could be normal summoned/set because of the absence of the first line of text, not against the fact that the card [b]should[/b] have the first line of text on it.

[Psych0tic]

[quote name='goldeneagle' timestamp='1302603811' post='5132909']
Wrong. To quote http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Semi-Nomi, "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning" is a example of a Special Summon-only monster. If you look at the first line of its card text, you will clearly see that it is missing the 'This card cannot be normal summoned or set' part, and yet it is still treated as a semi-nomi.

I agree with your suggestion of making it 1 removed from play 'vampire' monster though.
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Touché. I will concede the point. However in order to clarify for noobs like myself, it probably should contain that first line (as you have said).

Yay, I'm not always making myself look like a retard!

[Donvermicelli]

I like the suggestion posted so I will change the card +rep for you
Next card should be up in a few.

[Donvermicelli]

Bump Need feedback.

[Psych0tic]

[quote name='Donvermicelli' timestamp='1302609647' post='5132978']
I like the suggestion posted so I will change the card +rep for you
Next card should be up in a few.
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Thanks.
Maybe something like "Dracula, Bane of the Living" for the synchro name?
Just a suggestion, maybe you should make a card that allows you to RFP a Vampire for some beneficial effect? That way Plaguespreader is less situational and easier to use. Maybe something like "Remove from play 2 "Vampire" monsters from your graveyard. Destroy 1 card on the field. Then you can Special Summon 1 Level 4 or lower "Vampire" monster from your hand." as a Trap?

[Donvermicelli]

[quote name='Psych0tic' timestamp='1302686450' post='5135022']
Thanks.
Maybe something like "Dracula, Bane of the Living" for the synchro name?
Just a suggestion, maybe you should make a card that allows you to RFP a Vampire for some beneficial effect? That way Plaguespreader is less situational and easier to use. Maybe something like "Remove from play 2 "Vampire" monsters from your graveyard. Destroy 1 card on the field. Then you can Special Summon 1 Level 4 or lower "Vampire" monster from your hand." as a Trap?
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Hmm I like the idea somewhat but wouldn't that make him like 1400 attack weaker? might be a good balance though..

[Psych0tic]

[quote name='Donvermicelli' timestamp='1302704229' post='5135329']
Hmm I like the idea somewhat but wouldn't that make him like 1400 attack weaker? might be a good balance though..
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It would, assuming that he is on the field when you activate it. However, it could also make him easier to summon. For example, use its effect to remove from play Dracula and another Vampire, destroy an opponents card and special summon Plaguespreader Vampire. Then Synchro Summon Dracula 2 (seeing as its name is undecided still lol) using Plaguespreader and Dracula, returning Dracula to the graveyard, thus only decreasing Dracula 2's theoretical attack by 700. It can also make Dracula the Vampire King easier to summon by special summoning a monster.
I did come up with other advantages and reasons for it but I forgot them ;

Oh yeah. Seeing as Dracula 2 is a spirit monster, its attack change will only affect it temporarily and when it is summoned again it is highly likely that you will have more Vampires in the grave, making it stronger than it was first time.

There was another one too but I still can't remember it...

[Donvermicelli]

+rep for good comment.

And also: BUMP

[Dmzi the Dark Shadow]

They are quite good, I'd give it 9.5/10 No oCg errors.... Unless I passed any over, all though you should make at least one more non powerful moster, say another tuner?

[Donvermicelli]

Added a new low-level monster that can remove cards from play.
Updated Dracula synchro.

Rates/fixes please.

[Donvermicelli]

Made this card after a suggestion was made:
[spoiler=[b]NEW[/b]- Agas, Vampire Doomsayer][img]http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8363/247033.jpg[/img]

Once per turn, while you control another "Vampire" monster with a different name, you can declare 1 card type (Monster, Spell or Trap). Your opponent selects 1 card of that type from their Deck and sends it to the Graveyard. This monster cannot declare an attack during the turn this effect is used. While this card is in your Graveyard you can remove it and another "Vampire" monster in your Graveyard from play to send the top four cards from your opponent's Deck to the Graveyard.[/spoiler]

[Donvermicelli]

BUMP

[Psych0tic]

Sorry, I was staying at a friends place so I couldn't come on. Nice card; fits the already existing Vampire cards and the straight mill goes with Dracula 1. Only problem is its lack of survivability.
Now I want to make a Vampire deck

[Donvermicelli]

Enough support to keep it afloat and while it's in grave it helps setting up targets for plague AND mills.
I'm trying to work out a bit more original effect for the field spell but I dunno what to do with it.
Any ideas?

[spoiler= The Dark Castle]Once per turn, during the Main Phase, the turn player can discard 1 Zombie-Type monster to destroy all monsters on the field. If this effect is used, the turn player cannot Normal Summon or Set that turn. [/spoiler]

[Psych0tic]

[quote name='Donvermicelli' timestamp='1302984150' post='5143574']
Enough support to keep it afloat and while it's in grave it helps setting up targets for plague AND mills.
I'm trying to work out a bit more original effect for the field spell but I dunno what to do with it.
Any ideas?

[spoiler= The Dark Castle]Once per turn, during the Main Phase, the turn player can discard 1 Zombie-Type monster to destroy all monsters on the field. If this effect is used, the turn player cannot Normal Summon or Set that turn. [/spoiler]
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Well that effect would basically just allow you to use it because it's unlikely your opponent will actually have any Zombie-Type monsters in their hand.
What about something like
"Once per turn, you can Special Summon 1 Level 4 or lower "Vampire" monster from your Graveyard. During your End Phase, send the monster summoned with this effect to the graveyard. When you do, you can discard 1 card to activate one of these effects:
[list]
[*]Send 1 card your opponents controls to the graveyard.
[*]Send the top 3 cards of your opponents deck to the graveyard.
[/list]You cannot Normal Summon or Set a monster the turn you activate this cards effect."

Helps with field control and bringing out Dracula 1 but comes with a downside and still conforms with the milling/SS effect Vamps have. Dunno if it is too OP though.