Βyakuya Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 [img]http://yugico.com/customcard/1394.jpg[/img] [i]After you activate this card: Banish all other copies of "After Glow" from your hand or Deck and place this card at the bottom of your Deck. During your Standby Phase, if you do not control "After Glow" in your hand: Take 2000 points of damage. During your Draw Phase, if you draw "After Glow": You win the duel.[/i] [b]R.I.P Aporia[/b] Discuss this card and the chances of pulling this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 eh, not exactly a fan of instant win cards it's the reason why I never liked Victory Dragon, although that was for matches overall the 2000 burn probably isn't even much compared to if you do control an After Glow maybe make that burn higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted November 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 So how much would be a good fixed amount? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 given that you instantly win the duel at the end I'd say you have to make the burn at least 3500 or higher to yourself unless you have a better number in mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted November 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 I'm thinking it would be best at 3000 or 4000. 4000 seems nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 it's fine with me I didn't say it had to be EXACTLY 3500 you want to change it to 4000, I'll accept that modification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 This will never be printed. Why? The Exodia Gimmick allows you to cut your deck to 0 in a turn if it goes off right. Then you activate this, and boom - you just won. There's no "balancing" this card, it will forever remain the broken card it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted November 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 [quote name='Darkplant - FEAR' timestamp='1321153368' post='5636568'] This will never be printed. Why? The Exodia Gimmick allows you to cut your deck to 0 in a turn if it goes off right. Then you activate this, and boom - you just won. There's no "balancing" this card, it will forever remain the broken card it is. [/quote] Constructive Criticism as ever Darkplant? The OCG said specifically when drawn in the Draw Phase you win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 tell us something then: how likely you think it will get drawn in the draw phase very quickly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iGrowlithe Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Just throw that card onto the bottom and play that continuous spell that makes both decks play upside down. Game~! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 well that's one of the really fast ways if that's the case you might as well shuffle this into the deck so that the strategy you just said won't work, Apex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystalfeet Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 I think that card Apex wanted to mention was this [img]http://www.tradecardsonline.com/img/cards/YuGiOh/591/DB2-EN193.jpg[/img] As long as this card remains face-up on the field, both players must turn their respective Decks upside down and proceed with the current Duel. [font="verdana, arial, sans-serif"][color="#000000"]I was thinking the same thing so it actually works unless your opponent causes you to draw that card prematurely.[/color][/font] [font="verdana, arial, sans-serif"][color="#000000"]Unlikely not many people do that! So you got what 97% chance of winning with say 2 cards. Nice i like it it's a challenge to beat.[/color][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 [quote name='Light Υagami' timestamp='1321153901' post='5636593'] Constructive Criticism as ever Darkplant? The OCG said specifically when drawn in the Draw Phase you win. [/quote] What do you not understand? Step 1. Use Exodia gimmick to draw through your deck till it becomes 0 cards Step 2. Activate this Step 3. Place it on the bottom aka top of the deck. Step 4. When it's your opponent's turn, use Threatening Roar/Waboku/Swift Scarecrow/whatever that protects you. Step 5. Next turn, you win. It's way better than Exodia in how they don't clog the hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 > Convulsion of Nature. Instant win. Yeah, great card design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 That too. How about just adding it and shuffling, it makes no real difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 [quote name='Darkplant - FEAR' timestamp='1321183753' post='5637079'] That too. How about just adding it and shuffling, it makes no real difference. [/quote] You could still go Prime Material Dragon + Gold Sarco. Best way to balance this is just to make the 4000 damage into "Pay 4000 Life Points" instead. That way, you cannot abuse it at all really. And you'll lose, but that's the only way of balancing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Because apparently Gold Sarc allows you to draw in the Draw Phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 [quote name='Darkplant - FEAR' timestamp='1321184917' post='5637092'] Because apparently Gold Sarc allows you to draw in the Draw Phase. [/quote] Plaguespreader, A Feather of a Phoenix etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 ...I dun get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 [quote name='Darkplant - FEAR' timestamp='1321185461' post='5637102'] ...I dun get it [/quote] > Gold Sarco > Add this to hand > Plaguespreader this to top of Deck > Profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Doesn't work, I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 [quote name='Darkplant - FEAR' timestamp='1321185602' post='5637104'] Doesn't work, I think [/quote] Just realised it has to be A Feather of the Phoenix actually. Not PvZ. It's either gonna be broken or really retardedly bad. No insta-win cards ever come out good. Exodia was horribly designed. Final Countdown promotes awful stall. Destiny Board is impossible. Any others I've missed are so bad, I can't remember. Still, Convulsion is the best way to use this. Otherwise, it's just mill your entire deck then use A Feather of the Phoenix to stick this on the top of your Deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Vennominaga. But that effect is nonexistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted November 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Yeah the Plaguespreader idea works. If people will continue arguing over how to insta-win with this card, then this card fails then. I admit it. But it's still cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 look as long as you don't make it apply to matches like Victory Dragon then I guess you can argue that it's ok I think that was the reason why they had to ban Victory Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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