Christianity... Good or bad?

[Sunshine Jesse]

There are historcal records that Jesus existed and taught what the bible said he taught. Whether what he taught was the truth is a different matter.

[Citation needed]

[Dark]

Dark, no offense, but shut up. Apparently you know everything about religion because you were forced to sacrifice every Sunday to it as a small child.

 

Do you ever make sense? I never claimed to know "everything" about religion, nor do I want to know "everything" about religion. You just had to reply back to my post with a lazy and stupid counterargument. If you can't understand the logic I was using, fine. If you can't understand the vocabulary I was using, get a damn dictionary. But if you are going to respond to my post, at least make a bit of sense, and at least try to not make retarded assumptions because that is all your brain can produce.

 

And yes, I spent seven or eight years going to religious services. And yes, I hated it. And yes, I was also fed religion and it was shoved down my throat like all of you brainwashed fools. But I was able to escape from it. I'm glad I'm an atheist, I'm glad I'm not part of these religions that you find so stimulating and important, and I'm glad that I'm nothing like you people. If you can't even think of a decent argument to my post, don't come to these threads. If you can't handle the debates, don't try to act intelligent by posting in religious threads. Why don't you learn something about the religion you are a part of before fighting for it?

 

[Citation needed]

 

The Bible.

[Guest Identity Unknown]

and at least try to not make retarded assumptions because that is all your brain can produce.

But you have been doing the same thing with Christianity...

[Dark]

But you have been doing the same thing with Christianity...

 

Have I? I have been using stereotypes to show that many people who believe in Christianity have incorrect and/or illogical beliefs. Never have I made a blatant assumption about Christian people, like saying all of them believe Jews deserve to go to hell. When I make arguments about religion, I try not to make blatant or stupid assumptions, because people who are arguing against me might make stupid assumptions and base their arguments off of them. Would you care to show me where I've made an assumption about Christianity? I'd love to see it.

[Tentacruel]

And yes, I spent seven or eight years going to religious services. And yes, I hated it. And yes, I was also fed religion and it was shoved down my throat like all of you brainwashed fools. But I was able to escape from it. I'm glad I'm an atheist, I'm glad I'm not part of these religions that you find so stimulating and important, and I'm glad that I'm nothing like you people. If you can't even think of a decent argument to my post, don't come to these threads. If you can't handle the debates, don't try to act intelligent by posting in religious threads. Why don't you learn something about the religion you are a part of before fighting for it?

Aww... umad?

 

Dude, give it a rest. You're just repeating the same tired rants.

 

Also...

 

 

Have I? I have been using stereotypes to show that many people who believe in Christianity have incorrect and/or illogical beliefs. Never have I made a blatant assumption about Christian people, like saying all of them believe Jews deserve to go to hell. When I make arguments about religion, I try not to make blatant or stupid assumptions, because people who are arguing against me might make stupid assumptions and base their arguments off of them. Would you care to show me where I've made an assumption about Christianity? I'd love to see it.

 

And yes, I was also fed religion and it was shoved down my throat like all of you brainwashed fools.

[Dark]

Dude, give it a rest. You're just repeating the same tired rants.

 

You're countering with the same shitty arguments you always have. Why should I change my argument from thread to thread when fifty threads have gone by and you still haven't thought of a counter?

 

And yes, I was also fed religion and it was shoved down my throat like all of you brainwashed fools.

 

Assuming I was actually implying all of you were brainwashed fools, I would have been talking about all religions, not just Christianity.

 

> assuming I was actually implying

[Yasu]

Am I telling everyone to become atheist? No, atheist doesn't mean a lack of religion, although it heavily implies one. Believe in a god if you want, I don't really care much, but why bog yourself down following one religion? Assuming one out of all of the religions is right, the chance I'm going to hell is 100%. The chance you're going to hell is 99.5%.

 

Magic and miracles are awesome because they rape probability in the ▓▓▓.

