Valkyrus Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 [img]http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb278/mario1092/imonsol.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 probably won't get above the 3000 atk mark, so that's fine I'm betting this will be much better used for fiend support since they're more versatile with regards to the last effect however I'm thinking that should only be limited to once per turn, not as many as you want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted November 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1322200986' post='5664198'] probably won't get above the 3000 atk mark, so that's fine I'm betting this will be much better used for fiend support since they're more versatile with regards to the last effect however I'm thinking that should only be limited to once per turn, not as many as you want [/quote] Since once you detach a material, this would become quite more vulnerable, I believe it doesn't really need to be once per turn, since you can only have that many Fiends or Insects in your hand, which you'd either use to Special Summon or protect your monster with, it wouldn't really be easy to spam both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I'm curious though, you really think this would be popular for insects, or would most people only see the fiend side for usage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted November 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 [quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1322201633' post='5664212'] I'm curious though, you really think this would be popular for insects, or would most people only see the fiend side for usage? [/quote] Well, I originally wanted to make it insect-only but they don't currently have enough good support I believe, so I made it both Insect and Fiend. I'm not sure how much this would help either, but I think it was appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therrion Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 [center]I think the smallest "If this card would be removed from the field [b]by your opponent's card[/b], you can discard...."[/center] [center]Otherwise, pretty good card.[/center] [center]This card would be good in Inzecter, seeing how Verdant overfloods their hand. Though getting this card out would be tricky in a Fiend OR Insect deck.[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted November 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 [quote name='Gagaga Girl' timestamp='1322209244' post='5664296'] [center]I think the smallest "If this card would be removed from the field [b]by your opponent's card[/b], you can discard...."[/center] [center]Otherwise, pretty good card.[/center] [center]This card would be good in Inzecter, seeing how Verdant overfloods their hand. Though getting this card out would be tricky in a Fiend OR Insect deck.[/center] [/quote] Why only by my opponent's card? I wouldn't gain much by killing him myself, except if I don't want to lose hand advantage on purpose.. I guess I could nuke the field yet save him like this but I don't think that's too big of an advantage. Once you use its material once he'd be at only 1500 ATK (usually). I'm not sure about Inzecters though, do they usually easily spam level 8's? I meant it to be used in more various decks, so that's why I added the Fiend Support as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therrion Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 [center]True, I misread the first sentence, it is fine the way it is actually. Probably wouldn't be used at all.[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted November 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 well, Resonators would work well with this, since they can easily take out level 8's and they're all(I believe) Fiend-Type monsters with 1300 and less ATK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therrion Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 [center]Their Level 8's would be Synchros, so thats generally 4 Monsters for 1 3000atk monster with a swarm effect. Even if you had the Resonators in hand ( like 3 ) the best you could do is Summon 3 of the same level and Xyz... then 2 RDA/SDD/etc. just made a Rank 3 and a 1500 monster...[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted November 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 [quote name='Gagaga Girl' timestamp='1322213025' post='5664339'] [center]Their Level 8's would be Synchros, so thats generally 4 Monsters for 1 3000atk monster with a swarm effect. Even if you had the Resonators in hand ( like 3 ) the best you could do is Summon 3 of the same level and Xyz... then 2 RDA/SDD/etc. just made a Rank 3 and a 1500 monster...