JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Now i've noticed a bunch of people saying that you can just ignore the Under God part because it was supposedly already like that. According to my great-grandfather that served in WWI with Allies, Under God wasn't originally apart of the pledge. So taking it out wouldn't be modifying it. It would be restoring it. What do you guys think? Also, history books can prove that under god wasn't originally apart of the pledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qu@ke Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 I think that you should simply say the way YOU think is right; there's no 100% way to prove that the pldege was written like that unless you have a time machine and talked to the guy who wrote it. So, I say leave it be; there are more important things to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A._Sakuyamon Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Well I didn't really care either way (would opera voice the pledge as a kid) Though I'm not a religious person under god doesn't really sound bad to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='Qu@ke' timestamp='1308625792' post='5299395'] I think that you should simply say the way YOU think is right; [b]there's no 100% way to prove that the pldege was written like [/b]that unless you have a time machine and talked to the guy who wrote it. So, I say leave it be; there are more important things to worry about. [/quote] Bullshit, any in-depth historybook about the US says it didn't "under god" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qu@ke Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='JadenxAtemYAOI' timestamp='1308626085' post='5299408'] Bullshit, any in-depth historybook about the US says it didn't "under god" [/quote] a history book written by who? Jonny Writesalot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='Qu@ke' timestamp='1308626160' post='5299413'] a history book written by who? Jonny Writesalot? [/quote] You obviously don't read much as I do. There's a job called Historian. There are books called auto-biographies, biographies, and school books. All in depth depending on grade level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Frost Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 "In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer." [url="http://www.oldtimeislands.org/pledge/pledge.htm"]Source[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='Cody Frost' timestamp='1308626341' post='5299424'] "In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer." [url="http://www.oldtimeislands.org/pledge/pledge.htm"]Source[/url] [/quote] Same source as mine. I think I proved my point. Also when it comes to the under god part. Engel v. Vitale (1962) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Frost Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='JadenxAtemYAOI' timestamp='1308626736' post='5299441'] [b]Engel v. Vitale (1962)[/b] [/quote] I did not know that. learned something new today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='JadenxAtemYAOI' timestamp='1308626085' post='5299408'] Bullshit, any in-depth [b]historybook[/b] about the US says it didn't "under god" [/quote] This is why Quake questioned you. When you said that, I immediately thought history textbook. And textbooks have a tendency to fudge the truth a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted June 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1308627139' post='5299463'] This is why Quake questioned you. When you said that, I immediately thought history textbook. And textbooks have a tendency to fudge the truth a bit. [/quote] If you're from the US it is. Italy's history textbooks spared no room for excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Frost Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='JadenxAtemYAOI' timestamp='1308627387' post='5299478'] If you're from the US it is. Italy's history textbooks spared no room for excuses. [/quote] That I knew. "History is written by the winners, not the losers." Or so several of my history teachers have said. Still, other nations also record history, and until we have one huge war with one big winner, I doubt there will be any "re-writes" anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 For me, the Pledge is something to show my respect, gratitude, and loyalty to my country. It's not the words that matter, it's what the Pledge means to you personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 You don't even [i]have[/i] to say the pledge. Freedom of speech, right? Say what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whirr Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='JadenxAtemYAOI' timestamp='1308627387' post='5299478'] If you're from the US it is. Italy's history textbooks spared no room for excuses. [/quote] Why do I keep hearing people say this? Perhaps you all just had bad teachers. I've never come across anything factually unsound in ANY of my textbooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='Whirr' timestamp='1308632791' post='5299663'] Why do I keep hearing people say this? Perhaps you all just had bad teachers. I've never come across anything factually unsound in ANY of my textbooks. [/quote] It's not that they're factually unsound. They just like to ignore some of the details. Like how Abraham Lincoln never actually wanted to eliminate slavery, or that the pilgrims in fact mooched off of the Native Americans rather than working with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1308634255' post='5299692'] It's not that they're factually unsound. They just like to ignore some of the details. Like how Abraham Lincoln never actually wanted to eliminate slavery, or that the pilgrims in fact mooched off of the Native Americans rather than working with them. [/quote] I have never ever heard any of that in any of the American textbooks I've read. On-topic: You're free to not say the pledge. Just don't act like such a jobber when other people do try to show a bit of national pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 The words "Under God" and "In god we trust" now have nothing to do with religion, they are just patriotic saiyings, so why anyone living in America would have anything agianst saying them is beyond me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1308634255' post='5299692'] It's not that they're factually unsound. They just like to ignore some of the details. Like how Abraham Lincoln never actually wanted to eliminate slavery, or that the pilgrims in fact mooched off of the Native Americans rather than working with them. [/quote] I learned that in Highschool, via textbook. Isn't it the South (mostly Texas) that is changing up their books? I know most the country gets there books from Texas, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Frost Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1308663815' post='5300171'] I learned that in Highschool, via textbook. Isn't it the South (mostly Texas) that is changing up there books? I know most the country gets there books from Texas, but still. [/quote] I'm spent most of my time in Texas (about 12 years now) and I have to say that this statement is very much...TRUE. Several of our textbooks are ignoring certain parts of our own history. Mainly the bad parts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Like how the south lost the war? [color="#FFFFFF"]I'm just joking, obviously[/color] Anyway, I have no idea what you are talking about Jaden, my school history textbook from this year had all that in there, and I was in 7th grade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whirr Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='~N~' timestamp='1308637527' post='5299775'] The words "Under God" and "In god we trust" now have nothing to do with religion, they are just patriotic saiyings, so why anyone living in America would have anything agianst saying them is beyond me [/quote] The words ARE religious and that's the very reason they used those phrases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Some extremely conservative areas of the south are changing their biology (?) and history textbooks to undercut Darwin's achievements; it's pretty much an anti-science ploy so their kids won't be oblivious to the large amount of religious force-feeding. Anyways, you have the legal right to not say a single word during the Pledge in a school or office, as long as you remain respectful and wholly silent during the Pledge. Our government has more important things to worry about at the moment then to restore a Pledge or change a bunch of coins that have a religious context to them. It doesn't matter. Our country is religiously split, so people can interpret "God" however they damn please. As a devout Pastafarian, I don't really care that the phrases were first intended for Christian use. Maybe atheists have a problem, but they should know better than to try changing this bullshit now of all times. We're in a double depression. <___< I also agree with whoever (Whirr?) said that textbooks in the past have not been incorrect that often. As a third-grader, they aren't trying to stuff in your mind that Lincoln wanted to keep the border states preserved because he needed them and he had this huge old war plan. They just made the correlation that Lincoln was associated with anti-slavery during the Civil War. But once you get into middle school or high school, your teachers should have taught you the truth about US History, and if they haven't, it probably wasn't a problem with the textbooks. Unless you guys have some really shitty textbooks wherever you live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1308663815' post='5300171'] I learned that in Highschool, via textbook. Isn't it the South (mostly Texas) that is changing up their books? I know most the country gets there books from Texas, but still. [/quote] ...That explains it.*is from and in Texas* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Frost Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 [quote name='Cody Frost' timestamp='1308669571' post='5300369'] I'm spent most of my time in Texas (about 12 years now) and I have to say that this statement is very much...TRUE. Several of our textbooks are ignoring certain parts of our own history. Mainly the bad parts... [/quote] [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1308675933' post='5300543'] ...That explains it.*is from and in Texas* [/quote] Pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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