 

Assuming, per week, one goes to church two hours per week (including praying time at home), the average person spends 104 hours per year devoted to a religion. Over a 70-year lifetime, that is 7280 hours, or 303 full days spend solely on religion. And that's erring on the lower side.

 

How's that bad?

 

Most humans waste 4 hours a day with their monophasic sleep pattern (8 hours).

That's 1134 hours/year.

Over a 70-year lifetime, that is 79380 hours, or 3307 full days (9 years), more than 10%.

[Dark]

Magic and miracles are awesome because they rape probability in the ▓▓▓.

 

Sucks that magic doesn't exist and that miracles are just gaps in probability, not the work of god as some people claim it to be. Probability doesn't define whether something is going to happen or not, it just says how often something may happen. Also, if one religion out of all of them is correct, it's already predetermined, so it's really just a 100% chance or a 0% chance. Since we don't know that, however, it turns out to be a probability statement assuming the religion was randomly chosen from the start. Also, considering I'm also half Pastafarian, I think I have only a 97.5% chance to go to hell. Saved a good 2.5% there. <3

 

Nice censor.

 

Most humans waste 4 hours a day with their monophasic sleep pattern (8 hours).

 

Not everybody is capable of starting a sleep pattern that requires less than four hours of sleep a day. I know it's possible, and people have gotten it down to two hours of just pure REM sleep, but it's simply not possible for everyone to achieve. You can't really start out as a baby doing something other than a monophasic sleep pattern (and babies sleep for the majority of the day, anyways), and as you get older it's something you either have to force yourself to do or it's not an available option. The standard sleep pattern requires eight hours where one-fourth of that is REM sleep, so you can't say it's wasting time when it's recommended to use such a pattern. Religious services, however, are both not required and essentially useless (at least sleep gives you a period of rest), so it really is "wasting" 300 days.

[MarbleZone]

We've had way too many of these, and people just can't keep it together. In the future, make this sort of thread in Debates - or, ideally, don't make them at all.

[CinnamonStar]

Sorry if I'm looking like "baww b**** is having the last word just cause she's a mod", I don't want to come over like that and my PM box is open and all.

I'm going to remove this after a while so that the section mod can have the last word which is better. :lol:

 

I find it extremely sad that my name had to be mentioned before I posted on this thread. There have been religious threads that I haven't posted on because the arguments were either entirely off-topic, or they were good. When people post terrible arguments that have easy counters, I feel as if I'm obliged to call their stupidity out. Maybe if you religious folks would stop praying for five seconds to think of a decent argument, I'd have to actually get over the shock of a mediocre argument, and maybe my post would be delayed by an hour or two.

 

So, let's summarize!

 

The majority of...

 

Christians are against abortion.

Christians are against gay rights.

Christians are close-minded in thinking.

Christians follow their religion blindly.

 

Christianity...

 

Unfortunately plays a big role in the US Government.

Is the main selling point of a Republican's argument.

Is a religion where you must believe in their god to go to heaven.

Has not been proven to be true, any part of it, and it never will be.

 

Let's not forget that if you want to consider the Bible as something you "interpret", I can interpret it to say that I should kill every single person that doesn't believe in Jesus Christ and sucks his dick every other night. Meaning we'd all be dead. You cannot "interpret" something correctly because an interpretation implies subjectivity. The Bible is obviously not written where you can pull anything objective from it, so for all of you that say extremists "interpret the Bible incorrectly", you are stupid and wholly incorrect. They "interpret the Bible" differently. They are just as wrong as you all are.

 

To the person who made the Muslims associated with 9/11 comment, why is that an immoral way of thinking? It was proven that the attacks on 9/11, assuming they were not premeditated, were developed and enacted by Islam extremists. If someone were to say terrorism, I would think Islam because a majority of the modern terrorists are part of Al Queda, which is an Islamic-based group. It's the same as associating America with obesity; it's factual that we have a high obestiy rate, but you are generalizing. Generalizations are true sometimes, but not for the entire population they represent. Get that through your skull.

