Static Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 The idea of infinity only exists in numbers. Our universe is the sum of the energy in it, it is not a boundless, limitless force. Infinity - infinity = 0 DMoC + LSoA does not make sense. Exodia cards with the infinity symbol on them are fake. Divine serpent is not an English card, why is it relevant to the English card game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 As of today' date=' there are no printed monsters with infinite ATK. There are however five that exist, but probably will never exist. Hence the name, theoretical discussion. If you would have a monster with infinite ATK out, let's say Divine Serpent, and you then Tribute it with Altar for Tribute, gaining infinite Life Points. What would happen?[/quote'] this is why exodia is the best. xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 As of today' date=' there are no printed monsters with infinite ATK. There are however five that exist, but probably will never exist. Hence the name, theoretical discussion. If you would have a monster with infinite ATK out, let's say Divine Serpent, and you then Tribute it with Altar for Tribute, gaining infinite Life Points. What would happen?[/quote'] this is why exodia is the best. xD The sexiest. Far from the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 i was joking. but yes, exodia is indeed quite sexy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 You can get Infinte LPs with a real situation combo: 2 Flint Lock+Flint+Morale Boost=Eat your heart and puppies out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Infinity minus infinity is undefined, as infinity itself is not a real number. However, if you have two limits whose values approach infinity, it may be possible to determine the final result. For example, suppose there is a monster (let's call it Wilford Brimley) whose ATK is equal to 2000 divided by the number of monsters in its owner's graveyard. Wilford Brimley is summoned on the first turn and tributed for LP while the graveyard is empty. Wilford Brimley's ATK would equal the limit of 2000/x as x approaches 0+, which is equal to infinity (the + after the 0 indicates that it is being approached from the positive side). Its owner would then have infinite Life Points, or, to be more precise, the limit of 8000 + 2000/x as x approaches 0+. Now, suppose the opponent uses Monster Reborn on their turn to revive the tributed Wilford Brimley, and then uses Wilford Brimley to attack its owner. The owner loses the limit of 2000/x Life Points as x approaches 0. Brimley's owner now has 8000 + 2000/x - 2000/x LP, which simplifies to 8000 LP. Even though both numbers are infinite, when written as a rational expression with limit notation they can be validly subtracted. However, this will not work in all cases. If Wilford Brimley attacked someone who had just used the Flint Lock combo for infinite points, no expression that can be simplified exists, so it would be impossible to determine the outcome. EDIT: Also, the combo that God GAK posted doesn't work. Dreadmaster's ATK is treated as 0 for the purposes of its effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under_Age_User Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Attention Middle Schoolers: Infinity is NOT a number. Infinity is a concept. You will learn this when you take pre-calc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco Straybyrn Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Attention Middle Schoolers: Infinity is NOT a number. Infinity is a concept. You will learn this when you take pre-calc. Ta-da, owned. I'll be surprised if no one gets mad at this. Congrats, Under_Age_User, you shall be mentioned in my next column. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 ok what about obelisk the tormentor(i kno it isnt a real card but it has an effect) you tribute 2 monsters it gets infinite attack in this case it isnt ive done a set effect a number of times it start with unlimited atack thus its sorta like it attacks but it just keeps attacking so you play draining sheild and get unlimited lp thus if obelisk attacks it would just cancel out id say in this case you end up with the lp you had b4 obelisks initial attack but if obelisk gets destroyed no attack could harm you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under_Age_User Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 ok what about obelisk the tormentor(i kno it isnt a real card but it has an effect) Obelisk the Tormentor does not have an effect. Any effect you claim it has derives from the anime or the videogames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b7hamma Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Why am I not surprised that only "BAD EVIL GFAQS NOOBS" brought up Flint Lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careless Whisper Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Or someone could just get Exodia out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Hey guys! I'm back! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Why am I not surprised that only "BAD EVIL GFAQS NOOBS" brought up Flint Lock I aim to please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco Straybyrn Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 You two have been gone? J/K @ both. I like laughing at bad arguments with no evidence/backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 The monsters with infinite atk. will be or are banned. Plus' date=' if they aren't banned you would have inf. lifepoints making you unbeatable for the rest of the duel.[/quote'] correction, monsters with infinity ATK does not exists on the TCG... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 The monsters with infinite atk. will be or are banned. Plus' date=' if they aren't banned you would have inf. lifepoints making you unbeatable for the rest of the duel.[/quote'] correction, monsters with infinity ATK does not exists on the TCG... WRONG. There are monsters that, though their base ATK is not infinite, can achieve attack power that is essentially infinite. And I don't just mean very high, I mean infinite. And no, Tyranno Infinity is not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 it refers to monsters that ALREADY have infinite ATK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 it refers to monsters that ALREADY have infinite ATK... It doesn't really matter whether the ATK is initially infinite or becomes infinite via an effect. There still do exist infinite ATK monsters that could theoretically attack infinite LP players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 in that case, game's over... but you must fulfill the conditions to make that card has infinite ATK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careless Whisper Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Seeing how it is nearly impossible to get a card, (no wait every card has limits), I don't see any reason to furthur discuss this.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Altair Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Infinity minus infinity is undefined' date=' as infinity itself is not a real number. However, if you have two limits whose values approach infinity, it may be possible to determine the final result. For example, suppose there is a monster (let's call it Wilford Brimley) whose ATK is equal to 2000 divided by the number of monsters in its owner's graveyard. Wilford Brimley is summoned on the first turn and tributed for LP while the graveyard is empty. Wilford Brimley's ATK would equal the limit of 2000/x as x approaches 0+, which is equal to infinity (the + after the 0 indicates that it is being approached from the positive side). Its owner would then have infinite Life Points, or, to be more precise, the limit of 8000 + 2000/x as x approaches 0+. Now, suppose the opponent uses Monster Reborn on their turn to revive the tributed Wilford Brimley, and then uses Wilford Brimley to attack its owner. The owner loses the limit of 2000/x Life Points as x approaches 0. Brimley's owner now has 8000 + 2000/x - 2000/x LP, which simplifies to 8000 LP. Even though both numbers are infinite, when written as a rational expression with limit notation they can be validly subtracted. However, this will not work in all cases. If Wilford Brimley attacked someone who had just used the Flint Lock combo for infinite points, no expression that can be simplified exists, so it would be impossible to determine the outcome. EDIT: Also, the combo that God GAK posted doesn't work. Dreadmaster's ATK is treated as 0 for the purposes of its effect.[/quote'] no infinite - infinite = 0 becuase they might be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco Straybyrn Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 NO. STOP THINKING LIKE A MIDDLE SCHOOLER AND ACCEPT DEFEAT. Infinity is not a number, it is a concept. All equations involving it are undefined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyber Altair Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 NO. STOP THINKING LIKE A MIDDLE SCHOOLER AND ACCEPT DEFEAT. Infinity is not a number' date=' it is a concept. All equations involving it are undefined.[/quote'] well it is a concept meaning a number undefiened. but basiclly infinite - infinite equals to 0 cause both numbers cancel each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megamaster125 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 According to the M:tG rules on infinate combos, you must define a number for infinity. For instance, if I play a combo that gives me infinate life, I can't just say I have infinate life, I'm required to pick a specific number. That number can be whatever I choose, since my options are infinate. I could pick 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 as the number I choose to stop at, but I must stop at some number. I would assume rules for infinity would apply in the same way for Yu-gi-oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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