Resident Fascist Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 [quote name='Some idiot on DN Forums'] [center][color=blue]Notsureifserious.jpg Raven is garbage in competitive DW,seriously... Monsters to not run in DW: Raven Morphing jar goldd sillva latinum celri reign beaux rigorous reaver Spells not to run in DW : Dragged down into the grave traps not to run in DW: The viruses,for the sake of the much needed consistency.[/color][/center] [center]His next post read...[/center] [center][color=blue]Raven: to synchro with this you need to have goldd or sillva in hand,both are garbage to the max,and the beiige combo with it is inconsistent in an already inconsistent deck. Morphing jar: Easily read in a DW build and can gives your opponent a hand refill just like that,good luck with that in a format filled with bosses. goldd sillva: only use is to put out expendable 141 beatsticks with no use,if you bounce them with grapha then that's a discard outlet wasted on something a beiige couldve done for free. Latinum: needs no explanation. Celri: leads only to -1 or +0s for you since : Used a discard outlet (-1) to discard him (-1) Used him to discard sillva(-1) used sillva to set your opponent back two cards(+2) -3 exchanged for a +2,that's a -1 for you just to make a flashy combo,not to mention the opp got a lvl 1 monster for synchro. Reign beaux: dead most of the time unless you run the card that minuses you on a whim,and even then it'll be hard to get both in hand to do the combo. Rigourus reaver: Slow. Even if you discarded a grapha you got a -2 to give a -2 to your opp,neutral advantage,bad. Dragged down into the grave: Needs strong hand setup to get your opponent to discard the right cards from your hand,and even then your opponent can just discard the least useful card to you since it's HIS choice on the discard,not to mention if you try to set all your S/T you risk getting heavy stormed into a massive plus. The viruses: Unless you open grapha,which is hard to do in an inconsistent mess such as DW,it'll be dead most of the time,no matter how many you run it's gonna end up with it being dead more often than not,making them not worth it.[/color][/center] [center]My head hurts [/quote][/center] [left]Discuss fabled raven. If you don't know what it does, google it.[/left] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Replying on it with my never used DN account, because ARGH MY EYES. lololol at Dark Worlds being inconsistent, by the way. With Scarr becoming popular, this and Beiige are probably exceedingly consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 [quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1320088953' post='5609510'] Replying on it with my never used DN account, because ARGH MY EYES. lololol at Dark Worlds being inconsistent, by the way. With Scarr becoming popular, this and Beiige are probably exceedingly consistent. [/quote] I know, My eyes are hurting so hard I feel like crying because of much fail was contained into one post... Rigorous reaver in DWs? THE f***!? Oh, he posted again: [quote] [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111020044511/yugioh/images/thumb/6/67/Scarr%2CScoutofDarkWorldSDGU-EN-C-1E.jpg/300px-Scarr%2CScoutofDarkWorldSDGU-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img] Also too slow and easy to remove in a format with BLS,dark hole,hyperion and stuff everywhere waiting to pop what might be a ryko out of paranoia or a jar out of fear of giving a DW advantage. [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111020044512/yugioh/images/thumb/a/a6/Snoww%2CUnlightofDarkWorldSDGU-EN-SR-1E.jpg/300px-Snoww%2CUnlightofDarkWorldSDGU-EN-SR-1E.jpg[/img] Valid point,but hard to pull off if you dont have a discard outlet.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 You ALWAYS run Rigorous Reaver in EVERY deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1320089252' post='5609521'] You ALWAYS run Rigorous Reaver in EVERY deck. [/quote] no then u might hav to discard ur good card like magic cylinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Or Sakuretsu Armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 He's somewhat correct on almost every card. Except Raven and Dragged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Morphing Jar is unnecessary in DWs. I'll give him that. And Goldd/Silvva are terrible. He's wrong on Raven and Dragged Down. But at the rest of his post? