Therrion Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 [center][img]http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4505/salvatorinferni.jpg[/img] [spoiler=Lore]2 Level 3 non-DARK monsters When this card is Xyz Summoned, banish 1 Level 4 or lower monster in your graveyard. Once per turn, you can detach 1 Xyz material from this card; pick up cards from the top of your deck until youpick up a card with the same Level as the banished card, reveal it, and add it to your hand. Shuffle the remaining cards back into your Deck. When this card is destroyed and sent to the graveyard, you can Special Summon the monster banished by this card.[/spoiler][/center] [center]Rate, hate, commentate.[/center] [center]No dipstick comments like "Cool" or "Bad". If you think lowly of it, supply sufficent reason orelse YOUR the bad one, not the card.[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Well, there are a couple of problems with this. 1, you should say "pick up" cards from the top of your deck, and reveal only the monster to add to your hand. Also, you never said what happens to those cards; do they go to the Graveyard? Back to your Deck? Your hand? If they go anywhere else other than back to the Deck, this would be reeeeaaally broken. The picture is also bad, it's squeezed in as it's not the right size and that always bothers me. The ATK and DEF are also too high for an almost generic Rank 3 with 2 materials, just look at all other Rank 3's and see if their combined ATK and DEF ever go higher than 4400, with the exception of Acid Golem, which has an obvious drawback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therrion Posted November 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 [center]Most decks look down on Rank 3 Summoning w/o Tour Guide, thus making the card less splashable. Good point on stats, I meant to put 1000ATK, not 2000ATK. Also, reveal is what PoD uses, so I just decided to say reveal, but I guess your right. Yes, they do indeed return to deck and the deck is shuffled. Using the term "Reveal" made me inference people would know they returned to deck (as they usually do unless specified otherwise).[/center] [center]My apologies, I will update it.[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrus Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 [quote name='Gagaga Girl' timestamp='1322211297' post='5664318'] [center]Most decks look down on Rank 3 Summoning w/o Tour Guide, thus making the card less splashable. Good point on stats, I meant to put 1000ATK, not 2000ATK. Also, reveal is what PoD uses, so I just decided to say reveal, but I guess your right. Yes, they do indeed return to deck and the deck is shuffled. Using the term "Reveal" made me inference people would know they returned to deck (as they usually do unless specified otherwise).[/center] [center]My apologies, I will update it.[/center] [/quote] well, Wind-Ups could easily spam this. Although they already spam their own Xyz's far too much.. I forgot to say as for the effect, I believe it to be a bit underpowered, since it relies on your Graveyard, and it just adds a card to your hand, which you're not even sure would be the card you need (while Lavalval Chain does a similar job with no drawbacks, although slower). ALTHOUGH, if you summon this, then add Tour Guide to your hand by its effect, NS Tour Guide, get another one, Xyz into Leviair, then SS your banished level 4, it'd be sorta neat. Anyways, I like the changes, now it's more clear, and the ATK is more reasonable for a Rank 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therrion Posted November 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 [center]Yeh, I made this knowing Wind-Up would still prefer Zenmaighty lol[/center] [center]The banished monster will be Summoned eventually anyways, no reason to Leviair it, unless its needed that badly. Banishing Sangan would be neat.[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarok1945 Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 well it's good for the picking ups at least by that point you'll only get ONE card to your hand but it's not a milling your own deck either, which should work since otherwise you may mill TOO many shame the banished card though has to be lv4 or lower, would have been nicer if you gave it more flexibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therrion Posted November 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 [center]I thought about it, but I wanted to include that it SS's the banished monster upon death. So, Xyz Summoning, then +'s from its material AND getting a stronger monster when it dies would be a bit much.[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireFox_Masaki Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 [quote name='Gagaga Girl' timestamp='1322271239' post='5665883'] [center]I thought about it, but I wanted to include that it SS's the banished monster upon death. So, Xyz Summoning, then +'s from its material AND getting a stronger monster when it dies would be a bit much.