Absolutely amazing! :D

[Cubistar]

Sadly that wasn't the case with all cards I have made. I agree that in most other instances' date=' I have neglected to remember who the artist was or remembered to ask permission because I was in a rush. What do I do then? Some of the original artists work cannot be found again, even if I tried so I won't know who the artist was. Does that mean that the cards that I made (and the other 99.9% of memebers on here) without having consent will have to be removed from YCMF?

[/quote']

 

I'm fairly sure that '99.9%' of the YCM members don't just 'neglect' to mention the artists because they were in a rush. If you have enough time to grab the image and make the card, you have enough time to either bookmark the page you got the image from, perhaps make a note on a scrap piece of paper of the artists name...

 

There's a lot of things people can do to avoid it. It's not that hard, really.

 

And if you can't remember the artist, nor can you find the piece again, then it's safe to just not use it at all, because that too can come back to bite you in the end.

[Junk Raver]

Sadly that wasn't the case with all cards I have made. I agree that in most other instances' date=' I have neglected to remember who the artist was or remembered to ask permission because I was in a rush. What do I do then? Some of the original artists work cannot be found again, even if I tried so I won't know who the artist was. Does that mean that the cards that I made (and the other 99.9% of memebers on here) without having consent will have to be removed from YCMF?

[/quote']

 

I'm fairly sure that '99.9%' of the YCM members don't just 'neglect' to mention the artists because they were in a rush. If you have enough time to grab the image and make the card, you have enough time to either bookmark the page you got the image from, perhaps make a note on a scrap piece of paper of the artists name...

 

There's a lot of things people can do to avoid it. It's not that hard, really.

 

And if you can't remember the artist, nor can you find the piece again, then it's safe to just not use it at all, because that too can come back to bite you in the end.

 

Unnfortunatly for some of us, that would not be our solution.

 

When i card make i collect images from all over, not knowing if i will use them or not, then when i have enough, i decide on which to use.

 

I can easily from now on, jot down the artist and give credit, but for my previous cards i havent a fudging clue where i got / found half of the images.

[Cubistar]

Sadly that wasn't the case with all cards I have made. I agree that in most other instances' date=' I have neglected to remember who the artist was or remembered to ask permission because I was in a rush. What do I do then? Some of the original artists work cannot be found again, even if I tried so I won't know who the artist was. Does that mean that the cards that I made (and the other 99.9% of memebers on here) without having consent will have to be removed from YCMF?

[/quote']

 

I'm fairly sure that '99.9%' of the YCM members don't just 'neglect' to mention the artists because they were in a rush. If you have enough time to grab the image and make the card, you have enough time to either bookmark the page you got the image from, perhaps make a note on a scrap piece of paper of the artists name...

 

There's a lot of things people can do to avoid it. It's not that hard, really.

 

And if you can't remember the artist, nor can you find the piece again, then it's safe to just not use it at all, because that too can come back to bite you in the end.

 

Unnfortunatly for some of us, that would not be our solution.

 

When i card make i collect images from all over, not knowing if i will use them or not, then when i have enough, i decide on which to use.

 

I can easily from now on, jot down the artist and give credit, but for my previous cards i havent a fudging clue where i got / found half of the images.

 

I suppose that's all we're really asking for.. an attempt made to protect the YCMers and the artists from now on. Past mistakes cannot really be fixed, and I suppose the only reason to take down previous card creations would be per the original artists request. Past that, the best thing that can be done is a 'no excuses' future prevention... and honestly, just doing something from 'now on' will help more than people probably know.

 

And really, the littlest bit of effort is greatly appreciated.

..

 

I also wanted to throw in a note that not all artists have the greatest temperaments, either. So don't always expect a warm welcoming. It's best to look for any usage policies they might have, and if you can't find any, contact the artist themselves. Some may say sure, some may be a complete and total jerk about it..