 

People constantly say that the Bible or the Koran say not to kill anybody. Again, are you the person that wrote that? For all we know, the person who wrote those books could have been telling us to kill people, as that might have been God's or Allah's wish. When you say that the Bible teaches acceptance and not ignorance, you are assuming your own interpretation of the Bible is correct. I believe Noah's Ark and all of the other stories just give you a descriptive way to suck Jesus' dick, and the main goal of Christianity is the suck his dick as many times as possible before you die. It's hard to do, but if you believe in God with enough power, he'll help you. How are you going to prove me wrong? It's my interpretation, and nobody knows what the true meaning of the Bible is.

 

Also, protip. The next time you meet your god, tell him that he ought to make his books either more objective and not open to interpretation, or not to write books at all. I swear, that jabroni writes so damn subjectively that no one knows what he is talking about half of the time. Maybe if he would write more objectively (or just appear in my bedroom so I can be sure he exists and therefore will believe in him), shitty arguments like those in this thread wouldn't exist.

 

The point of religion earlier was to control a large amount of people by telling them that Big Brother was watching. If I put a gun to your head and told you to eat M&Ms off of the ground, you will. If I told you to lick my crotch, you will. So if you are fed from a young age that you must do xyz and abc, otherwise you are going to hell (and hell is bad), you will do xyz and abc without thinking. It becomes second-nature, similar to how we breathe so we can live. When I raise my kids, and shoot me in the forehead if I don't, I won't expose them to any religion or atheism until they are sixteen, and tell them to choose whatever religion they want. Maybe once they have actual logic they'll decide for themselves what is right. If you are fed ANYTHING at a young age, chances are you'll buy it because "mommy and daddy and that rapist at the church said so".

 

Also, what historical records of Jesus? Yeah, some man named Jesus existed during the time period that the Bible illustrates. And so did a man named Bob. And Mike. And Josh. There is no documented evidence that anything in the Old Testament and most of the New Testament actually happened, and there is no documented nor scientific evidence of any of the supposed miracles that Jesus performed. We have documented primary and secondary documents of George Washington and the Ottoman Empire and random crap I learned in history class, but we have no documented evidence of the Jesus of Nazarath, nor will we ever. So why believe in something you can't even confirm to be true? Rather, why believe in something that will never have any evidence for or against it?

 

This is probably an overly long post for no reason, and chances are most of you morons don't even have the attention span to read five lines of this post. Fine, so be it. I would just like to make it perfectly clear that one doesn't need religion to "be at peace with oneself" or to "have hope in life". This isn't even about believing in a deity, that is completely seperate from religions. Tying oneself to a religion is tying oneself to a close-minded group of people where getting converts is the main goal. I remember in once instance, a Catholic pastor wrote an article expressing his concern that Islamic families have many kids, which is why the world population has more Muslims than Christians. Religion harms more than it helps, and any "benefit" of religion is psychological at best, where you wouldn't even need religion to get those benefits if you weren't in a religion from a young age.

 

Am I telling everyone to become atheist? No, atheist doesn't mean a lack of religion, although it heavily implies one. Believe in a god if you want, I don't really care much, but why bog yourself down following one religion? Assuming one out of all of the religions is right, the chance I'm going to hell is 100%. The chance you're going to hell is 99.5%.

 

Assuming, per week, one goes to church two hours per week (including praying time at home), the average person spends 104 hours per year devoted to a religion. Over a 70-year lifetime, that is 7280 hours, or 303 full days spend solely on religion. And that's erring on the lower side.

 

Overall I agree with many things, but not with the whole "the majority are like this or that, spend so-and-so-much of their time utterly and unquestionably devoted to sitting in a church or being tied to a religion, etc".