[/center] [/quote] actually thats exactly what i was thinking this card would be good for...this card would probably be kick ass in a synchro deck....cuz then u could banish maybe one of your tuners...and most tuners are 3 or lower and so then you could use its effect to get more level 3 or lower monsters in your hand...and then like i mentioned in ure other xyz post u could equip ring of magnetism lose 500 attack and then your opponent has to attck this monster...once destroyed just aply the minamal damage or use a trap like waboku or defense draw might be even better given u could reduce damage to 0 and THEN draw a card.....SS that level 3 0r lower tuner back to the field NS one of those other monsters i had drew by this cards effect...you got ure self a BA synchro summon right there........more of it lets say you have red dragon archfiend.....well you could use this card to banish one level 2 tuner...then withthis cards effect you could possibly draw another level 2 tuner...plus with the ring of mag they have to attack this card plus defense draw reduce damage and draw one card to increase ure chance of getting that level 2 you need once all is settled and all goes well you can SS the lv 2 tuner NS the other lvl 2 tuner from your hand then BadAss synchro summon rednova dragon..once hes on the field hes pretty much untouchable..plus he already has 500 atk bonus for each of those tuners making him already 5500.......LIKE A BOSS I LOVE THIS CARD I WANT IT instant 10/10hehe man i got carried away with that one but i hope tht puts some insight to the potential this card posseses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh My Anubis! Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 It's pretty decent now that you have updated it, but I think you should change the picture to something less sweet looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireFox_Masaki Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 [quote name='Oh My Anubis!' timestamp='1322329165' post='5667012'] It's pretty decent now that you have updated it, but I think you should change the picture to something less sweet looking. [/quote]hey whoa hold up...its always the sweet innocent loking ones who end up being the destruction of your opponent and plus i happen to like the pic for many reasons....its just suiting to this card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 [quote name='Oh My Anubis!' timestamp='1322329165' post='5667012'] It's pretty decent now that you have updated it, but I think you should change the picture to something less sweet looking. [/quote] I know you're new here and all, but do you reckon that you could comment on more than just the picture please sweetheart? This card is actually pretty underpowered right now. You need to buff the ATK stat to make it even worthwhile in Summoning. The thing is that Rai-Oh is very commonly used this format, since it shuts down Duality and stuff like that, and as such would shut this down in a heartbeat. I can see that you tried to balance this out, but the thing is that this will never be balanced unless you severely buff it OR you change the materials to generic stuff. Nice try at making something non-generic though, seeing as how it's just a lot easier to make something which is generic and be done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireFox_Masaki Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 [quote name='-Tsubaki-' timestamp='1322329680' post='5667035'] I know you're new here and all, but do you reckon that you could comment on more than just the picture please sweetheart? This card is actually pretty underpowered right now. You need to buff the ATK stat to make it even worthwhile in Summoning. The thing is that Rai-Oh is very commonly used this format, since it shuts down Duality and stuff like that, and as such would shut this down in a heartbeat. I can see that you tried to balance this out, but the thing is that this will never be balanced unless you severely buff it OR you change the materials to generic stuff. Nice try at making something non-generic though, seeing as how it's just a lot easier to make something which is generic and be done with it. [/quote]umm im sorry constructive criticism but underpowered????...didnt you read my ultimate sycnchro combo with this up above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 [quote name='All_That_Is_Man' timestamp='1322336243' post='5667341'] umm im sorry constructive criticism but underpowered????...didnt you read my ultimate sycnchro combo with this up above? [/quote] The card is underpowered. I do not know where you got the idea that your so called "ultimate" combo would actually make this non-generic Xyz any better, but here's the thing: IT WONT. Your so called combo requires you to use Ring of Magnetism, RING OF MAGNETISM! Any good player wouldn't be caught dead using that piece of useless cardboard. But really, the card is underpowered, but I can kinda see what deck you were trying to support with this (or maybe I'm just reading into this too much, who the hell cares?). By the looks of it, you were trying to make a Xyz to support the RFG Psychics, no? Because really, this cards effect is kinda familiar to their playing style (Hushed Psychic Cleric for example), But as Tsubaki said, card is underpowered at the moment as it being non-generic makes this card pretty much