 

People are people, whether they're an artist, dog walker, writer, next door neighbor, etc... they are all their own person with their own moods. If they're a jerk about it, don't hold it against the artistic community. It's not our fault they're jerks! Heh...

[Cubistar]

(I'll be back in a little while, I have something I need to go do. Sorry for a brief absence!)

[The_Weasel_46]

I think this is a great thread, Cubistar. I seriously never thought of the whole copyright thing until now. I mean, for years I copy/pasted pics from Google and other sites for school projects & junk, and I never had any SWAT teams busting up in my house or anything, so I just figured it was okay. So after I read some of this thread, I went to deviantART, read the copyright policy, and there it was:

You may not reproduce, distribute, publicly display or perform, or prepare derivative works based on any of the Content including any such works without the express, written consent of deviantART or the appropriate owner of copyright in such works.

My first thought?

... 0_o

Here come the SWAT teams...

But seriously, I'd gladly ask for permission and I personally thank you for pointing this out to everyone on this site (and in such a nice calm manner, too! ^_^).

However, I think it would speed legal picture acquisition up significantly if, perhaps, deviantART could ask its users to simply post in their profiles or the individual pics whether or not people can use their pictures for whatever. Otherwise it would take forever, and that's just for one picture. Thanks again for the heads-up, Cubistar.

[Chevalier]

It would be a gigantic drawback if we had to ask for every picture. If the picture has some rights reserved on it I'll back off and ask the artist. Think of this, people on small remote forums use signatures made by artists and they don't ask for permission, posting something on the internet and expecting it to not be C+Ped is a bit ignorant.

[Saiba Aisu]

I think this is a valid concern, but it really isn't something that we need to worry about. Most of the time, the artist cannot be found, or will simply say "no." I understand where you're coming from as an artist, but as a cardmaker, if we had to ask permission for every image, this Forum would slowly dry up. I'm not trying to be rude or obnoxious; it's simply a fact. Sorry if I have offended anyone.

[Kocrow17]

After conversing extensively with one of the DA Members on MSN, I have decided that to simply asking members to request art from its owner would be too much to ask. The process of giving credit where credit is do will have to start small and work its way to the goal presented by the DA Radicals. We need to work this problem out in a long-term solution.

 

As the Official Custom Cards Moderator now that TotalObelisk is inactive, I can create new rules regarding the section that must be followed unless YCMaker chooses to revoke them. That’s why I propose the following:

 

We start with a simple disclaimer in main post on threads that members that states that we do not own the artwork. Something along the lines of: “I do not own the artworks to these cards. I only use them as a means to increase the overall quality and effect of my work. I do not claim ownership of them”. Of course, each member would have their own rendition of the disclaimer.

 

Next would come sighting some of their work, either on he post or on the cards. An example is this card I made for a DA Members who is also a friend of mine:

[spoiler=Example]

 

I have clearly labeled “Art © Fleasan”, as that is what my friend prefers to be called online.

 

Finally would come the movement of having to ask to use the artwork of the artist. This is the largest and most difficult change the forum would need to make, and it is far from ready to make it. I do not want to take this step until it becomes clear that it is absolutely required.

 

To summerize:

Step 1: Start Disclaimers

Step 2: Cite Art

Step 3: Request Art

 

This would all happen over a long period of time. The transition would be slow, but it would at least be some ground gained.

 

What say all of you? Should this be put into effect?

[Cubistar]

After conversing extensively with one of the DA Members on MSN' date=' I have decided that to simply asking members to request art from its owner would be too much to ask. The process of giving credit where credit is do will have to start small and work its way to the goal presented by the DA Radicals. We need to work this problem out in a long-term solution.

 

As the Official Custom Cards Moderator now that TotalObelisk is inactive, I can create new rules regarding the section that must be followed unless YCMaker chooses to revoke them. That’s why I propose the following:

 

We start with a simple disclaimer in main post on threads that members that states that we do not own the artwork. Something along the lines of: “I do not own the artworks to these cards. I only use them as a means to increase the overall quality and effect of my work. I do not claim ownership of them”. Of course, each member would have their own rendition of the disclaimer.

