Resident Fascist Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Inspired by the Threat about Plant/Tengu/Whatever Synchro. You can make 3 changes to the banlist affecting Six Samurais. As Six Samurai are one of the Top Decks, what changes would you make to slow them down? To be honest, I don't think Banning Shi En would kill the deck off. It'd weaken it, but you still have a ton of options. With all that considered... My Changes: Shi En @1 Smoke Signal @1 Gateway @1 Note hitting Dojo to 2 won't really do anything. Decks only run 2 Dojo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Why the hell are you making Gateway better? You idiot. Shi En ban. Kizan Limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 No. Broken WILL be banned. @2... are you insane? Mabye 2 Kizan, 2 Shi En, 2 Smoke Signal. Last time I checked they run 3 of each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 ban 6 Sams from all tournys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='ＴＨＥ ＳＵＮ ＯＦ ＧＯＤ ＤＲＡＧＯＮ' timestamp='1308490375' post='5294895'] Why the hell are you making Gateway better? You idiot. Shi En ban. Kizan Limit. [/quote] Because I limited Shi En. I knew someone would be "Ban Shi en" And I don't think that's going to happen. STOR makes Konami alot of money from what I can see, all because of the Six Samurai cards. It isn't Healthy for the Game's Meta, but in a money standpoint it's actually good. I'm gonna go change my original post and leave gateway where it is, because I just realised how dumb I am putting it at 2. [quote]No. Broken WILL be banned. @2... are you insane? Mabye 2 Kizan, 2 Shi En, 2 Smoke Signal. Last time I checked they run 3 of each. [/quote] Even with 2 Kizan, you still have the Insta-Shi En with Kageki+Kagemusha. Note that I said 3 changes, and almost all of the changes said so far involve Shi En. I guess he's the Primary Offender, and if any Six Sam card is going, he'll be the first. [quote]ban 6 Sams from all tournys. [/quote] I said 3 changes. Konami wouldn't be that stupid. Then again, this is Konami we are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Ban Raging Earth Turbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Limit Shi En Limit Smoke Signal Nothing Else I can really say :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 No. Ban Gateway. Limit Shi En. Semi Kizan Should even out the deck. Now GK's....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 0/1 Kaigeki 1 Smoke Signal 1 Shi En Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1308490562' post='5294903'] Because I limited Shi En. I knew someone would be "Ban Shi en" And I don't think that's going to happen. STOR makes Konami alot of money from what I can see, all because of the Six Samurai cards. It isn't Healthy for the Game's Meta, but in a money standpoint it's actually good. I'm gonna go change my original post and leave gateway where it is, because I just realised how dumb I am putting it at 2. [/quote] >STOR makes konami money STOR is no longer in print iirc Therefore konami is not making money from it anymore. So yeah. :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1308490700' post='5294908'] Limit Shi En Limit Smoke Signal Nothing Else I can really say :/ [/quote] Fairest change right here. Limiting Shi en means we no longer have the Stupid Crap where you get 3 out in 1 turn and can Negate 3 things for free. With Evolkaiser Raiga that is a Walking Solemn Judgment, we will have the same argument? While Shi En can Negate once per turn, Evolkaiser Raiga can only negate once. Shi En is walking brokenness and needs a limit. Coming from a Six Samurai Player. Limiting Smoke Signal? I would have prefered 2, but I don't mind. It's like RoTA and that's limited. Being costless makes it horrendously stupid for finishing off the Instant Shi En in your hand. If you don't draw into the Instant Shi en, you usually can get it within Turn 1. This card helps this. [quote]STOR is no longer in print iirc[/quote] Sets are in Print for 1 year iirc. SOTR came out in February. It still has a while left in print. [quote]No. Ban Gateway. Limit Shi En. Semi Kizan Should even out the deck.[/quote] I have a idea that Konami will sit around like lazy arses for about 6 formats then suddenly pull this. By then though, Six Sams might have even more support. In fairness, Konami needs to give Six Sams another Searcher(Dojo doesn't count) that's a fairer version of gateway. Even if Gateway was once per turn, it'd be more fair. [quote]0/1 Kaigeki 1 Smoke Signal 2 United [/quote] Kageki @1...so you are proposing not limiting the Horrendously stupidly OP boss monster, and instead taking a throw at a card that helps the deck in General? While he did make the Instant-Shi En combo, I still don't think Limiting him is overly fair. 1 Smoke Signal, Aleady covered that. I agree with 2 United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1308490562' post='5294903'] I said 3 changes. Konami wouldn't be that stupid. Then again, this is Konami we are talking about. [/quote] It's not on the banlist. It's just that you can't use them at tournaments. You get kicked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Ban