Sander Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 [i]It's not OP, c'mon. Judgement Dragon, Demise King of Armaggedon. This card just banishes instead and has good drawbacks.[/i] We're not saying the whole card is overpowered. We're saying that THE FIRST EFFECT is broken. Learn to see the differences. And do you know what the difference is between banishing and destroying? Banishing hurts more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidDJ11 Posted September 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 cyborg@ ya i meant for the rest of the duel. is that bad? @Power, what if i make it destroy? or is that too much like black rose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimmepie Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 [quote name='LiquidDJ11' timestamp='1317066853' post='5542325'] cyborg@ ya i meant for the rest of the duel. is that bad? @Power, what if i make it destroy? or is that too much like black rose? [/quote] Yeah that is pretty bad, sorry for answering for cyborg. Is Return from a different dimension still legal? Are there similar cards? Otherwise it's slightly less of a big deal than people imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyborg360 Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 [quote name='LiquidDJ11' timestamp='1317066853' post='5542325'] cyborg@ ya i meant for the rest of the duel. is that bad? [/quote] No, it's ok. ^^ More drawbacks for a good effect, seems ok. @ Power Play So, it has an overpowered 1st effect. lol Many cards out there have overpowered effects, but the rest effects even underpower it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidDJ11 Posted September 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 i like what cyborg said. how bout if i put this card as a lvl 8 with 2 or more non tuners. then i could remove some of the drawbacks, and maybe fix the OP'd effect? EDIT: oh okay cyborg, the problem is im getting conflicting opinions. IS IT OP'D OR NOT DAMNIT! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimmepie Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 [quote name='Cyborg360' timestamp='1317067128' post='5542344'] No, it's ok. ^^ More drawbacks for a good effect, seems ok. @ Power Play So, it has an overpowered 1st effect. lol Many cards out there have overpowered effects, but the rest effects even underpower it! [/quote] I don't really see why it shouldn't attack on later turns (just my opinion) but other than that I definitely agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 It's already been said, the first effect, THE FIRST FREAKING EFFECT (seriously, learn to comprehend posts) is the broken effect here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyborg360 Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 [quote name='LiquidDJ11' timestamp='1317067197' post='5542349'] 1)i like what cyborg said. how bout if i put this card as a lvl 8 with 2 or more non tuners. then i could remove some of the drawbacks, and maybe fix the OP'd effect? EDIT: oh okay cyborg, the problem is im getting conflicting opinions. IS IT OP'D OR NOT DAMNIT! lol [/quote] 1) Nah... Level 8 2 non-tuners? Meh... 2) lol. Well, IMO it's balanced, now of course, people think differently. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimmepie Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 [quote name='Power Play' timestamp='1317067350' post='5542357'] It's already been said, the first effect, THE FIRST FREAKING EFFECT (seriously, learn to comprehend posts) is the broken effect here. [/quote] That is your opinion... the rest of us don't see a problem with it. @Liquid I still think it should be aloud to attack later otherwise it becomes dead weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 [quote name='gimmepie' timestamp='1317067645' post='5542367'] That is your opinion... the rest of us don't see a problem with it. [/quote] The rest of you are complete morons when it comes to YuGiOh, so your opinions do not matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidDJ11 Posted September 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 well, i tend to agree with more higher level members. so i will take your word for it. i will edit. sorry guys, but id rather not argue forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyborg360 Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 [quote name='gimmepie' timestamp='1317067645' post='5542367'] @Liquid I still think it should be aloud to attack later otherwise it becomes dead weight. [/quote] It wouldn't be dead weight if it had a better second effect. Now, you might be right about it. Still if some people say it's overpowered even like that, then changing it would only make it worse. [quote name='Power Play' timestamp='1317067721' post='5542370'] The rest of you are complete morons when it comes to YuGiOh. Screw your opinions. [/quote] LOL. just LOL. Screw yours. EDIT: sure LiquidDJ11. Make it as you wish, the card is yours. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimmepie Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 [quote name='Cyborg360' timestamp='1317067921' post='5542374'] EDIT: sure LiquidDJ11. Make it as you wish, the card is yours. ^^ [/quote] Most sensible thing I've heard on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 Broken like hell. Broke. What on earth possessed you to make this? Literally, I don't care about the second or third effect. Second is useless and unnecessary and the third won't ever happen. Ever. The point is that THE FIRST EFFECT IS BLACK ROSE DRAGON BUT ON STEROIDS. THERE IS A REASON WHY EVERY SINGLE NUKE CARD HAS BEEN ON THE DAMN BANLIST. CHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON HAS BEEN BANNED FOREVER. JUDGMENT DRAGON HAS BEEN ON THE BANLIST FOR MOST OF ITS LIFE. DEMISE HAS BEEN ON THE BANLIST. BLACK ROSE HAS BEEN ON THE BANLIST. You get what I mean. Don't make cards that will obviously go on the banlist. Just make a balanced card. Listen to Power Play. Ever heard of an OTK? Yeah, I don't want some crazy OTK loop because of this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 [i]LOL. just LOL. Screw yours.[/i] What an amazing comeback, I applaud you. But anyways, you argued that the card itself wasn't overpowered. I argued that the first effect is the main problem with the card, since it gives the player summoning it too much advantage. I did not say that the card itself was broken, just the first effect. But obviously you do not understand how field nukes IN GENERIC SYNCHRO MONSTER FORM, are bad (even if the rest of the card is bad). But in this case, it wasn't that. The card is basically => Summon it => Banish all monsters on field => 2600 ATK beatstick protecting you. The last effect didn't make the first effect any less broken anyways, since you're only going to use this card when you already know you're going to win, aka pushing for game. So yeah. EDIT: Pretty much what Cursed (Ninja) Reaction says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 [quote]But obviously you do not understand how field nukes IN GENERIC SYNCHRO MONSTER FORM, are bad (even if the rest of the card is bad).[/quote] [/thread] Best way of saying it is, if you're playing Lightsworns, you can effectively play: 3 Judgment Dragon 3 Black Rose Dragon 3 This Nu, uh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidDJ11 Posted September 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 kk, i will edit soon. EDIT: done. completely reworked (again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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