 

Next would come sighting some of their work, either on he post or on the cards. An example is this card I made for a DA Members who is also a friend of mine:

[spoiler=Example']

 

I have clearly labeled “Art © Fleasan”, as that is what my friend prefers to be called online.

 

Finally would come the movement of having to ask to use the artwork of the artist. This is the largest and most difficult change the forum would need to make, and it is far from ready to make it. I do not want to take this step until it becomes clear that it is absolutely required.

 

To summerize:

Step 1: Start Disclaimers

Step 2: Cite Art

Step 3: Request Art

 

This would all happen over a long period of time. The transition would be slow, but it would at least be some ground gained.

 

What say all of you? Should this be put into effect?

 

Honestly, I think that's a wonderful idea. I do understand there would be some big downsides to going directly to an 'ask or don't use' policy. Really, the fact that you guys were willing to sit down and think this through is a wonderful thing, and thank you SO much for all your effort.

 

If you wouldn't mind keeping me updated through my e-mail, I would really appreciate it. Perhaps tell me how it goes? :)

 

My e-mail is [email protected], or if you wish to catch me on a messanger, Cubi Star is my AIM name.

 

Thank you all so much for your time and consideration.. I must go for the night, but if you wish you catch me through those other means, please do! I'll try and get back to you as soon as I possibly can. :)

 

Oh, and for future reference?

If you just ask me (e-mail me or whatever.) as far as using my artwork for cards (I doubt you would haha, but if you'd like), I will say yes. So please, just message me and show me what you make out of my artwork if you do! :)

 

I hope this will grow into a kind of peace. Thank you all so much. This is really the first step towards a more theft-free, complaint-free environment. Thanks again!

[Phantasy Dreamz]

right on dude

[JerryFreelance]

To request the art from the creator is far too much of a hassle...

 

Why?

 

A lot of the artwork you will find has been made years ago...

 

As you may or may not know, it is very easy for someone to leave a site/forum... As such, you could go for DAYS and DAYS on end without getting a response, or maybe even never.

 

Basically, you would have to wait a long time to post a card.

 

Cyber_Commander, that is incorrect. Everyone would make cards today, but not get responses for maybe lessay 3 days. The first 3 days of this rule, you won't see any cards. But after that, cards will be popping up at the same rate...

 

Now, back to what I was saying...

 

Basically, we would then have to use different art, yes?

 

But then, the quality of artwork would go down SEVERELY... And also, what if you don't get the consent you desire to make a card using an image? A lot of images would be excruciating.

 

I don't mind saying the creator's name, but this "ask the artist" rule is just blasphemy. The art is on the internet, right?

 

People print off artwork all the time for school projects. Don't tell me that it's different because it's not... That's as much stealing as what we are doing.

 

I'm sure you can argue my "art is on the net" point saying stuff like "you see a 20 dollar bill on the floor of a store next to the cash register... It doesn't mean you pick it up" or something like that... But the point is, if you go to school [which by your grammar I would expect that you don't...], then I hope that each time you are doing a project and you use a picture, that you write down the name of the artist. You'll probably have to cite it as well, but that's a bit different...

 

Any questions? Post or PM...

 

An argument would be fun.

[Junk Raver]

After conversing extensively with one of the DA Members on MSN' date=' I have decided that to simply asking members to request art from its owner would be too much to ask. The process of giving credit where credit is do will have to start small and work its way to the goal presented by the DA Radicals. We need to work this problem out in a long-term solution.

 

As the Official Custom Cards Moderator now that TotalObelisk is inactive, I can create new rules regarding the section that must be followed unless YCMaker chooses to revoke them. That’s why I propose the following:

 

We start with a simple disclaimer in main post on threads that members that states that we do not own the artwork. Something along the lines of: “I do not own the artworks to these cards. I only use them as a means to increase the overall quality and effect of my work. I do not claim ownership of them”. Of course, each member would have their own rendition of the disclaimer.

