Azuh Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 Personally I hate Rotation Systems in games, since its a lazy option in card games. But on the other hand, it means more reprints more often. I think everyone who would play yugioh would know the pros and cons in having a banlist. So which one is a better system and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 I honestly think that Yugioh will soon become a hellhole of OTKs and FTKs. With so many cards out, it'll be difficult not to. ATM the banlist is fine but idk anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 After playing all 3 major TCGs, it's like this, IMO: Rotation is more balanced. Also, newer players don't have to spend a bunch to get out of print staple X. However, they're expensive as hell. That said, individual cards are cheaper because everyone knows they'll rotate at some point. Also, you can do reverse power creep if desired (see PKMN TCG). Banlists are easier on the wallet, but each individual deck is more expensive if it's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 Also if like MTG you have a reprint set...per year...Staples becomes very easy to acces...or...like they do...Change some of those Staples sigtly to open more and new options to the Game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Nothing Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 I like rotation a lot more. That being said, rotations don't really work with archetypes, so I don't think yugioh is up for the tast. Konami's way to dependant on their archetypes now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkest Hour Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Technically if they cut ties with the anime/manga and what not then they would have a lot more creative control over the game, although it would lose a lot of advertising and fans. Either way the rotation AND the banlist could work better, since problem cards could be outlawed right there which tend to imbalance the current format and the unlimited format (like say, Exodia the Forbidden One, Yata-Garasu and Exchange of the Spirit, although your experiences with said cards could be different), because knowing how rotation games work, there will be some games based on the uncycled games since people will still have those cards and use them. The benefits to a Rotation System * Issuing Control: An old card from back in the day won't trump this years current replacement, and two overpowered money cards won't be in the same format for 2 years straight. * Base Sets: Having a selection of cards to choose from that are vital to most gamestyles and decks will help keep control over the metagame in general, and prevent past OTKs from recurring every format before banlist intervention has to come into play, but still allow extremely important cards to not be lost in the ages and allow them to be reprinted for future players (no more grinding on ebay for a Mirror force or a Solemn in other words). There are some faults with this system but I am too lazy to identify them besides "old cards will get cycled out and force you to buy new ones" while also almost completely murdering archetypes that are not actively bound to a base set or reprinted over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 [quote name='Darkest Hour' timestamp='1304305101' post='5183287'] Technically if they cut ties with the anime/manga and what not then they would have a lot more creative control over the game, although it would lose a lot of advertising and fans. [/quote] Not to mention the fact that the TCG only exists because of the first YGO manga. Alienating your roots is a horrible move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 So I'm still getting used to the idea of Rotation, so correct me if I'm wrong but... Every card that wasn't printed within [X Time] is banned!?!? WTF? that means that box of MTG cards I found (the rarities of it being around $117ish) in my closet can't even be used? Sucks for me IDK, with rotation it sounds like the game doesn't really evolve fast enough, though it does mean that it can be safely regulated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 [quote name='Red W Mage No. 6-2-5' timestamp='1304306067' post='5183335'] So I'm still getting used to the idea of Rotation, so correct me if I'm wrong but... Every card that wasn't printed within [X Time] is banned!?!? WTF? that means that box of MTG cards I found (the rarities of it being around $117ish) in my closet can't even be used? Sucks for me IDK, with rotation it sounds like the game doesn't really evolve fast enough, though it does mean that it can be safely regulated. [/quote] Actually they do...Rotation works like this in MTG There are a lot of different formats where different things can be used This are: [b]Standard[/b] The Standard format, or formerly called Type 2, is one of the most popular formats. Previously this format consisted of the most recent core set and the two most recent block rotations. With the release of Magic 2010, the standard rotation policy has changed. Now there will be only one rotation per year when the fall set is released.[7] The current Standard set includes Zendikar, Worldwake, Rise of the Eldrazi, Scars of Mirrodin, Mirrodin Besieged and Magic 2011 core set. [b]Extended[/b] The Extended format, formerly known as Type 1.5, consists of the last four years of block rotations and core sets. With each autumn set release, one year's worth of sets rotate out of the format. Any additional sets released between rotations are automatically added to this format's card pool. This system was implemented in July 2010 to reduce the format's card pool, making it more attractive to play. The current Extended rotation (as of October 1st, 2010) consists of the Scars of Mirrodin, Lorwyn-Shadowmoor, Shards of Alara, and Zendikar blocks; and the Magic 2010 and Magic 2011 core sets. [b]Legacy[/b] Legacy is the other eternal constructed format. It also allows cards from all legal sets, but unlike Vintage, it maintains only a banned list, and cards are banned in Legacy for power level reasons. The format evolved from Type 1.5, which allowed cards from all sets and maintained a banned list corresponding to Vintage: all cards banned or restricted cards in the old Type 1 were banned in Type 1.5. The modern Legacy format began in 2004, as the DCI separated Legacy's banned list from Vintage and banned many new cards to reduce the power level of the format.[2] Wizards has supported the format with Grand Prix events using the Legacy format and by including the format in the World Championships. [b]Vintage[/b] The Vintage format, formerly known as Type 1, allows cards from all sets that are legal for constructed play. Vintage maintains a small banned list and a larger restricted list. Unlike in the other formats, the DCI does not ban cards in Vintage for power level reasons. Rather, banned cards in Vintage are those that involve ante, manual dexterity (e.g. – Chaos Orb), or subgames (e.g. – Shahrazad). Cards that raise power level concerns are instead restricted to one per deck. Because of the expense in acquiring the old cards to play competitive Vintage, many Vintage tournaments are unsanctioned and permit players to use a certain number of proxy cards. These are treated as stand-ins of existing cards and are not normally permitted in tournaments sanctioned by the DCI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 But I take it most of the higher-end tournaments use Standard... so everything is banned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 [quote name='Red W Mage No. 6-2-5' timestamp='1304308734' post='5183400'] But I take it most of the higher-end tournaments use Standard... so everything is banned [/quote] Extended has a lot of events too, but Standard is the main one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1304308974' post='5183410'] Extended has a lot of events too, but Standard is the main one. [/quote] Legacy is quite popular as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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