obsolete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireFox_Masaki Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 not towards the physics directly but just towards tuners in general like i think in my opinion anyway in the right hands and the right deck this card would be hella beneficial if i do say so myself...you gotta look past the card ya know what i mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 [quote name='All_That_Is_Man' timestamp='1322338996' post='5667497'] not towards the physics directly but just towards tuners in general like i think in my opinion anyway in the right hands and the right deck this card would be hella beneficial if i do say so myself...you gotta look past the card ya know what i mean [/quote] Tell me, did I forward the question to you or to Gagaga Girl? And no, at this current state, this card will not be "hella beneficial" because of its non-Generic summoning conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireFox_Masaki Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 whats wrong with the summoning conditions....its just 2 non dark monster...nothing wrong with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 [quote name='All_That_Is_Man' timestamp='1322339529' post='5667516'] whats wrong with the summoning conditions....its just 2 non dark monster...nothing wrong with that [/quote] Name any non-Dark Level 3 monsters that are ran in the competitive gameplay of YGO. Go on, I'll wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 [quote name='Æther Royce' timestamp='1322339682' post='5667519'] Name any non-Dark Level 3 monsters that are ran in the competitive gameplay of YGO. Go on, I'll wait. [/quote] Venus is one of these cards which you seem too have forgotten, Xander ol' boy. Dandylion and Lonefire are also some of the cards you seem to have forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireFox_Masaki Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 how do you want it list form? paragraph?...or what?...cuz ill do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 [quote name='-Tsubaki-' timestamp='1322339788' post='5667522'] Venus is one of these cards which you seem too have forgotten, Xander ol' boy. [/quote] Yeah, I know. But still, other than Venus, would this really see any gameplay? It requiring non-DARKS means that most decks will not run it. Tour Guide and whatnot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireFox_Masaki Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 torpedo fish...woodland sprite....morphing jar...giant soldier of stone...4-star ladybug of doom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 [quote name='All_That_Is_Man' timestamp='1322340014' post='5667534'] torpedo fish...woodland sprite....morphing jar...giant soldier of stone...4-star ladybug of doom [/quote] COMPETITIVE YGO gamplay. =| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireFox_Masaki Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 does it really matter bro...just give it up alright...just because you wouldnt use this card doesnt mean i wont...cuz id be the first one to use this...i believe shield wing is three stars and u have to attack it three times to destroy leaving me a good chance to get them both out then xyz summon this to get my tuneres out using its effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 [quote name='All_That_Is_Man' timestamp='1322340328' post='5667550'] does it really matter bro...just give it up alright...just because you wouldnt use this card doesnt mean i wont...cuz id be the first one to use this...i believe shield wing is three stars and u have to attack it three times to destroy leaving me a good chance to get them both out then xyz summon this to get my tuneres out using its effect [/quote] I wouldn't care if you would be the first one to use this card or freaking marry this card. What I was saying is that in COMPETITIVE YGO gameplay, this wouldn't really see that much of an use (I'd rather leave Venus for Trish fodder), because it's non-generic conditions and it's rather slow effect. So what I was doing was criticizing it in the perspective of YGO meta. And FYI, Shield Wing is Level 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireFox_Masaki Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 ok well i was thinking off the top of my head but fortress warrior is and and hes same efffect only one less attack....so i could use him...and if me and you were in a competitive YGO gameplay sir......i would murder you.....and id use this card to do it just to prove my pointor shoot is he lvl 3?ughh now i have to check[list] [*]nope no its not....oh well ill just use second booster or dash warrior....and if need be any of the others and swords of revealing light as to protect them from harm so i could xyz summon this card [*]theres a card cant think of name atm but u get a lvl 4 or lower warrioir form deck to hand..then theres one where it does from graveyard to hand.....use that to bring those cards to my hand then just use swords or something..summon them both xyz this card and there you go [/list] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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