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 I actually beat a Dark World deck because his Morphing Jar discarded only 1 DW (I had Dolkka), and refreshed my hand enough to defend a turn and push for game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1320103368' post='5609972'] I actually beat a Dark World deck because his Morphing Jar discarded only 1 DW (I had Dolkka), and refreshed my hand enough to defend a turn and push for game. [/quote] My point exactly. But the DN user in question is still bad. Although, hes right on the monsters not to use, except Raven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Fabled Raven is the key to using synchros in Dark Worlds, its almost a staple. Its not necessary but it greatly increases consistency, even at one copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 [quote name='TheTurtleOnceCalledGod' timestamp='1320105766' post='5610033'] Fabled Raven is the key to using synchros in Dark Worlds, its almost a staple. Its not necessary but it greatly increases consistency, even at one copy. [/quote] But blast it, I can't afford it in my £100 Build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I've tested Raven A LOT, and came to the conclusion it's best ran at 2. That's all I've got to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 [quote name='Darkplant - FEAR' timestamp='1320143760' post='5610570'] I've tested Raven A LOT, and came to the conclusion it's best ran at 2. That's all I've got to say. [/quote] Yea, it's best at 2. He is a gate target tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I personally never liked using Raven. It's possible I'm just incompetent with it, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1320159610' post='5610760'] I personally never liked using Raven. It's possible I'm just incompetent with it, though. [/quote] I guess it's personal preference, but calling the card garbage without any explaination to back up your argument is stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 It definitely is stupid. I acknowledge that Raven WORKS in DW. It's a card I fear when facing the deck, not because of Highlander plays or other Synchro Summons, but because it helps the deck explode. It might not be the ultimate and necessary card in the deck, but it's a good card for the deck. The trick is moderation. My first instinct used to be to trigger as many DW effects as possible, but that was wasteful both to card advantage and for the longer game, as then I'd be short on discard fodder for stuff like Gates, etc. Raven doesn't replenish your cards the way Gates and DWD/Dragged does, so the plusses you'd normal get from DW is lessened and may even up barely breaking even, if at all. Plus most decent DW players who run Raven end up discarding maybe 1 or 2 cards, and usually it includes a Grapha or a Goldd/Sillva/Beiige to further field presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1320162180' post='5610815'] It definitely is stupid. I acknowledge that Raven WORKS in DW. It's a card I fear when facing the deck, not because of Highlander plays or other Synchro Summons, but because it helps the deck explode. It might not be the ultimate and necessary card in the deck, but it's a good card for the deck. The trick is moderation. My first instinct used to be to trigger as many DW effects as possible, but that was wasteful both to card advantage and for the longer game, as then I'd be short on discard fodder for stuff like Gates, etc. Raven doesn't replenish your cards the way Gates and DWD/Dragged does, so the plusses you'd normal get from DW is lessened and may even up barely breaking even, if at all. Plus most decent DW players who run Raven end up discarding maybe 1 or 2 cards, and usually it includes a Grapha or a Goldd/Sillva/Beiige to further field presence. [/quote] Discard Grapha and Beiige for a free lv.8 synch and card destruction, pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 or a Rank 4 Xyz, if that's your goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 [quote name='Shard' timestamp='1320161815' post='5610812'] I guess it's personal preference, but calling the card garbage without any explaination to back up your argument is stupid. [/quote] Just gonna say, he never said it was garbage. He just said he didn't like using it. Like how I prefer 3 MST to 2 MST and a Heavy. I know Heavy's good, I just don't like using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 [quote name='Twilight Sparkle' timestamp='1320162377' post='5610819'] Just gonna say, he never said it was garbage. He just said he didn't like using it. Like how I prefer 3 MST to 2 MST and a Heavy. I know Heavy's good, I just don't like using it. [/quote] He wasn't referring to me, but the OP quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 [quote name='Twilight Sparkle' timestamp='1320162377' post='5610819'] Just gonna say, he never said it was garbage. He just said he didn't like using it. Like how I prefer 3 MST to 2 MST and a Heavy. I know Heavy's good, I just don't like using it. [/quote] [quote][color=blue]Raven is garbage in competitive DW,seriously...[/color][/quote] anyway, it seems DN can't play DW, they're all like "Herpderp drop drains cause it negs tour guide and raven herpderp" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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