[/center] [/quote] Well, if by some chance RDA would backfire on you with its effect and you have another level 8 on the field, you could save yourself with this. Also, if you summon this, detach RDA, SS a bunch of Resonators from your hand, then Monster Reborn RDA, you got Red Nova Dragon. Also, you burn your opponent in the process by at least 1600 LP. I guess the burn is mneh, but what's important is, I just found some sort of use for this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgrug4 Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I agree with GGGG But my problem with this card is how hard it is to summon it. You dont just pop out 2 level 8 monsters xD And yes, make the eff once per turn. OR else it'd be infinite Xyz loop... It'd be worth the effort, i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted November 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 [quote name='sgrug4' timestamp='1322232495' post='5664438'] I agree with GGGG But my problem with this card is how hard it is to summon it. You dont just pop out 2 level 8 monsters xD And yes, make the eff once per turn. OR else it'd be infinite Xyz loop... It'd be worth the effort, i guess. [/quote] Actually level 8s are quite common and easy to summon (RDA, Stardust, Scrap Dragon, Kristya, BEWD, BLSEotB, etc) As for the infinite loop....what? There's no loop here at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgrug4 Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 [quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1322233979' post='5664470'] Actually level 8s are quite common and easy to summon (RDA, Stardust, Scrap Dragon, Kristya, BEWD, BLSEotB, etc) As for the infinite loop....what? There's no loop here at all. [/quote] As MUCH fiend + insects? Let's say you have 4. They are all 3 stars. or 4 stars. XYZ much? And i would definitly NOT risk my stardust AND other better synchro monsters for 1 xyz. It's not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted November 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 [quote name='sgrug4' timestamp='1322234989' post='5664488'] As MUCH fiend + insects? Let's say you have 4. They are all 3 stars. or 4 stars. XYZ much? And i would definitly NOT risk my stardust AND other better synchro monsters for 1 xyz. It's not worth it. [/quote] ..Xyz into 1 more monster because of this effect isn't a loop. And it definitely isn't an infinite one. Also, you would prefer this over a Synchro because if you don't use its effect you actually have a (usually) 3000 ATK beater that is indestructible while you have Fiends/Insects in your hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgrug4 Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 After 1 use of the eff, down to 1500. While BLS, or RDA is 3000 forever. And no. You can have 2 level 4 or level 3 XYZ monsters depending on how many insects or fiends are in your hand. And then you have effects that add cards to your hand. Therefore, if you dont make the effect "once per turn", there WILL be a loop. Trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allme247 Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 why dont you make it rank 3 and have 1000 atk per xyz material? it would probably ne used morethat way necause ot would be easier to get out.*be, not ne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Card is bad. Nobody is going to go for an Rank 8 Xyz if it's not going to win them the duel. Seriously, take Thunder-End Dragon for example, if it wouldn't require Normal Monsters for the Xyz Summon, it's popularity would increase amongst the players since it could give them a win. This however doesn't win you the duel, because it requires you to have at least 2 or more Fiend-Type monsters in your hand, and at the time, the only good deck that runs Fiends is Dark World (which could actually Summon this), but anybody who runs good DWs wouldn't run this, because it's just too slow for them. So yeah, card isn't bad, but it's just not worth to be ran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted November 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 [quote name='sgrug4' timestamp='1322237070' post='5664523'] After 1 use of the eff, down to 1500. While BLS, or RDA is 3000 forever. And no. You can have 2 level 4 or level 3 XYZ monsters depending on how many insects or fiends are in your hand. And then you have effects that add cards to your hand. Therefore, if you dont make the effect "once per turn", there WILL be a loop. Trust me. [/quote] sure, if you give me a specific example of this loop I'll trust you. Until then, meeh. [quote name='Æther Royce' timestamp='1322255383' post='5665173'] Card is bad. Nobody is going to go for an Rank 8 Xyz if it's not going to win them the duel. Seriously, take Thunder-End Dragon for example, if it wouldn't require Normal Monsters for the Xyz Summon, it's popularity would increase amongst the players since it could give them a win. This however doesn't win you the duel, because it requires you to have at least 2 or more Fiend-Type monsters in your hand, and at the time, the only good deck that runs Fiends is Dark World (which could actually Summon this), but anybody who runs good DWs wouldn't run this, because it's just too slow for them. So yeah, card isn't bad, but it's just not worth to be ran. [/quote] I just said if you don't use the effect, you have a 3000 ATK beater that cannot be destroyed by either BLS, RDA, Scrap dragon etc as long as you have Fiends/Insects in your hand. And I'm pretty sure a monster like that is pretty useful. And games could be ended easily with this. Clear the field while this is there with all materials attached, then use its effect to swarm the field and deal (for example) 1500 (insectile) + 3x1500(ss'ed monsters) + 2400 burn Damage = game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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