 

I and some others have been saying this before but apparently someone else doesn't have the attention span to read some lines.

WHERE is your proof that religious people, including Christians, have to go to some kind of building or else they're out, are praying half of the time (or even praying at all) and have to live in some kind of close-minded community where everyone believes into exactly the same stuff and can't live outside of the religion they're tied to? Ever heard of personal religiosity/spiritualism? Which is often different even when it's a part of organized (I call it external) religion?

For that matter, where's your proof that "a majority of Christians are against abortion, gay rights, Republican, close-minded and following their religion blindly"? I don't trust big surveys that try to make a picture of a whole continent so that's out.

 

But here I have a different study: In one of the local churches (I think Roman Catholic) in my city, a study was made and it came out that around 30% of the people there believe into reincarnation. What would you make out of this? I know it doesn't apply to every place, it's not "traditional Christianity from the Middle Ages", it's not written in the Bible and might exceed some people's expectations. But it's still there.

 

I'm also looking into an exposition where people were interrogated and even on the "big world religions" pages I didn't see a word about anti-abortion, anti-gay and whatnot. But they were people all over the spectrum, including but not just priests so I guess some people won't count it since obviously extremist priests and angry protestors are the only source of religious study.

 

Seriously, if you still think that everyone who considers himself religious in some way (in this topic Christianity but I noticed it's usually Christianity on YCM) even goes to church, spends tons of time only devoted to his religion and is generally an over-zealous, close-minded nut, then I'm wondering who should start learning about the religions he's talking about.=/

And no, "but it happened in the tiny place I live in/in America and my tiny place/America obviously means everything, and anything I haven't seen, heard or known about doesn't exist" isn't an argument.

 

It doesn't change that there are still extremist, medieval-worthy Christians out there but some of you should start looking around (and I mean "around", not just a few streets further) and see that things changed, not everywhere but in many places.

 

So in that sense, Nightmare Zarkus is right about many things...

 

People choosing to tie themselves to a religion? While less and less (religious) people are actually doing that, why are people joining gaming/hobby/old cars communities? And maybe they feel that while they might not agree with all the teachings, they're feeling at ease belonging there (and don't tell me that Atheists don't join communities that might even be more zealous than religious ones =.=). That still doesn't make everyone the f***ing same though.=/

 

No objective books? Sorry if I missed something but isn't that one of the few good parts of it?=/

 

Would you care to show me where I've made an assumption about Christianity? I'd love to see it.

 

Your whole tirade about "the majority of Christians".

 

And yes, I spent seven or eight years going to religious services. And yes, I hated it. And yes, I was also fed religion and it was shoved down my throat like all of you brainwashed fools. But I was able to escape from it. I'm glad I'm an atheist, I'm glad I'm not part of these religions that you find so stimulating and important, and I'm glad that I'm nothing like you people. If you can't even think of a decent argument to my post, don't come to these threads. If you can't handle the debates, don't try to act intelligent by posting in religious threads. Why don't you learn something about the religion you are a part of before fighting for it?

 

Oh hi, during some of my childhood I had to go to the church in my village/city/local place. But now I'm mad and have to apply everything that happened there to the whole world, so if I happened to be fed religion and shoved it down my throat, then surely everyone out there who is somehow related to religions had it fed and shoved down his throat somehow.

 

 

As for the historical Jesus, again people can PM me for proof, non-proof and all, I'd love to read it, but isn't it the usual problem with religious founders? There's no undebatable evidence that Jesus, Lao-Tse or Buddha existed. I've heard people say that their religious "leader" or whatever (if he's not alive and there's no proof that he was) counts as a type of personality, an archtype so-to-say, or that it was a physical person who did some of the things mentioned but had some attributes added. Someone on positive deism said that it might be a mixture of different personalities that turns into an ideal people choose to follow.

But then again, if people think that someone existed, we can't break it out of them.

 

 

Sorry Marble...*slugs out* .__.