 

Next would come sighting some of their work, either on he post or on the cards. An example is this card I made for a DA Members who is also a friend of mine:

[spoiler=Example']

 

I have clearly labeled “Art © Fleasan”, as that is what my friend prefers to be called online.

 

Finally would come the movement of having to ask to use the artwork of the artist. This is the largest and most difficult change the forum would need to make, and it is far from ready to make it. I do not want to take this step until it becomes clear that it is absolutely required.

 

To summerize:

Step 1: Start Disclaimers

Step 2: Cite Art

Step 3: Request Art

 

This would all happen over a long period of time. The transition would be slow, but it would at least be some ground gained.

 

What say all of you? Should this be put into effect?

 

Honestly, I think that's a wonderful idea. I do understand there would be some big downsides to going directly to an 'ask or don't use' policy. Really, the fact that you guys were willing to sit down and think this through is a wonderful thing, and thank you SO much for all your effort.

 

If you wouldn't mind keeping me updated through my e-mail, I would really appreciate it. Perhaps tell me how it goes? :)

 

My e-mail is [email protected], or if you wish to catch me on a messanger, Cubi Star is my AIM name.

 

Thank you all so much for your time and consideration.. I must go for the night, but if you wish you catch me through those other means, please do! I'll try and get back to you as soon as I possibly can. :)

 

Oh, and for future reference?

If you just ask me (e-mail me or whatever.) as far as using my artwork for cards (I doubt you would haha, but if you'd like), I will say yes. So please, just message me and show me what you make out of my artwork if you do! :)

 

I hope this will grow into a kind of peace. Thank you all so much. This is really the first step towards a more theft-free, complaint-free environment. Thanks again!

 

 

 

I sat down today and thought to myself;

 

'This Cubistar might just be the person to finally settle the DA Radical situation'

 

and indeed, i am technically correct ^_^

 

 

 

I promote Kaze's Idea ^_^

 

I shall now add a Disclaimer to all threads i make and cards i post

 

And have found a genius way of crediting artists, which i shall start from next week onwards

 

 

Finally

 

The forum will be at peace ^_^

[rholowie]

I also promote Kaze's idea and will do the same as DJ, starting with my next card.

 

But what about continued sets? My Alphabet is not even half way completed, which means some art will be credited and some will not...

[Junk Raver]

I also promote Kaze's idea and will do the same as DJ' date=' starting with my next card.

 

But what about continued sets? My Alphabet is not even half way completed, which means some art will be credited and some will not...

[/quote']

 

 

I want to know about that also, as my Rave set is complete but has not been posted.

[Cubistar]

Oh wow, I didn't think this would really make as big of an effect! <3 You guys have no idea how thankful I am that ANY steps were taken, not to mention the ones that are being enforced for the time being.

 

If this is revoked, I suppose things happen, but I do hope that it stays in effect. And I guess for those of you who have unfinished sets and perhaps can't remember the artists, maybe this time a 'this isn't my image, but someone elses' would suffice.

 

Oh jeese.. thank you so much. I'm glad I could make the least bit of difference. It made me incredibly happy, and I'm sorry if this is too much of an problem for some people.

 

Oh man... <3 Thank you all so much.

 

*has been practically wiggling in her seat since she's read all of this <3*

[Killey]

I have my own Deviant Art account and I do post my own artwork up there. I don't really care if someone uses my artwork without my permission or doesn't give me any credit for the artwork. When you post your work on the internet you take responsibility that there are people out there who will use your artwork without your permission. I understand where people are coming from but I don't see any point in getting upset over it. Personally, I have 1321902190 other things to worry about then having people use my artwork for cards or for some other purpose. Take it as a complement that someone out there enjoys your artwork enough to do something with it.

