Guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 and your the one to say...you've been argueing with TAG the whole time saying this deck is dead...I reject my first viewpoint and now say that this deck has tactics in it that can blow you mind right out of it's deep dark hole...but you are right about somethings' date=' it's way too hard to get the Trumpcard out on the field...that's why I suggested getting some 4-stars or lower monsters for back-up incase you don't get the cards you need.[/quote'] 1. 3 Reasoning + 3 Monster Gate + Trooper make milling Overload fairly easy. MSE and DMoC make retrieving it equally easy.2. The more Normal Summonable monsters I have, the slower the deck runs.3. The more 4-star monsters I have, the less likely I am to benefit from Reasoning. Most people will call 4 when Reasoning is played, not expecting a deck with only 3 Level 4 monsters.4. No other low-level machines really fit the deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 and your the one to say...you've been argueing with TAG the whole time saying this deck is dead...I reject my first viewpoint and now say that this deck has tactics in it that can blow you mind right out of it's deep dark hole...but you are right about somethings' date=' it's way too hard to get the Trumpcard out on the field...that's why I suggested getting some 4-stars or lower monsters for back-up incase you don't get the cards you need.[/quote'] If you're referring to me, I think it would have been pretty clear that I've switched sides regarding this deck. I still have my doubts, but it isn't thoughtless, and does have an innovative strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careless Whisper Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 just a thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Hats Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 It's not that good an idea to include dead cards in any deck simply because there is always the chance you will draw them. Even though you have a reason to use these cards, it would still be better if you could find some machines that have special summoning only conditions with some usability outside of feed. I see what you are trying to do, I could suggest some Magical Merchants. They will increase the chance of you getting the spell cards you need and discard monsters for you. However they will also be summoned by monster gate, and reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Light Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Dark Magician of Chaos 0/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 It's not that good an idea to include dead cards in any deck simply because there is always the chance you will draw them. Even though you have a reason to use these cards' date=' it would still be better if you could find some machines that have special summoning only conditions with some usability outside of feed. I see what you are trying to do, I could suggest some Magical Merchants. They will increase the chance of you getting the spell cards you need and discard monsters for you. However they will also be summoned by monster gate, and reasoning.[/quote'] The only Nomi/Semi-Nomi Machines are Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon, Metalzoa, Cyber Barrier Dragon, Cyber Laser Dragon, and Gradius Option. Of those, none can be used without additional support, and only REBMD and Metalzoa are Level 8 (and therefore Trade-In compatible). Flip Effect monsters with so many Reasoning and Gate doesn't work very well. I'd need to choose one engine or the other, and Reasoning/Gate works better in my experience. Dark Magician of Chaos 0/10. lolwut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 terrible deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardecked Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 terrible deck. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's bad. Actually it says more on your own skills. And you knew he was banned and you wouldn't get a reply. Did it do any good for your broken e-peen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Hats Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Yeah, I have to agree with everyone else on the terribleness of this deck. Lets face it if you don't get the combo you want the deck becomes a dead draw for several turns. Even if you do get the combo you want, you wont necassarily win as all they have to do is kill your Fusion before it gets an attack on their LP. Monster gate requires a tribute, seeing as you have only 6 4 star summon monsters (Cyber dragon could also be included with his special summon benefit which would make 9) You aren't going to be able to use monster gate often. Especially with Reasoning Discarding potential monsters and your opponent destroying some after you use monster gate. There is always the chance of you getting the cards you want, but realistically it is probably a better option to abandon this style of play. It can be sabotaged a number of ways, a remove from play deck for instance using dimension fissure will cause you a lot of problems. Dark Magician of Chaos makes no sense in your deck, is what is being said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 This deck > Your deck. you wish... too bad your banned my gadget deck will own this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uzumakinaruto93 Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 Dark Magician of Chaos makes no sense in your deck' date=' is what is being said.[/quote'] monster gate and reasoning will have to stop at something eventually, y not stop at something good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kocrow17 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 The Dark One's post deleted. No Flaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfmvrocks Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Horrible Deck, I read everything you said, and even so, it's horrible. Don't say you have good skills, please, just don't. Like someone said, use Ancient Gear Golem instead of Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon, or Metal Zoa. -3RBMD-3MZ+3AGG+3PMK At least it's somewhat better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Horrible Deck' date=' I read everything you said, and even so, it's horrible. Don't say you have good skills, please, just don't. Like someone said, use Ancient Gear Golem instead of Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon, or Metal Zoa. -3RBMD-3MZ+3AGG+3PMK At least it's somewhat better.[/quote'] Did you not see the part where it was pointed out that AGG would break the Reasoning/Monster Gate chain? MZ and REBMD stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardecked Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Horrible Deck' date=' I read everything you said, and even so, it's horrible. Don't say you have good skills, please, just don't. Like someone said, use Ancient Gear Golem instead of Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon, or Metal Zoa. -3RBMD-3MZ+3AGG+3PMK At least it's somewhat better.[/quote'] Those fixes are awful, do you understand how the deck works? It sure doesn't seem like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfmvrocks Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 I've read that it's to get the machines in the Graveyard, unless I am mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abstract [Atrocity] Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Even though the idea is good, Crab Helmet (banned lol) couldn't see pasthis own "holier-than-thou" arrogance to see how this card utterly fail. Let me enlighten you. *Drawing a bunch of Useless Spells and the Nomis: FAILURE...