Kagemusha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote]>STOR makes konami money STOR is no longer in print iirc Therefore konami is not making money from it anymore. So yeah. :S [/quote] What? @ Shard Sams need to die.... Or at least, lose Broken, limit Shi En and Smoke Signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='Ctrl+Alt+Win' timestamp='1308491234' post='5294926'] What? @ Shard Sams need to die.... Or at least, lose Broken, limit Shi En and Smoke Signal. [/quote] So do GK's, Plants, JunkDoppel. In other words, we're arguing about a Deck that's Bad for the game, but Plants, GKs and JunkDoppel arn't? I know JunkDoppel is a random example, but we'll have this argument again about a different deck. Just because Six Sams are a very Prominent Deck in the current Meta, they are in no way the most popular. I see many more GKs and Plant decks and my Locals than Six Samurai. Hit the decks in order of their popularity, I just skipped over Plants, Because it's already done, and GKs, because we all know what needs to be done there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｂｌａｚｉｎｇ ＭＡＲＳ' timestamp='1308491018' post='5294918'] In fairness, Konami needs to give Six Sams another Searcher(Dojo doesn't count) that's a fairer version of gateway. Even if Gateway was once per turn, it'd be more fair. [/quote] Effect's cost should've been sending the card to the Graveyard imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Why is nobody good at this game here and think Shi En needs to be banned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='ＴＨＥ ＳＵＮ ＯＦ ＧＯＤ ＤＲＡＧＯＮ' timestamp='1308491656' post='5294942'] Why is nobody good at this game here and think Shi En needs to be banned? [/quote] What's your suggestion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted June 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1308491601' post='5294940'] Effect's cost should've been sending the card to the Graveyard imo. [/quote] [color="#008000"][b] Gateway Of The Six[/b][/color] Each time a "Six Samurai" monster is Normal or Special Summoned, place 2 Bushido Counters on this card. [b]Once Per Turn[/b], You can remove Bushido Counters from your side of the field to apply the following effects. ● 2 Counters: Until the End Phase of this turn, 1 face-up "Six Samurai" or "Shien" Effect Monster gains 500 ATK. ● 4 Counters: Add 1 [b]Level 4 Or Lower[/b] "Six Samurai" monster from your Deck or Graveyard to your hand. ● 6 Counters: Special Summon 1 "Shien" Effect Monster from your Graveyard. I know Gateway is used to search things Level <4, but I added that there for the sake of it. Once per turn would be more balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1308491709' post='5294943'] What's your suggestion? [/quote] lrn2read If you read above it was: Ban Shi En Limit Kizan and since I've realised it's 3 changes, the final one i'd do is probably: Limit Kagemusha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='ＴＨＥ ＳＵＮ ＯＦ ＧＯＤ ＤＲＡＧＯＮ' timestamp='1308491656' post='5294942'] Why is [b]nobody good at this game[/b] here and [b]think Shi En needs to be banned?[/b] [/quote] [quote name='ＴＨＥ ＳＵＮ ＯＦ ＧＯＤ ＤＲＡＧＯＮ' timestamp='1308492104' post='5294959'] [b]Ban Shi En[/b] Limit Kizan and since I've realised it's 3 changes, the final one i'd do is probably: Limit Kagemusha [/quote] ?_? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote]Gateway Of The Six Each time a "Six Samurai" monster is Normal or Special Summoned, place 2 Bushido Counters on this card. Once Per Turn, You can remove Bushido Counters from your side of the field to apply the following effects. ● 2 Counters: Until the End Phase of this turn, 1 face-up "Six Samurai" or "Shien" Effect Monster gains 500 ATK. ● 4 Counters: Add 1 Level 4 Or Lower "Six Samurai" monster from your Deck or Graveyard to your hand. ● 6 Counters: Special Summon 1 "Shien" Effect Monster from your Graveyard. I know Gateway is used to search things Level <4, but I added that there for the sake of it. Once per turn would be more balanced. [/quote] That would be great. Still, Shi En needs a limit. Kizan needs to be hit SOMEHOW. Plants.... well I would say Ryko @2, but Lightsworns died, and there not coming back for a looooong time. Since when is JunkDoppel tier 2/1.5?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1308492211' post='5294962'] ?_? [/quote] Read what I said again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote name='ＴＨＥ ＳＵＮ ＯＦ ＧＯＤ ＤＲＡＧＯＮ' timestamp='1308492254' post='5294965'] Read what I said again. [/quote] I've read it several times and all I get out of it is that all the bad players think Shi En should be banned. Try rewording please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 [quote]lrn2read If you read above it was: Ban Shi En Limit Kizan and since I've realised it's 3 changes, the final one i'd do is probably: Limit Kagemusha [/quote] Yea... your the only one who said Shi En needs to be banned, and [quote]Why is nobody good at this game here and think Shi En needs to be banned?[/quote] Lrn2propergrammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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