 

Regarding the new system of doing things I think the easiest things to do is just have a typical disclaimer at the beginning of a post and post a link of where you got the artwork from. When it comes down to requesting permission to use artwork, I say make the cards with the artwork and e-mail the artist letting them know what you are doing. If the have a problem with you using their artwork remove your card and find something else to use.

[Junk Raver]

Oh wow' date=' I didn't think this would really make as big of an effect! <3 You guys have no idea how thankful I am that ANY steps were taken, not to mention the ones that are being enforced for the time being.

 

If this is revoked, I suppose things happen, but I do hope that it stays in effect. And I guess for those of you who have unfinished sets and perhaps can't remember the artists, maybe this time a 'this isn't my image, but someone elses' would suffice.

 

Oh jeese.. thank you so much. I'm glad I could make the least bit of difference. It made me incredibly happy, and I'm sorry if this is too much of an problem for some people.

 

Oh man... <3 Thank you all so much.

 

*has been practically wiggling in her seat since she's read all of this <3*

[/quote']

 

 

 

Your most welcome ^_^

 

There maybe a little favour you could do for us now though.

 

 

Please, if you can, try to contact the people on DA who are raging over the issue and are constantly invading and flaming our site.

 

Also, a notice on the DA forums was put up under 'community' - 'rips', if you could comment on it to tell them the situation is going to be better now, it would be helpful.

 

i know some of the members on DA that we call the DA Radicals, as they flame us alot

 

Ayas-shadow

Chevi

engelszorn

 

 

^_^

[Tiberas]

Hey guys, this is the DA member that harassed God Kaze on MSN :P

 

Don't worry, I'm not here to flame anyone, I just thought I'd answer some questions regarding the usage of other people's art.

 

First of all, yea I totally understand people not wanting to wait forever to get a response...especially if it turns out to be a "NO WAY MAN".

 

Being a graphic designer of sorts, I use people's art all the time. If it's something I'm doing myself for a non-profit thing, I usually would e-mail/pm or something to ask permission...then I'd go do it anyways :P If they tell me I can't use it, I won't. That's how it works legally and I personally don't want to get into a situation where I am at risk of paying something for imposing on someone's rights.

 

That said, I also know that there are MANY pictures on the internet where they've been reposted so many times it's impossible to know who exactly made those pictures. If that's the case, a simple disclaimer would be fine. If you DO know the original artist's name though, please be courteous and put a simple "Art by ____" like God Kaze has done. It's not very hard and it may seem small, but it shows a tremendous amount of respect. This, coming from a DA Radical.

 

Also, not to be all 'holier-than-thou' sounding, but I would also like to clear up the whole internet thing.

 

To keep up with the times and technology, artists and musicians alike now utilize the internet for marketing, promoting themselves and such. DA is the very beginning of serious artists trying to learn to be more professional. Posting on the internet does not give anyone the freedom to take and redistribute their work without consent. To think that being on the internet makes you invulnerable to legal action isn't correct. If some artist gets really pissed off, the site itself may be dragged into legal action. Of course, it doesn't happen often at all, but you should be careful, especially if you end up dealing with better known artists :P

 

And yea, it's hard to control the usage of stuff on the internet, but to prevent further flaming by pissed off artists on this site, I highly suggest you all listen to God Kaze and really just be more respectful and courteous towards the artists who put effort into their art. A simple recognition goes a long way.

 

If anyone has any further questions, feel free to ask me as well :) And sorry if I came off as a jerk, but I think what I said is useful information. It's basically what I ranted to Kaze about XD

[Kocrow17]

Oh wow' date=' I didn't think this would really make as big of an effect! <3 You guys have no idea how thankful I am that ANY steps were taken, not to mention the ones that are being enforced for the time being.