*Milling out your Heavy Storm, Overload Fusion & Stone Excavation = FAILURE*Special Sumoning DMoC before you have Overload in your Grave = FAILURE. I'm glad him and his arrogant groupies are banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardecked Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 *Drawing a bunch of Useless Spells and the Nomis: FAILURE...*Milling out your Heavy Storm' date=' Overload Fusion & Stone Excavation = FAILURE*Special Sumoning DMoC before you have Overload in your Grave = FAILURE. I'm glad him and his arrogant groupies are banned.[/quote'] *Having absolutely no idea how the deck works = FAILURE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravitize Me Cap'n! Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Let me enlighten you. *Drawing a bunch of Useless Spells and the Nomis: FAILURE...*Milling out your Heavy Storm, Overload Fusion & Stone Excavation = FAILURE*Special Sumoning DMoC before you have Overload in your Grave = FAILURE. Thanks for the enlightenment, now let me shine some light on YOU. *Drawing a bunch of useful spells and milling/Trading-In Nomis: WIN...*Milling out Heavy Storm and Overload Fusion as a "toolbox for Ston Excavation = WIN*Special Sumoning DMoC after you have Overload in your Grave = WIN. Funny how that works, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Hats Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 zeid Wrote:Dark Magician of Chaos makes no sense in your deck, is what is being said. monster gate and reasoning will have to stop at something eventually, y not stop at something good Actually I wasn't saying DMoC had no place in deck I was saying, I think that is what is being said. DMoC's effect gets back monster gate and reasoning so you can keep going with the effect. I forgot to mention this but brought it up in another MG, Reasoning deck Here, I guess it doesn't matter now seeing as the person is band so I wont bother offering different options for this deck, but for those who seem to be missing the point of some of the cards in the deck, see my post in that other thread where it explains the purpose of all the cards he uses. It should give an idea of the way the deck is meant to function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravitize Me Cap'n! Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 I would go back and disapprove everything you've said, but that'll damage your ego (plus, it's been done). But I will point out that you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildheart122 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 then what are they for because dumping cards without a purpose is pointless now if you were to play them properly then remove them i can see a way to work it but i see none so explain to us how this deck works or should work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravitize Me Cap'n! Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Hint: DDT. Please tell me you can figure it out from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Hats Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 I would go back and disapprove everything you've said, but that'll damage your ego (plus, it's been done). But I will point out that you are wrong.I'm having trouble understanding who that is directed at. Also I'm going to request this topic gets closed as it is just a long argument going no where for no reason. Monsters Red-Eyes Black Metal DragonMetalzoaAs these are both nomis when you use monster gate or reasoning they are sent to the graveyard and monster gate and reasoning will continue. In this way it populates the graveyard with machine monsters. Dark Magician of ChaosWhen DMoC is effected by monster gate or reasoning he gets special summoned, but as his effect lets you get back a spell in the graveyard you can choose to bring back MG or reasoning, also there are the many other spells (overload fusion) to get back. JinzoProtects from traps so you can hit them with the Chimeratech OTK. Cyber DragonNeeded for the fusions Cyber PhoenixProtects against traps The Light - Hex-Sealed Fusionfusion substitutes Card TrooperDiscards to fuel graveyard and when he dies you draw 1 card. Spells Power BondFor the cyber twin dragon or cyber end dragon OTK Future FusionPuts cards in graveyard for Overload Fusion. For Chimeratech OTK Overload FusionChimeratech OTK Dimension FusionBrings back the cards used in the fusions, this means some Cyber Dragons + it brings back cards for more fusion material. Trade-InIncrease draw and fuel graveyard with a Machine. Monster GateReasoningFuels graveyard and brings out a cyber dragon or similar card Heavy StormGiant TrunadeClear spells and traps for a OTK hit. Magical Stone ExcavationBring back a needed spell for the combo H-Heated HeartLets you attack through Defence for the OTK Limiter RemovalDouble attack for OTK Premature BurialBring back a needed monster, e.g. Cyber Dragon, if need be. Card DestructionFuel Graveyard and get more draw. Traps Mirror ForceSelf explanatory Call of the Hauntedsame as Premature Burial Fusions Cyber End DragonCyber Twin DragonChimeratech Fortress DragonChimeratech OverdragonThe OTK cards for the deck. NO this isn’t the best idea in the world, it has been thought of before many a time. In fact there are a number of flaws in it, firstly the dead draws. But more importantly then that monster gate and reasoning are broken by some unnecessary cards. Overload fusion is your best option in most cases but there are only 3 ways to get it. Draw it, DMoC or Magical Stone Excavation. If you draw DMoC or you never get to Monster Gate him/Reasoning him and Overload Fusion gets stopped or killed you can’t Chimeratech OTK. Then your next bet is Cyber Twin/End OTK but it has the exact same problems as Overload in terms of getting it. Finally the biggest problem with ALL monster gate/reasoning decks is that they rely on the graveyard. If you verse someone with a remove from play deck you lose from the following, Dimension Fissure, Macro Cosmos, Banisher of Light, Banisher of Radiance, Big Burn, there are many situations that this deck wont work. Again you are incredibly week to a Necrovalley deck. Now I hope you don't say I don't understand how the deck works because I'm pretty sure I just explained it well enough, I could go more in depth but it really doesn't matter. Lastly I hope those that didn't get the deck now do. It is a smart idea (done before), but don't think it has cracked some secret code to win at yugioh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bfmvrocks Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 I would go back and disapprove everything you've said' date=' but that'll damage your ego (plus, it's been done). But I will point out that you are wrong.[/quote']You're probably the same person as Crab Helmet and the others. New members have the EXACT same opinion, and you're acting like this is YOUR deck we're talking about. You should be banned as well, along with the locking of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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