 

If this is revoked, I suppose things happen, but I do hope that it stays in effect. And I guess for those of you who have unfinished sets and perhaps can't remember the artists, maybe this time a 'this isn't my image, but someone elses' would suffice.

 

Oh jeese.. thank you so much. I'm glad I could make the least bit of difference. It made me incredibly happy, and I'm sorry if this is too much of an problem for some people.

 

Oh man... <3 Thank you all so much.

 

*has been practically wiggling in her seat since she's read all of this <3*

[/quote']

lol, no problem. Like most sites, it depends which members you talk to that really have an affect on you and what you're trying to do. A lot of members here are very understanding. I'm glad you're so pleased with the results^^.

[Junk Raver]

Hey guys' date=' this is the DA member that harassed God Kaze on MSN :P

 

Don't worry, I'm not here to flame anyone, I just thought I'd answer some questions regarding the usage of other people's art.

 

First of all, yea I totally understand people not wanting to wait forever to get a response...especially if it turns out to be a "NO WAY MAN".

 

Being a graphic designer of sorts, I use people's art all the time. If it's something I'm doing myself for a non-profit thing, I usually would e-mail/pm or something to ask permission...then I'd go do it anyways :P If they tell me I can't use it, I won't. That's how it works legally and I personally don't want to get into a situation where I am at risk of paying something for imposing on someone's rights.

 

That said, I also know that there are MANY pictures on the internet where they've been reposted so many times it's impossible to know who exactly made those pictures. If that's the case, a simple disclaimer would be fine. If you DO know the original artist's name though, please be courteous and put a simple "Art by ____" like God Kaze has done. It's not very hard and it may seem small, but it shows a tremendous amount of respect. This, coming from a DA Radical.

 

Also, not to be all 'holier-than-thou' sounding, but I would also like to clear up the whole internet thing.

 

To keep up with the times and technology, artists and musicians alike now utilize the internet for marketing, promoting themselves and such. DA is the very beginning of serious artists trying to learn to be more professional. Posting on the internet does not give anyone the freedom to take and redistribute their work without consent. To think that being on the internet makes you invulnerable to legal action isn't correct. If some artist gets really pissed off, the site itself may be dragged into legal action. Of course, it doesn't happen often at all, but you should be careful, especially if you end up dealing with better known artists :P

 

And yea, it's hard to control the usage of stuff on the internet, but to prevent further flaming by pissed off artists on this site, I highly suggest you all listen to God Kaze and really just be more respectful and courteous towards the artists who put effort into their art. A simple recognition goes a long way.

 

If anyone has any further questions, feel free to ask me as well :) And sorry if I came off as a jerk, but I think what I said is useful information. It's basically what I ranted to Kaze about XD

[/quote']

 

Nah you sound fine, and i agree with all the points said.

 

If possible, can you check out my previous post in this thread, and see if you can as well, if you know who they are, inform the DA Radicals that the situation is been sorted ^_^

[RiffMaster Alex]

Thank you for not being snobby or anything. I just hope the site doesn't get taken down! :(

[Parting Shot]

well, i think you two guys from DA are being really understanding and nice about all this.

 

i, for one, will be (and am) a big supporter of kaze's idea. from now on i will credit the author and at least try to ask for their permission.

[Cubistar]

Sure, I'll try and make a note. :) It's the least I could do ^__^

[Cubistar]

Thank you for not being snobby or anything. I just hope the site doesn't get taken down! :(

 

Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it.. even though I did report the board, half the time the major companies wont even listen :P And if it does get taken down, then rebuild on the new standards, so it wont happen again <3

[Cubistar]

By the way, guys. I made a statement in the 'yu-gi-oh card rip' thread on deviantart.

 

If they ignore it, they ignore it. But I hope they'll just let it drop.

 

I do advise that, to keep the peace though, if an artist specifically requests themselves (not someone else, but -THE- artist him/herself) to have the art taken down, the safest thing is to simple oblige.

 

I hope that it wont turn into too big of a hastle...